Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Rage if you have a character who has shown to be too proud to admit weakness and inferiority do you think that one interpretation of that scene isthat Batman is admitting hes weaker but in a veiled form?

He isn't to proud, Batman is calculating and knows when he will lose and when he could lose. When it's obvious he will lose, he reacts to it by cheating and using other methods through his intelligence, but when it's just a possibility he could lose, he meets the challenge head to head. Batman is tough.

Why the hell would it be in a veiled form?

He might as well not say anything at all, or just out right say his inferior.

Perhaps you should look up the word conceivably. It's saying he could lose, not that he would lose.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It is, because the site was pruned but if you want we could possibly show you a thread were another poster saw nd was discussing it, so you know where not making shit up.

Tough. I never said you're making it up.

Not according to Kurt, you know, the guy that wrote the scene being discussed.

Well, based on what Batman has said, I think otherwise.

Plus it's his opinion Batman is less skilled. I believe there is evidence that supports that Batman is the more skilled of the two.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, based on what Batman has said, I think otherwise.

Plus it's his opinion Batman is less skilled. I believe there is evidence that supports that Batman is the more skilled of the two.

Yea...and he wrote the scene and told us what his intent was.

You can argue that it's wrong or that it doesn't count since it's a crossover, but the fact remains, in that scene Batman was meant to be admitting that Cap was more skilled.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, based on what Batman has said, I think otherwise.

Plus it's his opinion Batman is less skilled. I believe there is evidence that supports that Batman is the more skilled of the two.

I dont believe there is. What makes you believe Batman is more skilled? In my oppinion there roughly equals

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea...and he wrote the scene and told us what his intent was.

You can argue that it's wrong or that it doesn't count since it's a crossover, but the fact remains, in that scene Batman was meant to be admitting that Cap was more skilled.

If that's how he meant to sound that's fine, but it didn't.

Batman at best said Captain America could win from that statement.

Well, whatever...

It's not like this entire fight dwells, on one writers opinion.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
What makes you believe Batman is more skilled?

he's not enhanced like cap...he doesn't have cap's stamina and is slightly weaker prob

so bruce is more skilled by necessity

Originally posted by Battlehammer
really was based on the intent of the author you are mistaken.

I dont believe there is. What makes you believe Batman is more skilled? In my oppinion there roughly equals

Okay then...

What makes me believe he is more skilled?

The fact that Batman seems to be the more proficient hand to hand combatant.

While Captain America does have more advantages physically, Batman has the advantage skill wise.

In that sense, I think this fight is most likely a split between both.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

What makes me believe he is more skilled?

The fact that Batman seems to be the more proficient hand to hand combatant.

You dident answer my question all you stated was what you believed.

I asked for why you believe this. what has Batman done which make syour believe he the more proficient H2H combatant?

Originally posted by Starscream M
because he needs to be

he's not enhanced like cap...he doesn't have cap's stamina and is slightly weaker prob

so bruce is more skilled by necessity

Just because individual lacks the abilities of another does not make them more skilled.

By your definition then Hawk eye, echo ect would be more skilled then either Batman or Capt.

No true he deosent have Capt stamina or physicaly body. However he has vastly more equiptment and technology to fall back on.

Your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You dident answer my question all you stated was what you believed.

I asked for why you believe this. what has Batman done which make syour believe he the more proficient H2H combatant?

Why I believe Batman is the more skilled?

Because of his hand to hand showings, and the extent of his training.

Come people it kurt's opinion. He thinks that batman is somewhat less effective than Captain America so he showed it the best way he can without taking away from batman.

And while Kurt thinks that Cap is superior to batman he still respects batman skills. I mean; if Kurt really thought that Cap was stronger and better than batman in every way, why not have Cap beat batman from here to next week when he wrote?

I will tell you, because he himself does not who will win between the two.

My opinion, batman is more skilled than Captain America. And rage is correct, batman is always calculating his next move.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If that's how he meant to sound that's fine, but it didn't.

Batman at best said Captain America could win from that statement.

Well, whatever...

It's not like this entire fight dwells, on one writers opinion.

Correction, it didn't sound like that to you, it obviously did sound like that to Kurt since he's the one that wrote it, it also sounded like that to me and at least one other person in this thread.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Come people it kurt's opinion. He thinks that batman is somewhat less effective than Captain America so he showed it the best way he can without taking away from batman.

And while Kurt thinks that Cap is superior to batman he still respects batman skills. I mean; if Kurt really thought that Cap was stronger and better than batman in every way, why not have Cap beat batman from here to next week when he wrote?

I will tell you, because he himself does not who will win between the two.

My opinion, batman is more skilled than Captain America. And rage is correct, batman is always calculating his next move.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why I believe Batman is the more skilled?

Because of his hand to hand showings, and the extent of his training.

What H2H showings?

How was his training superior to Captain America who was train by the best h2h combatants that were both within and out of U.S Military. The U.S military trained him to be the best fighter possiable this is even prior to his expereinces as Capt America

Originally posted by Silent Master
Correction, it didn't sound like that to you, it obviously did sound like that to Kurt since he's the one that wrote it, it also sounded like that to me and at least one other person in this thread.

If you read that page, how can you come to the conclusion that Batman is admitting his inferiority, when he only stated that he could lose.

That's what he stated on panel written by Kurt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you read that page, how can you come to the conclusion that Batman is admitting his inferiority, when he only stated that he could lose.

That's what he stated on panel written by Kurt.

Because I have a different view of Batman’s personality than you do, and I think that is as close as Batman can come to admitting someone is better than he is.

It just so happens that my opinion on Batman was similar to Kurt’s, which means that I was able to understand his intent, or correctly “read between the lines” as the saying goes.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
What H2H showings?

How was his training superior to Captain America who was train by the best h2h combatants that were both within and out of U.S Military. The U.S military trained him to be the best fighter possiable this is even prior to his expereinces as Capt America

but bruce had training from the best masters from all over the world

Originally posted by Starscream M
capt was trained by us military

but bruce had training from the best masters from all over the world

U.S Military often even in are own reality hires martial arts experts to train even there most low level infantry let a lone there weapon/ super dolier.

Originally posted by Starscream M
capt was trained by us military

but bruce had training from the best masters from all over the world

Right, because we all know that a rich white guy would have better access to MA masters than the USA would.