Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, I agree that Kam is over rating Cap, but not by a TON.I'd say that without armor, shield, and gadgets, Just hand to hand, Captain America would win 8/10. WITH shield/gadgets/armor, I could see it going either way, quite honestly.
Without shield and gadgets/armor, Cap takes it 6-7/10. However Batman with gadgets and his armor would take Cap 7-8/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
Without shield and gadgets/armor, Cap takes it 6-7/10. However Batman with gadgets and his armor would take Cap 7-8/10.
No need to repeat pretty much exactly what I quoted, friend. It would be like me responding to this post with.
Without shield/gadgets, Cap takes it 8/10, with, it's a draw, or a slight majority in either direction.
No need to repeat ourselves, hm?
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Seriously, somebody explain to me where Cap picked up the martial arts skill to match Batman. It hasn't been explained to me yet. Did he pick them up automatically when he was injected with the SSS?
*rolls eyes*
It's a comic. Suspension of belief. Please, tell me, why did the gamma bomb mutate Banner into an incredibly powerful behemoth, instead of obliterating him from the face of the earth?
Tell me, how did Batman manage to master 127 martial arts in the same amount of time it would take ANY dedicated practitioner to master one?
Same way Captain America is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe. He is written that way.
Originally posted by Soljer
*rolls eyes*It's a comic. Suspension of belief. Please, tell me, why did the gamma bomb mutate Banner into an incredibly powerful behemoth, instead of obliterating him from the face of the earth?
Tell me, how did Batman manage to master 127 martial arts in the same amount of time it would take ANY dedicated practitioner to master one?
Same way Captain America is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe. He is written that way.
Yes, it's a comic. But that's no answer. It's funny you say they're "written that way", and that's that. Part of the argument for Batman vs. Cap involves fighting skills. On the one hand, we have a character who's entire origin story revolves around him honing his hand-to-hand fighting. On the other, we have a normal guy injected by a drug and given a crash course in commando-style/martial arts fighting. The respective stories of the two characters indicates that Batman knows more. Alot more. Cap's martial arts mastery is a serious narrative inconsistency and alot more glaring than Bat's seemingly impossible knowledge of 127 fighting styles.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Yes, it's a comic. But that's no answer. It's funny you say they're "written that way", and that's that. Part of the argument for Batman vs. Cap involves fighting skills. On the one hand, we have a character who's entire origin story revolves around him honing his hand-to-hand fighting. On the other, we have a normal guy injected by a drug and given a crash course in commando-style/martial arts fighting. The respective stories of the two characters indicates that Batman knows more. Alot more. Cap's martial arts mastery is a serious narrative inconsistency and alot more glaring than Bat's seemingly impossible knowledge of 127 fighting styles.
Why is it funny that 'they're written that way,' being an argument? It really is quite that simple.
Why didn't Parker get cancer from the spider-bite, but rather, super-powers?
Captain America is JUST that good. He is one of the best fighters on Marvel Earth. And Marvel Earth houses some pretty good fighters.
Likewise, though, Batman is one of the best fighters on DC earth. Hence, most people approximate their skills about equal, judging by what the panels say. Some will say that one has a slight advantage over the other in the skill department, but they would never try to acknowledge the kind of gap you are talking about.
Most aren't quite ignorant enough, or have enough blind hate to just ignore what Cap has been said to be, and shown to be capable of.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Is this thread still going on?!? 🤨Everybody knows that without any gear for either Cap takes the majority.
With gear for both, Bats takes the majority 😐
Its not hard to comprehend
Originally posted by unknowable
Well this is incredible, and I wonder if we should take the last pic to heart,
"conceivably"(capable of being imagined or grasped mentally). Those writers used the right word, it basically means it's possible, but it does not mean it's absolute.
Just clearing that up.And yes, both men are wearing their suits.
Originally posted by Grimm22Cap takes the majority on either side.
Is this thread still going on?!? 🤨Everybody knows that without any gear for either Cap takes the majority.
With gear for both, Bats takes the majority 😐
Its not hard to comprehend
Cap takes the h2h 9/10 Bats is outmatched, Cap has dominated people easily as dangerous as bats, and will take bats no problem, if we wanna throw in that bats knows all those styles how bout i throw in that cap has a reaction time 10times superior to a human. So bats shouldnt eve3n be able to touch him in theory.
Originally posted by King KAM
Cap takes the majority on either side.Cap takes the h2h 9/10 Bats is outmatched, Cap has dominated people easily as dangerous as bats, and will take bats no problem, if we wanna throw in that bats knows all those styles how bout i throw in that cap has a reaction time 10times superior to a human. So bats shouldnt eve3n be able to touch him in theory.
That's a weak arguement, Bat's has dominated people like Thor in hand to hand combat. See how rediculous it is? To say Cap has beaten people above Batman doesn't mean shit.
Here, I'll continue.
Batman defeated a 6th dimensional being in hand to hand combat.
Batman has taken on Superman level foes in hand to hand combat, including Superman, White Martians, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel.
Each of these characters could BREATHE at Cap and kill him.
In JLA/Avengers, Bats said its POSSIBLE for Cap to beat him. then in book 4 he levels Taskmaster with no effort.
Originally posted by Grimm22I believe without is just fan opinion, Batman has shown enough combat prowess and ingenuity to be comparable to anyone, as long as they are both on equal footing. I can accept that someone says they think Cap will take majority though, that's their opinion.
Is this thread still going on?!? 🤨Everybody knows that without any gear for either Cap takes the majority.
With gear for both, Bats takes the majority 😐
Its not hard to comprehend
Batman having gagdets isn't much of a contest, should he decide to use them. I went through that earlier.
Anyways,-- thanks for the imput!
Originally posted by King KAM
not exactly.....you douche. Spidey hit dissapeared, hit everyone with the shield, then him and cap got into it and cap landed a punch which launched him.and i know where the pic came from, el douche bag.
Ok rather than continue with you on a meaningless talk that will never end. I will just direct readers to the civil war report thread.
Cap. did not go to work on spiderman, Spiderman was playing with him the entire time and in turn dodged every punch cap threw.
You can all read it here
ha who's the douche now 🙂