Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Dizzle
Again, that's insanely biased. When it's this close, the tiniest of factors could throw the fight either way. If either slip up once, they lose. Batman tires faster, but how can you say it'll play a role? Will they be going back without major hits for 10 HOURS? Hell, will it go on for 2 minutes without a good hit or two? Hell no. For your much vaunted logic, that makes no sense at all. NO fight goes on that long, both are much too skilled for the other to take no hits whatsoever.

See, you've reverted back to your original tactic, though it's basically been proven wrong. Physically equal means nothing about how long the fight will go. Until you hit guys like Juggernaut, they're simply not tough enough to fight for that amount of time. It's not feasible, and Batman HAS proven that his stamina is good enough to last him through 3 of these fights in a row. Endurance will mean NOTHING as repeated blows will take someone down before actual exhaustion.

Batman's caught crossbow bolts from short range. BIG difference from just anything. Crossbow bolts travel about 1/4 the speed of a bullet, depending on the type of both. Keep in mind, he isn't just dodging it. He caught 3 of them, fired in rapid succession, while Priest was charging him. SOUND is about the same speed as a bullet, the ratio is pretty close to the same. That's VERY fast. You can't assume that Cap could catch it... He's never been shown to do anything near that fast, until YOU prove that he can.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml (bullet speed: 370 mps-460mps... a bit faster than mach 1)

http://www.crossbow.com/more-to-arrows.htm (crossbow: 345 fps= 105 mps)

Alright, now that we're done with speed, we get back to the even slightly more biased "every physical aspect whatsoever". YOU believe that Cap is physically superior in all aspects, but are you just telling that to yourself? You have yet to prove that Cap is faster, you have yet to prove that Cap is more durable. Hell, you have yet to prove anything except that you love Captain America. Batman's martial arts feats and history are both more well documented and more impressive than Cap's, the edge clearly goes to Batman there.

So all in all... Batman has every advantage that counts. He's faster, he's way more skilled, he's loads smarter, his suit is way the heck stronger, Cap can't hurt him, much less beat him. BATMAN 10/10!!!!

... Kidding. Unthinking bias is annoying though, isn't it? 5/10 each, neither has a real advantage over the other.

Click here when you get a chance guys. Old school I AM logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got Spock ears MFers!!!!!

Originally posted by joesha28
Ult Cap has a attitube problem but not as good fighting skills.

Originally posted by King KAM
i thought so too, ultimate cap doesnt show AS good of hands, even though he is still the most bad ass h2h fighter, but he does show more speed,strength,durablitity, and dare i say it....even agility.

Originally posted by xkalybr
This is a great thread. It seems to be somewhat equal in votes. Lots of captain America fans and lots of Batman fans.

I still go for Batman in this fight for the many reasons I have given before.

In some previous threads, there was one asking "who would win between Batman vs Superman", and it was pretty even in voting as well. Yes, Superman is way stronger and faster, but Batman's ingenuity, and skills, and knowledge left it an equal fight in a lot of people's eyes.

Now, if the question was Captain America vs Superman, IMO no one would pick Cap to win this fight. I can't picture anyway Cap would win.

Originally posted by King KAM
i thought so too, ultimate cap doesnt show AS good of hands, even though he is still the most bad ass h2h fighter, but he does show more speed,strength,durablitity, and dare i say it....even agility.

Enjoy
1. http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=3834

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Enjoy
1. http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=3834

Originally posted by King KAM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! dude, cap should not be THAT strong, i LOVE it!

I thought you would like it 😗

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I thought you would like it 😗

There's another trailer @ the official site.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Now you're making me laugh. Assumptions crack me up. I've got news for you dizz. I like Batman a tad bit more than I do Cap. I've only recently started liking Cap around the time I started reading Ultimates. I used to hate him. I got a little more into detail about this in the "Supes is the worst character ever thread" I own more Batman books than Cap ones. In fact, I don't have any Captain America books. The only time I see Cap is in other people's books or team titles(Spidey's an avenger now). I might not like the idea that he hangs around w/lames like AM and Supes, but I'm a Batfan. I try to put liking a character aside when I do these things. Spidey's my favorite character by far. Supes is my least favorite. They fight, Supes wins and does it with ease. Spidey's still the better character. You've shown some impressive feats and nothing more. Maybe you don't know this, but there is a such thing as defense in a fight. You know, blocking and evading attacks these two won't be leaving themselves open much now will they? You can't really be sure it's going to quick anymore than I can be sure it's going to be a long drawn out battle. (like Batman thought in JLA/Avengers) I hope that wasn't cannon, but I remember Whirly or somebody saying DC is using events from that storyline. Hopefully it was just more of Whirly's Marvel bashing. He was really happy about Supes beating Thor. You may not know this, but back in the days boxing and (real)wrestling matches went on literally for hours. Google it. Real fights between peers last long quite often. Most short fights are when one fighter is leagues better than the other. The more even the matchup, the longer it lasts. That's logical. But you're right though, anytime anyone thinks Batman can lose, it's only because of their bias for the other guy 🙄 You've already admited to posting feats of PIS also.

That isn't even an argument.

Dizzle has posted feats to show Bats Speed, fighting skills and stamina.

What have you posted to show that Cap is superior?

I came into this thread belive that Cap would win but no I have changed my mind.

You may not know this, but back in the days boxing and (real)wrestling matches went on literally for hours. Google it. Real fights between peers last long quite often. Most short fights are when one fighter is leagues better than the other. The more even the matchup, the longer it lasts. That's logical.

Unless you're talking about World Wide Wrestling Federation, a fight for the belt between [Superstar] and [Superstar].
lololol.

More agility/striking power feats: Dodging his his own Batarang after Bulleye throws it at him, then knocks Bulleye so hard, - well read what Bullseye says.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Now you're making me laugh. Assumptions crack me up. I've got news for you dizz. I like Batman a tad bit more than I do Cap. I've only recently started liking Cap around the time I started reading Ultimates. I used to hate him. I got a little more into detail about this in the "Supes is the worst character ever thread" I own more Batman books than Cap ones. In fact, I don't have any Captain America books. The only time I see Cap is in other people's books or team titles(Spidey's an avenger now). I might not like the idea that he hangs around w/lames like AM and Supes, but I'm a Batfan. I try to put liking a character aside when I do these things. Spidey's my favorite character by far. Supes is my least favorite. They fight, Supes wins and does it with ease. Spidey's still the better character. You've shown some impressive feats and nothing more. Maybe you don't know this, but there is a such thing as defense in a fight. You know, blocking and evading attacks these two won't be leaving themselves open much now will they? You can't really be sure it's going to quick anymore than I can be sure it's going to be a long drawn out battle. (like Batman thought in JLA/Avengers) I hope that wasn't cannon, but I remember Whirly or somebody saying DC is using events from that storyline. Hopefully it was just more of Whirly's Marvel bashing. He was really happy about Supes beating Thor. You may not know this, but back in the days boxing and (real)wrestling matches went on literally for hours. Google it. Real fights between peers last long quite often. Most short fights are when one fighter is leagues better than the other. The more even the matchup, the longer it lasts. That's logical. But you're right though, anytime anyone thinks Batman can lose, it's only because of their bias for the other guy 🙄 You've already admited to posting feats of PIS also.

Ok... You like Batman. Doesn't mean you can't be biased, consciously or not. Ok, I've shown some good feats. You have... Ignored them, without posting anything in return.

Ultimately, offense always beats defense. Fast. The two WON'T go on for a long time, it's just not how fighting works. As stated, a UFC or Pride fight going on for more than 10 minutes would be obscene. JLA/Avengers is still not canon. But the "fight" between Batman and Cap, which lasted a minute, tops, wasn't even a real fight. It was each testing the other's skills, nothing more.

I admitted that the Aquaman fight had a bit of PIS, only because Aquaman didn't use his speed... Batman still took the hits, Batman still hit hard enough to put Aquaman down. That was cool, it supports his skill, strength, and the durability of his suit. He shouldn't beat Aquaman when Aquaman uses all of his powers, but he still DID overcome strength and durability disadvantages.

And because I don't feel like double posting... From your own link.
"One wrestler would eventually take the other down and work for twenty, thirty minutes or longer trying to slap on his finishing hold. The man on the bottom spent his time trying to fend off the submission holds and avoid being turned to his back for a true pin."

They lasted for a long time, yes, but they weren't "real fights". They weren't faked, but the rules prevent one person from quickly pinning another. There are no such rules here. Everything goes; striking, grappling, rochambeau, whatever. When rules get looser, offense gets easier, defense gets harder, and fights get a hell of a lot shorter. This thing will be done in under 20 minutes, every time. Stamina won't mean crap.

Again, you make claims that Cap is better in every possible physical aspect. I've posted scans to show that Batman is just as good. Prove me wrong, or stop trying to force your diluted logic on me. 10/10 to ANYONE implies a massive curbstomp. Saying so in a fight this close shows an extreme amount of bias. Batman 5/10. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
More agility/striking power feats: Dodging his his own Batarang after Bulleye throws it at him, then knocks Bulleye so hard, - well read what Bullseye says.

Non canon, terribly done crossover. You can show scans of Wolverine beating Lobo and Wonderwoman losing to Storm from the same book. It's not a good place to find evidence. Bullseye doesn't miss that easily.

Thanks for pointing that out. Marvel Vs DC was a popularity contest and nothing more

Originally posted by Warmonger
That isn't even an argument.

Dizzle has posted feats to show Bats Speed, fighting skills and stamina.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Ok... You like Batman. Doesn't mean you can't be biased, consciously or not. Ok, I've shown some good feats. You have... Ignored them, without posting anything in return.

Ultimately, offense always beats defense. Fast. The two WON'T go on for a long time, it's just not how fighting works. As stated, a UFC or Pride fight going on for more than 10 minutes would be obscene. JLA/Avengers is still not canon. But the "fight" between Batman and Cap, which lasted a minute, tops, wasn't even a real fight. It was each testing the other's skills, nothing more.

I admitted that the Aquaman fight had a bit of PIS, only because Aquaman didn't use his speed... Batman still took the hits, Batman still hit hard enough to put Aquaman down. That was cool, it supports his skill, strength, and the durability of his suit. He shouldn't beat Aquaman when Aquaman uses all of his powers, but he still DID overcome strength and durability disadvantages.

And because I don't feel like double posting... From your own link.
"One wrestler would eventually take the other down and work for twenty, thirty minutes or longer trying to slap on his finishing hold. The man on the bottom spent his time trying to fend off the submission holds and avoid being turned to his back for a true pin."

They lasted for a long time, yes, but they weren't "real fights". They weren't faked, but the rules prevent one person from quickly pinning another. There are no such rules here. Everything goes; striking, grappling, rochambeau, whatever. When rules get looser, offense gets easier, defense gets harder, and fights get a hell of a lot shorter. This thing will be done in under 20 minutes, every time. Stamina won't mean crap.

Again, you make claims that Cap is better in every possible physical aspect. I've posted scans to show that Batman is just as good. Prove me wrong, or stop trying to force your diluted logic on me. 10/10 to ANYONE implies a massive curbstomp. Saying so in a fight this close shows an extreme amount of bias. Batman 5/10. 😉

Originally posted by Juntai
Not really, ever watch UFC or Pride?
All the worlds best fighters, tried and proven again and again, the real worlds mostly lethal people. A long match might last 6 minutes. An average match is more like 2.

Unless you're talking about World Wide Wrestling Federation, a fight for the belt between [Superstar] and [Superstar].
lololol.

do you guys even watch UFC?! yah sure the majority of the fights lasts for only 2-5 mins. but the evenly match UFC matches span between 20-40 mins (unless someone makes a tooo stupid mistake).

Originally posted by FrothByte
do you guys even watch UFC?! yah sure the majority of the fights lasts for only 2-5 mins. but the evenly match UFC matches span between 20-40 mins (unless someone makes a tooo stupid mistake).

Name ONE match that lasted that long.

You know what!?

You can't.

UFC is 3 rounds of 3 minutes.

That's 9 minutes total.

And these are the worlds best.
Like I said, it won't come down to Stamina.

That's because of the time limit in UFC. There is no time limit here. It probably will come down to stamina, but many don't want it to cause that's a definite victory for good ol' Cap'n A.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Thanks for pointing that out. Marvel Vs DC was a popularity contest and nothing more Never said he didn't. He's also posted stuff that he himself has admitted to be PIS, after some prodding.(Bats vs AM, Bat Vs WW, there might have been some Bats Vs Supes in there also) He's shown that Batman is fast and strong and has great stamina and martial arts skills, but it's not like I didn't know that stuff before I even came here. Fact is none of the stuff he posted, some of which was PIS/CIS, has proven that he's better than Cap or faster.

I posted the Aquaman fight, as it shows Batman's strength, skill, and durability. The only thing that was PIS was the fact that Aquaman didn't move as fast as he could have. There's nothing to indicate that he was pulling punches or being stupid though. Batman took down a stronger opponent, and took some good shots, thanks to his suit. And I SAID that.

Batman vs. Demon Wonderwoman ended in a Batman loss... He DID also get in some good shots, and DID manage to hurt her. She was fighting well below normal intelligence, as it was a demon version. Not PIS at all, except, again, that she wasn't blitzing him at mach 10.

I posted Batman cracking Supes in the face because King KAM posted Captain America beating on Thor, who was both powered down and refusing to fight back. PIS to combat PIS, I was being sarcastic, not posting a real feat. I even said so within the post.

Not true. I can just barely kick someone's ass 10/10. It doesn't mean I curbstomped 'em. It just means I'm a little bit better than they are.

No, if you truly do beat them each and every single time, it implies that they have absolutely no chance. It means you are CLEARLY the superior fighter, to the point that even landing a lucky shot or two wouldn't win it for him. You can't just "barely" scrape a win in 10 consecutive fights, not if the guy is truly a good match for you. Look at Chuck Liddel vs. Randy Cotoure, really...

Scroll down the page on that link(it's alot longer than I thought it was), there are several other real types of fights documented between peers that have lasted hours.

Again, the fights were wrestling matches, not "real" fights. They were not faked or set up, but the rules of wrestling severely limit one's offensive capabilites, meaning it's a lot easier to hold out for a lot longer. It's not a good comparison.

If this was Batman Vs a bum or Cap Vs a bum, I'd agree w/you, stamina wouldn't be a factor. Batman or Cap can take down a relative novice in mere seconds or minutes, but versus someone who is a near equal, those punches and kicks you'd have landed on the punk are now being blocked and evaded.

Do YOU watch UFC? You can't evade someone forever, not if he's going at you hard enough to actually tire himself, which is pretty much what you're banking on here. If one guy charges, the other guy is either going to get hit, or counter him and hit him instead. You can't just block and dodge everything, neither of these guys is feraking Spiderman.

I haven't ignored the scans you've made. So don't feel that way. In fact, I've paid very serious attention to them. That's how I weed out the ones that are PIS. Batman Vs AM is PIS plain and simple. Batman took blows to the face, not the suit and seemed unaffected. It's easy to over come strength and durability advantages when you got PIS behind you. I guess you think I'm biased again, but I can't stand AM and I love Bats. I realize Bats shouldn't have a chance against him though If he was as powerful back then as I've heard. Bats Vs WW is always PIS/CIS unless she beats the crap out of him easily, same w/Supes. I'll post a link to some Cap feats now. There might be some PIS in there too. That's why I always try to avoid featwars. That and me being lazy.Cap stuff

I already posted responses to all 3 of my scans in question...

And that's a very nice site. Too bad 9/10 of its scans feature "Cap with shield" doing very well against a lot of people. H2H or physical feats are pretty much all that are applicable to this thread, quit being so lazy, pick me some good ones.

I was obviously talking about real fights because I used the word "real". Please read the stuff from the link. I'm not talking about an average match. I'm talking about those between near equals

I know. All of the fights ont hat link were highly regulated, and therefore the offensive capabilities of the fighters was geatly compromised. By that I mkean that it's WAY harder to put someone down in wrestling than it is in a straight up fight, so it would naturally take longer. The link said the AVERAGE fight at that time would take more than a half hour. The longest UFC fights (championship bouts, 5 rounds) can go for a maximum of 25 minutes... And that's with breaks. Real fights don't last that long, face it.