Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol don't tell me youre going to reference that time when he "outran a bullet" to a target and blocked it.According to that, hes at least supersonic. Yep, I definitely know nothing of that captain america. Lol, you guys are lunatics btw.
We were talking about high end feats and the out-running bullets is far higher than running at 60mph, sounds to me like your trying to label everything higher than Batman level as "PIS".
Originally posted by namorsubby
Yes, supersonic speed, immortality, and a wolverine level hf apparently.lol
He has enhanced longevity, a heightened resistance/immunity to foreign substances such as drugs and poisons, superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, etc., an accelerated healing factor (wouldn't go as far as Wolverine, though), "sees faster than bullets", etc.
His array of abilities are quite documented and would fall under "powers", considering he's significantly above human.
No....ripping out his chest and living....pis. Running at superspeedster level...pis. Immotality....just false.
You would have me believe these conclusions are false? Because this is all I have disputed.
Honestly if you wanna take into account both characters highend/pis/whatever, batman wins. He has more consistent pis than anyone....even cap.
Originally posted by namorsubby
No....ripping out his chest and living....pis. Running at superspeedster level...pis. Immotality....just false.You would have me believe these conclusions are false? Because this is all I have disputed.
Honestly if you wanna take into account both charactera highend/pis/whatever, batman wins. He has more consistent pis than anyone....even cap.
Real life humans have survived being literally ripped open to a degree. Not sure how it's PIS that Cap, who's significantly beyond even Olympian level athletes (as in Olympian in all aspects, not just one) would survive that. Cap's been portrayed as superhuman since his inception; Brubaker just really pushed that line more so.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He has enhanced longevity, a heightened resistance/immunity to foreign substances such as drugs and poisons, superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, etc., an accelerated healing factor (wouldn't go as far as Wolverine, though), "sees faster than bullets", etc.His array of abilities are quite documented and would fall under "powers", considering he's significantly above human.
Bruce had all those abilities according to feats without the classification of metahuman. Even perhaps longevity(as he just doesn't age if writers dont wish it so)
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Real life humans have survived being literally ripped open to a degree. Not sure how it's PIS that Cap, who's significantly beyond even Olympian level athletes (as in Olympian in all aspects, not just one) would survive that. Cap's been portrayed as superhuman since his inception; Brubaker just really pushed that line more so.
Brubaker or whoever just took it further than ever before in a few instances.
Originally posted by ODG
Cap basically carved out a piece of his own chest to expel Zola. And this was after he had the living crap kicked out of him by Zola's gamma-irradiated SSS mutant hordes, Jet (Zola's daughter) and Zola himself:I still don't understand how he didn't just outright die from this:
Lol, holy shit. So the superhuman Steve Rogers trend remains.
Rage....one instance of extreme endurance/healing doesn't equate to a new level of power. Also, cap has always been peak human/low level meta according to feats. The lines between those two have always been blurry given the fact that "peak humans" always seem to pull of superhuman feats. Bruce falls into the same category
Originally posted by Silent Master
Subby:Not if I label all Batman+ feats as PIS, if I do that then Batman is just as strong/fast/agile/durable etc etc as Captain America.
I disputed those few instances because they dont line up. I already admitted cap may have a slight edge physically according to the norm. You lack the ability to debate and always resort to your own special brand of baiting.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Bruce had all those abilities according to feats without the classification of metahuman. Even perhaps longevity(as he just doesn't age if writers dont wish it so)Brubaker or whoever just took it further than ever before in a few instances.
Plenty of characters don't age or age very slowly on the whim of writers. Most of it is due to the sliding time scale of comics. It doesn't get to be passed off as an ability of a character. In Steve's case, it's been directly referenced that the serum's properties (which have explictly enhanced him beyond the limits of humans and have pushed him as the next step of human evolution) will retard his aging. It's also what kept him alive in the ice in suspended animation and makes him no sell foreign substances.
Brubaker (who also wrote plenty of Batman related stories as well) pushed throughout his entire Cap run that Cap was definitively and unarguably superhuman. Bucky Barnes is what I'd consider to be "peak human" given his feats. And Cap is quantified as being at least three times faster and stronger than him (barring his robotic arm). Sure, Bruce has high end feats, but on average, the physicality between them is noticeable at the least and significant at the most.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Rage....one instance of extreme endurance/healing doesn't equate to a new level of power. Also, cap has always been peak human/low level meta according to feats. The lines between those two have always been blurry given the fact that "peak humans" always seem to pull of superhuman feats. Bruce falls into the same category
It's certainly an impressive feat in his current ongoing, but it's not so out of the norm for Cap. In Avengers, Cap's body survived being sent through a handful of buildings. He's also survived standing in a nuclear furnace.
He's always healed faster than normal people and his damage soak has always been pretty high end. Still, said feat was pretty great.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's certainly an impressive feat in his current ongoing, but it's not so out of the norm for Cap. In Avengers, Cap's body survived being sent through a handful of buildings. He's also survived standing in a nuclear furnace.He's always healed faster than normal people and his damage soak has always been pretty high end. Still, said feat was pretty great.
Subby:Those feats are above Batman level, so they're PIS
Bruce has survived things humans cant. Poison, explosions, blunt force truama, blows from superhumans etc etc. how many buildings/walls has bruce been thrown through? hes shown inhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, etc routinely. Does anyone disagree with this assertion?
If not, then whats the problem? Feats dont count unless you have the classification to back them?
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Many non-enhanced characters have impressive super feats like Daredevil and Batman. But Cap looks even more impressive then them. Hence why he is the next step in human evolution.
Don't forget some of the feats BP has as well.
I have ( EVERY) CA, DD, BP, and BM comics ever made. I've studied the characters and in terms of fighting skill I would say Cap, Bat's , and DD are all almost piers. IMO, from what I've seen , Cap is just on another level physically compared to these guy's with Panther coming in a close 2nd.
So, in skill I would say Cap=Bat's > DD> BP ....
Physically , Cap> BP> DD> BM
Again just my opinion.
