Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?

Originally posted by markie
They didn't like the way they were depicted so they acted that way. To me it didn't make much sense and they made it mre likely that there will be more cartoons.. This was one that wasn't published and it was probably made after these riots started.

thats just cuz they'r stubborn n prejudiced.those who don't respect others don't deserve any respect themselves

Originally posted by markie
I don't think I'm islamaphobic I just don't want to be a muslim and I don't believe that muslims are as mistreated as they claim. I think muslims are treated pretty good in the west and islam is not as disrespected as they are saying. Most muslims are not terrorists but there are muslim extremists and I think that's what the offensive pictures that the danish artists drew were confronting.
The new french picture of mohammed with his head in his hands saying it's hard to be loved by fools is indicating that they think the re action to the original cartoons was stupid and I can't say I disagree with that conclusion. I think those cartoons were more about confronting terrorism than about freedom of speech.
I was reminded of the saying "if the shoe fits wear it". I guess they wanted to be fair so they printed the holocaust pictures and then the french muslims protested that too. They thought we offended the muslims now we'll offend the jews. I guess they offended the muslims and the jews.

like i said bfor ,it was a pathetic way of doin it.don't tell me that they had run out of ideas that they cudn't think of anythin better

if muslims were treated without prejudice in the west then 1st of all ,none of this wud hav happened.n after knowin that the muslims hated it ,they printed more cartoons n then they ask " y was there a 9/11"?

Originally posted by xyz revolution
to be honest, if you believe in areligion then you're not fit to rule a country. Whether christian, muslim, hindu or whatever. To me, christianity and muslim are exactly the same. Apart from, Muslim's more strict and 500 years younger.

christians r more strict

Originally posted by maham
if muslims were treated without prejudice in the west then 1st of all ,none of this wud hav happened.n after knowin that the muslims hated it ,they printed more cartoons n then they ask " y was there a 9/11"?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well, Christians there are put to death...Muslims that change their faith are put to death.......

Probably something like death......I think they just like the death thing a lot.

i think it's the americans who r killin ppl in Iraq n Afghanistan,not us

as if u havn't seen brit soldiers beatin up helpless Iraqi teenagers to death,think thats ok?

Originally posted by finti
they were just some cartoons
well they could defended their religion with words, the respond of violence and threats just emphasized upon what one of the cartoon displayed

dont blame others for wrong doings of islamists, they target anyone who says and think differently than they do

I am!!!!!!, but Im christianphobic judaphopic or to sum it up Im a pure religionphobic.
I dont need others to tell me what to believe I believe what I think is right and no iman,priest, pope, religious political nuthous leaders are gonna tell me otherwise. No country should be ruled by religious laws, but through democratic laws of a nation legislation and.......... to this religious laws and books and ideas should stay the f*uck away.

who says they didn't use words.muslim orgs tried to stop the reprintin but their request in the court was turned down.how "democratic"!
prejudice ofcourse.

religious laws R democratic laws.atleast ours r

I think freedom of speech should come through in the western world, after all its wealth is built on these ethics. Why should backward people who want to return to the middle ages be able to influence this, if they don´t like the nudity, bad language and any other anti Muslim aspect of our society then they should live in a Muslim country.

Unfortunately Muslims in muslim countries are generally poor, except the oil barons, rich fornicating mullahs and corrupt politicians.

You can´t have it both ways

who says they didn't use words.muslim orgs tried to stop the reprintin but their request in the court was turned down

religious laws R democratic laws.atleast ours r

Originally posted by maham
thats just cuz they'r stubborn n prejudiced.those who don't respect others don't deserve any respect themselves

like i said bfor ,it was a pathetic way of doin it.don't tell me that they had run out of ideas that they cudn't think of anythin better

if muslims were treated without prejudice in the west then 1st of all ,none of this wud hav happened.n after knowin that the muslims hated it ,they printed more cartoons n then they ask " y was there a 9/11"?

Originally posted by markie
but what is what they were doing.
I think most muslims are treated better in the west than they are in their own countries.

Originally posted by maham
who says they didn't use words.muslim orgs tried to stop the reprintin but their request in the court was turned down.how "democratic"!
prejudice ofcourse.

religious laws R democratic laws.atleast ours r

I don't believe that Muslims view themselves as being equal.......but above it.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I don't believe that Muslims view themselves as being equal.......but above it.

Originally posted by maham
who says they didn't use words.muslim orgs tried to stop the reprintin but their request in the court was turned down.how "democratic"!
prejudice ofcourse.

religious laws R democratic laws.atleast ours r

But the cartoon story is different.

Those examples have to do with exercising restraint because of ethical standards and taste; call it editing. By contrast, I commissioned the cartoons in response to several incidents of self-censorship in Europe caused by widening fears and feelings of intimidation in dealing with issues related to Islam. And I still believe that this is a topic that we Europeans must confront, challenging moderate Muslims to speak out. The idea wasn't to provoke gratuitously -- and we certainly didn't intend to trigger violent demonstrations throughout the Muslim world. Our goal was simply to push back self-imposed limits on expression that seemed to be closing in tighter.

At the end of September, a Danish standup comedian said in an interview with Jyllands-Posten that he had no problem urinating on the Bible in front of a camera, but he dared not do the same thing with the Koran.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I think freedom of speech should come through in the western world, after all its wealth is built on these ethics. Why should backward people who want to return to the middle ages be able to influence this, if they don´t like the nudity, bad language and any other anti Muslim aspect of our society then they should live in a Muslim country.

Unfortunately Muslims in muslim countries are generally poor, except the oil barons, rich fornicating mullahs and corrupt politicians.

You can´t have it both ways

y not ,if u can hav it y not us?

u pll hav small islands in the pacific in ur hold though they'r not urs,r they,but u hav them

tell me why is uk in Gibralter while its in a spanish area it's not theirs,but they hav it n so many other islands n places nobody tells them to freeze in their own country

Originally posted by debbiejo
Muslims are treated with respect here. Michigan has the larges population of Middle Eastern and Muslims in the US...And they are treated with the same respect as everyone else..........9/11 was totally unacceptable. It was a mean [B]childish act.......Barbaric. And you wonder why Muslims freak people out and become phobic of them....They(Muslims) cause the worlds view of them themselves....No other religion does these things.....Totally backwards, medieval thinking. [/B]

so were the Iraq n afghanistan wars,ever thought of how many innocent lives u'v taken as a revenge

thats thrice the no of ppl killed in 9/11

Originally posted by markie
It had more to do with self censership then an attack on muslims. They couldn't even get anybody to ilustrate a book and it was a response to the fear people had of offending islam. I think they thought why should islam be treated any different than any other religion. I don't think they meant to offend islam they were just treating it like they would any other religion. It wasn't about islamophobia at all. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1581483/posts
I agree that the freedom to publish things doesn't mean you publish everything. Jyllands-Posten would not publish pornographic images or graphic details of dead bodies; swear words rarely make it into our pages. So we are not fundamentalists in our support for freedom of expression.

But the cartoon story is different.

Those examples have to do with exercising restraint because of ethical standards and taste; call it editing. By contrast, I commissioned the cartoons in response to several incidents of self-censorship in Europe caused by widening fears and feelings of intimidation in dealing with issues related to Islam. And I still believe that this is a topic that we Europeans must confront, challenging moderate Muslims to speak out. The idea wasn't to provoke gratuitously -- and we certainly didn't intend to trigger violent demonstrations throughout the Muslim world. Our goal was simply to push back self-imposed limits on expression that seemed to be closing in tighter.

At the end of September, a Danish standup comedian said in an interview with Jyllands-Posten that he had no problem urinating on the Bible in front of a camera, but he dared not do the same thing with the Koran.

then they shudn't treat other religions like that either

respect is not a self-imposed limit or if it is then it is fr ur own good.

u won't like it if 9/11 happened everyday ,wud u?

every1 wants respect n it is not that hard to giv n even if u just ignore somehtin n don't insult it ,it's ok

Originally posted by maham
y not ,if u can hav it y not us?

u pll hav small islands in the pacific in ur hold though they'r not urs,r they,but u hav them

tell me why is uk in Gibralter while its in a spanish area it's not theirs,but they hav it n so many other islands n places nobody tells them to freeze in their own country

Other posters depicted the American flag blended with a swastika and an Islamic flag planted on the White House under the words "Islam Will Dominate," and another read: "The world is divided into two camps. The Camp of Evil versus the Camp of Islam."
Private security officers asked the group to leave, but the men refused, shouting that Islam had nothing for which to apologize.

Other Muslim demonstrators got into heated shouting matches with the extremists, demanding they discard their hate-inciting posters.

"Who said Islam is about peace?" fumed the extremist group's spokesman, Mussrah Muawiyah.

"Denmark is the enemy of Islam. They are lucky they are not living in an Islamic state. I want them to be six feet under the ground. I pray to Allah to punish them."

They were wrong to print the pictures but this kind of re action is not right either. Most of the protests may be peaceful and I can respect that but these violent protests are un called for. No wonder islamophobia exists in the west. Muslims cause it.

Originally posted by maham
i think it's the americans who r killin ppl in Iraq n Afghanistan,not us

as if u havn't seen brit soldiers beatin up helpless Iraqi teenagers to death,think thats ok?

While I condem any American involvement in Iraq, you being from pakistan should know how many girls and women die from honour killings, how many people are killed in Iraq or Iran for not obaying the religious laws.

As far as an Islamic country goes, Muslims want eqality and democrasy if they are monority, but an absolute Islamic Theocrasy when they are majority.

Originally posted by maham
so were the Iraq n afghanistan wars,ever thought of how many innocent lives u'v taken as a revenge

thats thrice the no of ppl killed in 9/11

then they shudn't treat other religions like that either

respect is not a self-imposed limit or if it is then it is fr ur own good.

u won't like it if 9/11 happened everyday ,wud u?

every1 wants respect n it is not that hard to giv n even if u just ignore somehtin n don't insult it ,it's ok

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I think freedom of speech should come through in the western world, after all its wealth is built on these ethics. Why should backward people who want to return to the middle ages be able to influence this, if they don´t like the nudity, bad language and any other anti Muslim aspect of our society then they should live in a Muslim country.

Unfortunately Muslims in muslim countries are generally poor, except the oil barons, rich fornicating mullahs and corrupt politicians.

You can´t have it both ways

A new book published by Le Seuil in Paris in October may further Western understanding of this reality. Written by the Swiss investigative reporter Sylvain Besson and not yet available in English, it publicizes the discovery and contents of a Muslim Brotherhood strategy document entitled "The Project," hitherto little known outside the highest counterterrorism circles.

Besson's book, La conquête de l'Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists' Secret Project), recounts how, in November 2001, Swiss authorities acting on a special request from the White House entered the villa of a man named Yusuf Nada in Campione, a small Italian enclave on the eastern shore of Lake Lugano in Switzerland. Nada was the treasurer of the Al Taqwa bank, which allegedly funneled money to al Qaeda. In the course of their search of Nada's house, investigators stumbled onto "The Project," an unsigned, 14-page document dated December 1, 1982.

The cartoon jihad has been a godsend for Islamists throughout the world. For the past year, Muslim lobbies in Europe have been pushing for the adoption of blasphemy laws by the United Nations, the European Union, and the nations of Europe. Predictably, Qaradawi endorsed this cause in his sermon of February 3 (translated and posted on the web by the Middle East Media Research Institute): "The governments must be pressured to demand that the U.N. adopt a clear resolution or law that categorically prohibits affronts to prophets." Like the cartoon jihad, it is a ploy straight out of the Muslim Brotherhood playbook--and, most worryingly, a move likely to have strong appeal to Muslim moderates.

[QUOTE=6089442]Originally posted by markie
[B]I think finti said that was done after a tv show on terrorism was shown a couple of years ago and wasn't in the news paper. I liked the new one where mohammed was crying and had his head in his hands and said it's hard to be loved by fools. That was making fun of their re actions to the cartoons. I agree with this article. [url]]

I agree with this topic. I myself was just talking about the cartoonist.
I don't even know what newspaper the example I gave came from, doesn't matter.
But the cartoonist, even in our own country, make fun of EVERYONE.
No one escapes the mockery of the newspapers cartoonist.
So if the make fun of all the other religions, the presidents and everyone else important, the Muslems will be made fun of too.
Is it right? I certainly never said it was.
Can we stop them? Apperantly not in a free society.
But were still better off in a free society, the crazys just need to chill a little.