Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Mr Master
I've been in agreement with this for a long time.

Cap is a great fighter without his shield but he's the legendary CapAmerica because of his shield, after all isn't his training based around his shield?

Batman on the other hand is a hand to hand master of all arts, his gadgets do not make him, his intelligence and wisdom make him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I've been in agreement with this for a long time.

Cap is a great fighter without his shield but he's the legendary CapAmerica because of his shield, after all isn't his training based around his shield?

Batman on the other hand is a hand to hand master of all arts, his gadgets do not make him, his intelligence and wisdom make him.

Indeed, is hard for some fans to understand that fact. There been battles in which Batman would remove his utility belt to engage in a full frontal combat with another opponent. I have yet to see Captain America remove drop his shield and fight hand to hand. All he does is go acrobatic and to avoid punches. Rarely you see him blocking with his arms.

Just because he doesn't do it doesn't mean he can't. Same with Wolverine and his fighting abilities. He doesn't use em much, doesn't mean he can't

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Indeed, is hard for some fans to understand that fact. There been battles in which Batman would remove his utility belt to engage in a full frontal combat with another opponent. I have yet to see Captain America remove drop his shield and fight hand to hand. All he does is go acrobatic and to avoid punches. Rarely you see him blocking with his arms.

Originally posted by King KAM
so then he'd just do that to bats, considering bats couldnt keep up with his agility....

Whoa,

That's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it?

They are equal in agility, you can't argue this at all.

Strength - If Cap is a 7, Bats is a 6
Durability - Cap 8, Bats 6(without suit)Bats 8(with suit)
Stamina - Cap 8, Bats 6.5
Strike Force - Cap 7, Bats 8(due to chi)
Agility - Equal
Will Power - Cap 7, Bats 9
Intelligence/Cunning/Wisdom - Cap 7, Bats 9

You do the Math...

Originally posted by King KAM
so then he'd just do that to bats, considering bats couldnt keep up with his agility....

What makes you say Bats can't keep up with Caps agility?

Where you got that from?

Originally posted by Mr Master
What makes you say Bats can't keep up with Caps agility?

Where you got that from?

Just a guess because the writers of Captain America call his speed "superhuman." And although the writers of Batman call him "peak human," they are still just words. Maybe he's a lot faster than any other human and therefore should be deemed to have "superhuman speed," but since he's human, they prefer to just classify it as peak human. They're still just words, and there's no evidence that Caps is a lot faster than Bruce, because both can dodge bullets, both can run extremely fast, and both have similar speed feats.

cap takes this one

Originally posted by diabloman
cap takes this one

How?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Whoa,

That's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it?

They are equal in agility, you can't argue this at all.

Strength - If Cap is a 7, Bats is a 6
Durability - Cap 8, Bats 6(without suit)Bats 8(with suit)
Stamina - Cap 8, Bats 6.5
Strike Force - Cap 7, Bats 8(due to chi)
Agility - Equal
Will Power - Cap 7, Bats 9
Intelligence/Cunning/Wisdom - Cap 7, Bats 9

You do the Math...

Originally posted by Mr Master
What makes you say Bats can't keep up with Caps agility?

Where you got that from?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Just a guess because the writers of Captain America call his speed "superhuman." And although the writers of Batman call him "peak human," they are still just words. Maybe he's a lot faster than any other human and therefore should be deemed to have "superhuman speed," but since he's human, they prefer to just classify it as peak human. They're still just words, and there's no evidence that Caps is a lot faster than Bruce, because both can dodge bullets, both can run extremely fast, and both have similar speed feats.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How?

Originally posted by diabloman
i think hes a better fighter.

Originally posted by King KAM
and hes more agile,quick,fast,strong,and far more durable, and has a better stamina....

Originally posted by King KAM
i cant argue that bats doesnt have virtually super-human agility??? im pretty sure i can considering, bats doesnt show to be bearly as agile, and you saying bats can hit harder is bullshit, cap has knocked everyone from namor to ironman on his ass, by sayin that batmans"chi" makes him a harder striker is BS, or he would use some "chi" on Deathstroke.bats has more will than cap??? BULLSHIT!!!!!! No-one in comics has more will than cap, and cap has been proven to be a strategic genius, you are giving things to bats that he has never shown....Captain America wins tons of battle on will alone...as a matter of fact ill post scans...and as for bats being a better strategist.....not in fighting...bats is a better scientist...but not a better strategist in fighting...they are even in their fighting minds....
show me bats speed feats.... im not going by any writers im going by what ive seen, if bats is this fast and this agile....show me.

While I agree that Cap should be taking this pure h2h fight 8/10, I do think that they are at least even in terms of strike force. I mean Batman, like Cap, has also killed a dude with one punch. You've also got to remember that Batman was also punching guys through brick walls and he even kicked down a tree with one kick. Now don't get all pissy just because I said that because I agree that Cap should be winning this fight more often than not.

Originally posted by batdude123
While I agree that Cap should be taking this pure h2h fight 8/10, I do think that they are at least even in terms of strike force. I mean Batman, like Cap, has also killed a dude with one punch. You've also got to remember that Batman was also punching guys through brick walls and he even kicked down a tree with one kick. Now don't get all pissy just because I said that because I agree that Cap should be winning this fight more often than not.

Originally posted by King KAM
im not gonna get pissy, but cap has shoulder rushed through a door that it would have taken a lazer over 2minutes to cut, he has also kicked down steel doors with one strike.....bats took his time and focused while doing all these things, cap has done all these things on the fly.

I'm just saying that if you look at their strike feats, they are basically about even. Batman also ripped a metal duct pipe out of its place which takes a lot of strength as well. The only way I see Batman winning is if he's allowed to have like a minute in order to get amped up by chi.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm just saying that if you look at their strike feats, they are basically about even. Batman also ripped a metal duct pipe out of its place which takes a lot of strength as well. The only way I see Batman winning is if he's allowed to have like a minute in order to get amped up by chi.

Originally posted by King KAM
which he is not....and that duct pipe didnt look very thick at all.....that feat isnt very impressive...and even with the chi....bats would get too over zelous and POW judo flip.

lol @ isn't very impressive. Pretty damn strong for a human. and Cap isn't going to win, he's not as versatile as Batman.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
lol @ isn't very impressive. Pretty damn strong for a human. and Cap isn't going to win, he's not as versatile as Batman.

you say cap isnt a versatile, yet cap has shown that he is a versatile as EVERY opponent he has ever faced....he has never lost a fight because he wasnt versatile enough, and has fought against fighters from all around the world, cap is as versatile as it gets. in fighting you need 3 things to be well rounded. Grappling,Takedowns,and Striking, cap is a master of all 3. his style is no style, he's fluid.

Why is this even a debate? Batman himself said that Cap would beat him in h2h.

Cap 10/10