Originally posted by Dizzle
Basically, that's what I said. Cap is stronger by a smidge, Batman is a better fighter, but to no great degree. His feats, and his training, and the fact that he DOES know everything that Cap knows and more, AND the people he fights, just put him up a notch.How many fights, in comics or out, no matter how well paired, have you seen that last for 10 hours? NONE. Stamina will play absolutely no role whatsoever, as Batman can go for as long as he needs to; the fight will not drag on long enough for him to get tired. I'm not saying that he can last as long as Cap, but I AM saying that it won't matter.
Im part of my college's boxing team, and believe me when i say that stamina makes a LOT of difference. even a single drop of fatigue could make you move slower by milliseconds... but in the fight game, every speed per millisecond counts.
even if you're just a bit tired, the average strength of your strikes would be greatly lowered. Batman WILL fight as long as he needs to, but he won't be fighting on a full tank for long. every second that passes would mean less strength and speed left due to lactic acids burning down your muscles.
Capt a doesn't have these acids, which means he gets to breath easier as he fights, which means he still gets to be sharper than batman as seconds and minutes progress.
Originally posted by FrothByte
[BCapt a doesn't have these acids, which means he gets to breath easier as he fights, which means he still gets to be sharper than batman as seconds and minutes progress. [/B]
Fight wont last long, within 3 - 5 minutes the fight will be over,
Batman with the win 6/10
why?
3 reasons:
Fighting skill - Speed - Intellegence is far superior to CA.
not to metion his Batsuit gives him phenomenal protection
Originally posted by FrothByte
Im part of my college's boxing team, and believe me when i say that stamina makes a LOT of difference. even a single drop of fatigue could make you move slower by milliseconds... but in the fight game, every speed per millisecond counts.even if you're just a bit tired, the average strength of your strikes would be greatly lowered. Batman WILL fight as long as he needs to, but he won't be fighting on a full tank for long. every second that passes would mean less strength and speed left due to lactic acids burning down your muscles.
Capt a doesn't have these acids, which means he gets to breath easier as he fights, which means he still gets to be sharper than batman as seconds and minutes progress.
That's the thing though... He DOESN'T slow down. He's proven several times that he can go for long stretches. He fought for 10 hours and was still up and ready to go. He probably SHOULD slow down a little, and I do mean a little, but will such a small difference matter all that much? Until I see something really impressive, I'm never going to say that Cap is really as skilled as Batman, though he is very good. Batman has proven through his history and his feats that he should be more proficient than Cap. IMO, his speed feats outdo those of Cap by a small margin as well. Pile that with the suit against Cap's superior strength and stamina, and I really cannot see a clear cut winner. It's a pure tossup, the two are perfectly matched.
5/10 each.
Originally posted by Dizzlecaps a bullet timer.....
That's the thing though... He DOESN'T slow down. He's proven several times that he can go for long stretches. He fought for 10 hours and was still up and ready to go. He probably SHOULD slow down a little, and I do mean a little, but will such a small difference matter all that much? Until I see something really impressive, I'm never going to say that Cap is really as skilled as Batman, though he is very good. Batman has proven through his history and his feats that he should be more proficient than Cap. IMO, his speed feats outdo those of Cap by a small margin as well. Pile that with the suit against Cap's superior strength and stamina, and I really cannot see a clear cut winner. It's a pure tossup, the two are perfectly matched.5/10 each.
Originally posted by Dizzlecome on now, catching crossbow bolts is the oldest damn trick in the book man.......thats equally lame,.....but a little bit off topic....if this was Ultimate Cap...batman would lose 10/10 for sure.
F***in everyone's a bullet timer. I've actually seen Batman effectively "do the Matrix", to be cliche... He weaves gunfire all the time, pretty much any self respecting street leveler does. Dodging bullets is still NOT catching crossbow bolts.
Originally posted by King KAM
come on now, catching crossbow bolts is the oldest damn trick in the book man.......thats equally lame,.....but a little bit off topic....if this was Ultimate Cap...batman would lose 10/10 for sure.
Yeah... Because A: Ultimate Cap NEVER loses. and B: He's WAY stronger and faster and such than 616 Cap. So it's a bit of a moot point.
Originally posted by King KAMHe's losing 10/10 regardless of what Cap it is. Ultimate Cap would beat Batman 10 times in less than ten minutes though. I've seen Batman get shot a few times also. He wears that suit for a reason, he's not Spider-Man. Seeing as though both are skilled and don't wanna get hit, there will be a good deal of blocking & ducking in this fight. Stamina will likely be a factor in this fight. Because they are nearly equal physically, the winner will be the guy who can hold out for the longest. That's not Batman. After a while, Batman's going to start to tire. Even if it's just a very tiny bit, it's over for him. Batman's caught a few things, that's great. It does absolutely nothing to prove he's faster than Cap and we all know that. Until I see some real proof,(not just catching things that we don't know whether Cap could catch them or not)
come on now, catching crossbow bolts is the oldest damn trick in the book man.......thats equally lame,.....but a little bit off topic....if this was Ultimate Cap...batman would lose 10/10 for sure.
Originally posted by brainchild81
He's losing 10/10 regardless of what Cap it is. Ultimate Cap would beat Batman 10 times in less than ten minutes though. I've seen Batman get shot a few times also. He wears that suit for a reason, he's not Spider-Man. Seeing as though both are skilled and don't wanna get hit, there will be a good deal of blocking & ducking in this fight. Stamina will likely be a factor in this fight. Because they are nearly equal physically, the winner will be the guy who can hold out for the longest. That's not Batman. After a while, Batman's going to start to tire. Even if it's just a very tiny bit, it's over for him. Batman's caught a few things, that's great. It does absolutely nothing to prove he's faster than Cap and we all know that. Until I see some real proof,(not just catching things that we don't know whether Cap could catch them or not)
I'm just gonna believe what cold, hard, logic tells me, that Cap has every physical advantage on Batman because of the serum. I'm not surprised the guys arguing in favor of a draw are trying to make it seem like Batman's faster. He simply doesn't have too much going for him. It doesn't seem fair for Cap to have all these advantages when Batman's worked so damn hard for what he's got. Guess what folks, it's not fair, because of the serum. Batman will get his a$$ kicked every time he dares fight Cap with no weapons. Who were Batman and Supes fighting in that pic?
Wait let me see if I understand this...
Batman has many feats that display his incredible speed.
Cap doens't have no where near as many nor non as impressive.
Yet you think they are even or Cap is faster?
Explain this.
Originally posted by brainchild81
He's losing 10/10 regardless of what Cap it is. Ultimate Cap would beat Batman 10 times in less than ten minutes though. I've seen Batman get shot a few times also. He wears that suit for a reason, he's not Spider-Man. Seeing as though both are skilled and don't wanna get hit, there will be a good deal of blocking & ducking in this fight. Stamina will likely be a factor in this fight. Because they are nearly equal physically, the winner will be the guy who can hold out for the longest. That's not Batman. After a while, Batman's going to start to tire. Even if it's just a very tiny bit, it's over for him. Batman's caught a few things, that's great. It does absolutely nothing to prove he's faster than Cap and we all know that. Until I see some real proof,(not just catching things that we don't know whether Cap could catch them or not)
I'm just gonna believe what cold, hard, logic tells me, that Cap has every physical advantage on Batman because of the serum. I'm not surprised the guys arguing in favor of a draw are trying to make it seem like Batman's faster. He simply doesn't have too much going for him. It doesn't seem fair for Cap to have all these advantages when Batman's worked so damn hard for what he's got. Guess what folks, it's not fair, because of the serum. Batman will get his a$$ kicked every time he dares fight Cap with no weapons. Who were Batman and Supes fighting in that pic?
Again, that's insanely biased. When it's this close, the tiniest of factors could throw the fight either way. If either slip up once, they lose. Batman tires faster, but how can you say it'll play a role? Will they be going back without major hits for 10 HOURS? Hell, will it go on for 2 minutes without a good hit or two? Hell no. For your much vaunted logic, that makes no sense at all. NO fight goes on that long, both are much too skilled for the other to take no hits whatsoever.
See, you've reverted back to your original tactic, though it's basically been proven wrong. Physically equal means nothing about how long the fight will go. Until you hit guys like Juggernaut, they're simply not tough enough to fight for that amount of time. It's not feasible, and Batman HAS proven that his stamina is good enough to last him through 3 of these fights in a row. Endurance will mean NOTHING as repeated blows will take someone down before actual exhaustion.
Batman's caught crossbow bolts from short range. BIG difference from just anything. Crossbow bolts travel about 1/4 the speed of a bullet, depending on the type of both. Keep in mind, he isn't just dodging it. He caught 3 of them, fired in rapid succession, while Priest was charging him. SOUND is about the same speed as a bullet, the ratio is pretty close to the same. That's VERY fast. You can't assume that Cap could catch it... He's never been shown to do anything near that fast, until YOU prove that he can.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml (bullet speed: 370 mps-460mps... a bit faster than mach 1)
http://www.crossbow.com/more-to-arrows.htm (crossbow: 345 fps= 105 mps)
Alright, now that we're done with speed, we get back to the even slightly more biased "every physical aspect whatsoever". YOU believe that Cap is physically superior in all aspects, but are you just telling that to yourself? You have yet to prove that Cap is faster, you have yet to prove that Cap is more durable. Hell, you have yet to prove anything except that you love Captain America. Batman's martial arts feats and history are both more well documented and more impressive than Cap's, the edge clearly goes to Batman there.
So all in all... Batman has every advantage that counts. He's faster, he's way more skilled, he's loads smarter, his suit is way the heck stronger, Cap can't hurt him, much less beat him. BATMAN 10/10!!!!
... Kidding. Unthinking bias is annoying though, isn't it? 5/10 each, neither has a real advantage over the other.
This is a great thread. It seems to be somewhat equal in votes. Lots of captain America fans and lots of Batman fans.
I still go for Batman in this fight for the many reasons I have given before.
In some previous threads, there was one asking "who would win between Batman vs Superman", and it was pretty even in voting as well. Yes, Superman is way stronger and faster, but Batman's ingenuity, and skills, and knowledge left it an equal fight in a lot of people's eyes.
Now, if the question was Captain America vs Superman, IMO no one would pick Cap to win this fight. I can't picture anyway Cap would win.
Batman is different, and for this I give him the edge in a fight vs Cap. Way too many fight skills, plus regardless of Cap's excellent physical conditioning, Batman ain't no slouch either. 😛