Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Started by jinzin220 pages
Originally posted by King KAM
one youre not wanted here!!! go back to your wolverine threads....this is my territory...and 2...yes i agree with you cap would win

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Originally posted by King KAM
and weight is much easier pressed when already over your head, and such......and you can lock out your body and put your palms flat on it, that was much of a feat...and yes caps superhuman agility is given to him to an extent by default, but cap trains just harder than humanly possible every night, to keep it at insane levels.

shoulder pressing something is NOT easy in the feat which I refering to batman only had his arms locked for an instant but the forced of the ceiling falling caused his arms to give some before he was able to hold..

here you can clearly see that batman's joints are not locked.. yet he's shoulder pressing the wall ceiling all the same.

Originally posted by King KAM
agility:cap, he has jumped out of more buildings, dodged more bullets, and shown us on more occasions that he is superhumanly agile.
quciknes-cap dodges bullets from about 7 feet away and throws the shield befor the second bullet could be fired.......bats aint done nothin like this, and cap did it against a super-soldier.
speed:Cap can bats run 60mph???no, because its not humanly possible,but cap can
strenght:cap(by far) bats was benching 395 pounds with trouble, cap was benching 2200 with ease.....
durability:bout the same
stamina:cap-everyone knows this
intelligence:in books Bats, in fighting equal
stiking power:cap dents steal doors and punches though furnaces that lazers take a couple of minutes to cut through.

Yeah, you want to know why he was having trouble lifting 395lbs. with trouble????????? IT WAS WHEN HE HAD A F*CKIN BROKEN BACK! 🙄 Next time do the research before you say something like that. 😉

*Ahem*

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

And that's all I have to say about that. 😉

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, you want to know why he was having trouble lifting 395lbs. with trouble????????? IT WAS WHEN HE HAD A F*CKIN BROKEN BACK! 🙄 Next time do the research before you say something like that. 😉
his back couldnt be tooo broken, considering he could walk, run and lift weights, and ummmm bench press has little to do with the back, its a chest/arm exercise

Originally posted by batdude123
*Ahem*

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

And that's all I have to say about that. 😉

the fact that you are saying that batman is better in h2h here has already been voided by a writer of batman himself, saying that they are atleast even

Originally posted by jinzin
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shoulder pressing something is NOT easy in the feat which I refering to batman only had his arms locked for an instant but the forced of the ceiling falling caused his arms to give some before he was able to hold..

here you can clearly see that batman's joints are not locked.. yet he's shoulder pressing the wall ceiling all the same.

ive seen the feat, but ive also seen how the man wastn impressed saying that bats SHOULD be able to hold it.

Originally posted by King KAM
his back couldnt be tooo broken, considering he could walk, run and lift weights, and ummmm bench press has little to do with the back, its a chest/arm exercise

Let's see you lift 25 pounds with a broken back. 🙄 The fact of the matter is that his health was maybe 25% of what it normally is. If you're going to tell me that normally Batman can only lift 395lbs., then you're crazy. His other feats would suggest otherwise. He was doing all that crap anyways because of his high tolerance to pain. While he was doing that, he was in rehab. Don't try and tell me that it's not a big deal to lift 395lbs. with a broken back. SHEESH!

Originally posted by King KAM
the fact that you are saying that batman is better in h2h here has already been voided by a writer of batman himself, saying that they are atleast even

I already told you that Captain would win more often than not. My point of that thread was to show you that they are more of a match than you think. 😉

Originally posted by batdude123
Let's see you lift 25 pounds with a broken back. 🙄 The fact of the matter is that his health was maybe 25% of what it normally is. If you're going to tell me that normally Batman can only lift 395lbs., then you're crazy. His other feats would suggest otherwise. He was doing all that crap anyways because of his high tolerance to pain. While he was doing that, he was in rehab. Don't try and tell me that it's not a big deal to lift 395lbs. with a broken back. SHEESH!
the fact is his back wasnt too broken considering the man was lifting weights, a man with severley bvroken back cannot walk, so he would have to be at atleast 70% for him to even have the mobility he is given and thats human biology FACT, number 2 the lift he was doing had little to do with back muscles at all, the fact is he was sweating from it, where as cap did 2200 without sweating.and cap broke down a THICK steal door and dented it up good too with a broken shoulder...a newly broken on at that.
Originally posted by batdude123
I already told you that Captain would win more often than not. My point of that thread was to show you that they are more of a match than you think. 😉
no i think hes a match, i am not a batman hater....i even feel like he could take Punisher and possibly even DD in a majority, but he cant take the cap, cap is superhuman, hes not a man hes a steroid freaked super agility having kung-fu master who doesnt get tired

Originally posted by joesha28
Cap will hold on with his durability.

Bats has his suit on. It makes his durability equal to Caps.

Originally posted by King KAM
his back couldnt be tooo broken, considering he could walk, run and lift weights, and ummmm bench press has little to do with the back, its a chest/arm exercise

I disagree,

regardlesss of what body part your using if you have a broken back, any exercise of any type would be impossible for any average human being.

This simply augments Batman's WILL status. The guy just finds the WILL to do these things, like when he survived in the vacuum of outer space for 24 seconds unprotected.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bats has his suit on. It makes his durability equal to Caps.
bout even....id say....maybe a slight edge to cap...but thats just because ive seen him take too many big explosuions head on, but durablitly isnt the deciding factor here, i agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree,

regardlesss of what body part your using if you have a broken back, any exercise of any type would be impossible for any average human being.

This simply augments Batman's WILL status. The guy just finds the WILL to do these things, like when he survived in the vacuum of outer space for 24 seconds unprotected.

his back wasnt that severe of a break this has zero to do with will power....

Originally posted by King KAM
the fact is his back wasnt too broken considering the man was lifting weights, a man with severley bvroken back cannot walk, so he would have to be at atleast 70% for him to even have the mobility he is given and thats human biology FACT, number 2 the lift he was doing had little to do with back muscles at all, the fact is he was sweating from it, where as cap did 2200 without sweating.and cap broke down a THICK steal door and dented it up good too with a broken shoulder...a newly broken on at that.

When you shoulder press something your back is extremely strained in the process as well. He was in agony while lifting that weight because his back was being extremely strained in the process. It's beyond human to do that. Plus, his other feats have shown that he's much stronger than that while at full health. He was kicking down huge trees and punching guys through brick walls. Don't sell Batman's strength short. 😉

Anyways, you're trying to use real-world logic in comic books. I doesn't work. That's been proven in every single comic book. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
When you shoulder press something your back is extremely strained in the process as well. He was in agony while lifting that weight because his back was being extremely strained in the process. It's beyond human to do that. Plus, his other feats have shown that he's much stronger than that while at full health. He was kicking down huge trees and punching guys through brick walls. Don't sell Batman's strength short. 😉

Anyways, you're trying to use real-world logic in comic books. I doesn't work. That's been proven in every single comic book. 😛

....but your trying to use no logic whatsoever, which doesnt fly either bats may not be bound by all of our rules but his bones do work the same as ours. And ive seen a man punch through about 12 bricks before....bricks dont hit back..

Originally posted by King KAM
....but your trying to use no logic whatsoever, which doesnt fly either bats may not be bound by all of our rules but his bones do work the same as ours. And ive seen a man punch through about 12 bricks before....bricks dont hit back..

If you read my EXTREMELY long post, then you would realize how he was able to do that. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
If you read my EXTREMELY long post, then you would realize how he was able to do that. 😛
who cares? bricks dont hit back...and neither do trees....ents....but not trees.

Originally posted by King KAM
his back wasnt that severe of a break this has zero to do with will power....

Zero will power?

Are you kidding?

Is there any other way to execute that feat(lifting nearly 400lbs with a broken back, for reps)

Originally posted by King KAM
who cares? bricks dont hit back...and neither do trees....ents....but not trees.

Well, my point was to not use Batman's lifting 395lbs. as a strength feat. It was CLEAR that Batman was majorly handicapped while doing so. The majority of his strength feats proves that he can lift FAR beyond that and is incredibly strong. Anyways, at least he trained himself to being peak physical human condition instead of taking steroids to get there. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
Well, my point was to not use Batman's lifting 395lbs. as a strength feat. It was CLEAR that Batman was majorly handicapped while doing so. The majority of his strength feats proves that he can lift FAR beyond that and is incredibly strong. Anyways, at least he trained himself to being peak physical human condition instead of taking steroids to get there. 😛
sure he takes some kind of supplement.