Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?

Originally posted by blackhat
[QUOTE=6089442]Originally posted by markie
[B]I think finti said that was done after a tv show on terrorism was shown a couple of years ago and wasn't in the news paper. I liked the new one where mohammed was crying and had his head in his hands and said it's hard to be loved by fools. That was making fun of their re actions to the cartoons. I agree with this article. ]

I agree with this topic. I myself was just talking about the cartoonist.
I don't even know what newspaper the example I gave came from, doesn't matter.
But the cartoonist, even in our own country, make fun of EVERYONE.
No one escapes the mockery of the newspapers cartoonist.
So if the make fun of all the other religions, the presidents and everyone else important, the Muslems will be made fun of too.
Is it right? I certainly never said it was.
Can we stop them? Apperantly not in a free society.
But were still better off in a free society, the crazys just need to chill a little.

Originally posted by maham
christians r more strict

There was a stir when the caricatures first appeared however things really only erupted thanks to the helping hand of a group of imams from Denmark who went on a round trip to the Middle East. To strengthen their case they added three more drawings of their own, the origin of which they haven't disclosed. These drawings were quite different from the twelve published being extremely crude and obviously not the work of an artist. One is of the prophet with a pigs head, one with a muslim in prayer being sodomised by a dog and one depicting the prophet as an evil looking paedofile.

These three drawings are obviously offensive and I think much of the reaction can be put down to these and the gross deceit by those imams. The leader of the group in an interview on national TV has said he regreted the boycot and will work hard to get it lifted while at the same time in an interview on Arab TV he said the opposite, that he was very happy for the boycot and wanted it to grow! Not unnaturally this has caused a lot of bad feeling among danes who despite a plea from the PM have unfortunately started a boycot of arab/muslim businesses including multinational Q8.

As a non muslim I find the caricatures quite good and certainly justified in the ongoing debate about Islam. I think it is fair enough to edge on the side of offending when dealing with important and actual issues. This is certainly not something foreign to muslims. I found it greatly offensive when some muslims publically celebrated after 9/11 here on the streets of Denmark. But also in caricatures of Jews in the paper. In my eyes these are fair means to draw attention to what one feels as injustice. The danish paper felt that it was an injustice that islamic terror was having a detrimental influence on the pillar of western democracy.

I feel offended now seeing the reactions and contrasting these to the reactions of muslims to the terror committed in Islam's name but others have drawn attention to this. I don't know where the line should be drawn between what is OK and what isn't but i do know that it should be drawn by mutual agreement of muslims as much as non muslims and that it should apply for both. Further more I would expect one to keep ones own house in order first.

In light of this, the original drawing that seems to have created the most offense, the one with the bomb in a turbin does really purvey the perception of Islam that many non muslims have. You may not like this, but muslims have in very large measure only themselves to blame for this and if it takes a degree of offense for them to realise this then it is absolutely justified. Apparently he's from denmark so I would think he is more likely to know what's going on.

originally posted by maham
christians r more strict

Originally posted by maham
thats just cuz they'r stubborn n prejudiced.those who don't respect others don't deserve any respect themselves

like i said bfor ,it was a pathetic way of doin it.don't tell me that they had run out of ideas that they cudn't think of anythin better

if muslims were treated without prejudice in the west then 1st of all ,none of this wud hav happened.n after knowin that the muslims hated it ,they printed more cartoons n then they ask " y was there a 9/11"?

I cannot support CNN's view and not publish these out of respect for Islam. Respect is earned. Islam's faithful are committing felonies all over the world based on the following cartoons. If brought to justice, these people would be considered criminals and imprisoned. Does this type of activity earn respect from you for Islam or does it intimidate and cause fear.
You can't make someone respect your religion.

Originally posted by markie
. Respect is earned.

Originally posted by maham
christians r more strict

Furthermore, by reacting so strongly to images, they commit shirk against Allah (praised and exalted be He) as their actions imply images have power or influence over Muslims, which takes away from the power and influence of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He), when Islam emphatically teaches that only ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) truly has power and influence. Such a reaction to images would be tantamount to setting them beside ALLAH (praised and exalted be He), which would utterly nullify these Muslims’ faith and render them as infidels (kuffaar).

Additionally, it is revealed in the Holy Qur’aan, the Word of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He), that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) be upon him) is only a man. ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) commands the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) be upon him) to say: “innamaa anaa basharun mithlukum” (“Indeed, I am a man like you”) (18:110 and 41:6). ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) also commands the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) be upon him) to say: “subHaana rabbee hal kuntu illaa basharan rasoolan” (“glory to my Lord, am I but a man, a messenger?”) (17:93). When the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) be upon him) announces that he (peace and blessings of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) be upon him) is but a man like the rest of them/us, he (peace and blessings of ALLAH (praised and exalted be He) be upon him) does not stop there.

In aayah 110 of sooratu-l-kahf (soorah 18), the Holy Qur’aan says:

(bismi-llaahi-r-raHmaani-r-raHeem)

“innamaa anaa basharun mithlukum yooHaa ilayya annamaa ilaahukum ilaahun waaHid, faman kaana yarjoo liqaa’a falya’mal ‘amalan SaaliHaan wa laa yushrik bi’ibaadati rabbihi aHada”

(Sadaqa-llaahu-l-‘aZeem)

The interpretation of which is:

(In the name of ALLAH [praised and exalted be He], the Most Merciful, the Merciful.)

“Indeed, I am a man like you, it has been revealed to me that your God is a solitary God, so whoever there is who desires a meeting [with ALLAH (praised and exalted be He)] should do good works and not commit shirk in worship of his one Lord.”
So I guess that means all those muslims that rioted are going to hell because shirk is the unforgivable sin in islam.

markie this is your thread, isn't it? 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
markie this is your thread, isn't it? 😆

Originally posted by markie
I'll give it back to you.

No 😱 I don't want it. 😱

Originally posted by markie
The cartoons that were printed were pretty tame compared to the ones that the imams made, They wanted to ensure they got a re action so they made a pig faced mohammed, a devilish pedophile and mohammed being raped by a dog. It's all part of a muslim conspiracy. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/704xewyj.asp?pg=2
THAT THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD would seek to inflame this controversy makes perfect sense, given the organization's Islamist philosophy and past links to al Qaeda. What may not be sufficiently appreciated, however, is the extent of the Brotherhood's deliberate planning for an Islamist takeover of the West--and how neatly the cartoon jihad conforms to its strategy.

A new book published by Le Seuil in Paris in October may further Western understanding of this reality. Written by the Swiss investigative reporter Sylvain Besson and not yet available in English, it publicizes the discovery and contents of a Muslim Brotherhood strategy document entitled "The Project," hitherto little known outside the highest counterterrorism circles.

Besson's book, La conquête de l'Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists' Secret Project), recounts how, in November 2001, Swiss authorities acting on a special request from the White House entered the villa of a man named Yusuf Nada in Campione, a small Italian enclave on the eastern shore of Lake Lugano in Switzerland. Nada was the treasurer of the Al Taqwa bank, which allegedly funneled money to al Qaeda. In the course of their search of Nada's house, investigators stumbled onto "The Project," an unsigned, 14-page document dated December 1, 1982.

The cartoon jihad has been a godsend for Islamists throughout the world. For the past year, Muslim lobbies in Europe have been pushing for the adoption of blasphemy laws by the United Nations, the European Union, and the nations of Europe. Predictably, Qaradawi endorsed this cause in his sermon of February 3 (translated and posted on the web by the Middle East Media Research Institute): "The governments must be pressured to demand that the U.N. adopt a clear resolution or law that categorically prohibits affronts to prophets." Like the cartoon jihad, it is a ploy straight out of the Muslim Brotherhood playbook--and, most worryingly, a move likely to have strong appeal to Muslim moderates.

Originally posted by finti
more stricht than people who dont give a f*uck about religion, yes, strichter than muslims 😂 😂 get real

they r.the religious 1s r

Originally posted by maham
followers of Islam r Muslims,not Islamists

They used to be called Mohammedans, in the ancient times.

Originally posted by markie
Evidently the imams didn't think the cartoons were offensive enough to get a worldwide re action so they made some more. They made at least three more and I read somewhere that 42 pictures were printed and brought to the mid east but only 12 cartoons were published in the danish newspaper. http://instantknowledgenews.com/danecartoons1.htm I find it ironic that muslims get mad at the west for being islamophobic when they are the ones who cause islamophobia.
It is imperative that we, non-Moslems in the West, understand that we are not under Islamic religious law, Shariah; that the duties imposed upon the Islamic faithful are not duties and responsibilities to those who do not subscribe to the beliefs and practices of this violent ideology. The techniques of bullies, despots, and dictators do not change whether they are dressed in a Nazi uniform or hijab: the presence of fear, intimidation, and the use of violence to achieve their political ends are one and the same, and are characteristic of various political ideologies, including Islam.
Freedom of the press is essential for a free society. You may not agree with something you read or see, but you have the freedom to complain, to throw it away, to walk away, to click to another site. It does not mean that we try to appease every group, that we apologize if something hurts their ideological sensibilities or that we censor content so as not to cause anyone to 'feel badly': that is a fool's errand. Those who would undermine the principles of free speech, murder, kidnap, burn embassies, torch cars, riot. There is a clear distinction.

I cannot support CNN's view and not publish these out of respect for Islam. Respect is earned. Islam's faithful are committing felonies all over the world based on the following cartoons. If brought to justice, these people would be considered criminals and imprisoned. Does this type of activity earn respect from you for Islam or does it intimidate and cause fear.
You can't make someone respect your religion.

free speech is given to tell the ppl abt the truth,even if it goes against the authorities like ur government,not to arouse anti-any1 sentiments

Originally posted by markie
I don't know about that but this is what happened according to somebody who should know more about it than I do. http://www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4978&sid=caad205bcab791de52c5e3d5d188632e I thought the paper was a tabloid but this guy say it's not. There is more to this story than outsiders realise. The paper is not a tabloid and as a danish language paper its readership outside of Denmark is pretty small. The purpose for commissioning the drawings was that a new childrens book about Islam was unable to find an illustrator willing to be named. The paper wanted to test this fear of islamic terror and start a debate on the detriment to the freedom of speech this implies for the danish nation.

There was a stir when the caricatures first appeared however things really only erupted thanks to the helping hand of a group of imams from Denmark who went on a round trip to the Middle East. To strengthen their case they added three more drawings of their own, the origin of which they haven't disclosed. These drawings were quite different from the twelve published being extremely crude and obviously not the work of an artist. One is of the prophet with a pigs head, one with a muslim in prayer being sodomised by a dog and one depicting the prophet as an evil looking paedofile.

These three drawings are obviously offensive and I think much of the reaction can be put down to these and the gross deceit by those imams. The leader of the group in an interview on national TV has said he regreted the boycot and will work hard to get it lifted while at the same time in an interview on Arab TV he said the opposite, that he was very happy for the boycot and wanted it to grow! Not unnaturally this has caused a lot of bad feeling among danes who despite a plea from the PM have unfortunately started a boycot of arab/muslim businesses including multinational Q8.

As a non muslim I find the caricatures quite good and certainly justified in the ongoing debate about Islam. I think it is fair enough to edge on the side of offending when dealing with important and actual issues. This is certainly not something foreign to muslims. I found it greatly offensive when some muslims publically celebrated after 9/11 here on the streets of Denmark. But also in caricatures of Jews in the paper. In my eyes these are fair means to draw attention to what one feels as injustice. The danish paper felt that it was an injustice that islamic terror was having a detrimental influence on the pillar of western democracy.

I feel offended now seeing the reactions and contrasting these to the reactions of muslims to the terror committed in Islam's name but others have drawn attention to this. I don't know where the line should be drawn between what is OK and what isn't but i do know that it should be drawn by mutual agreement of muslims as much as non muslims and that it should apply for both. Further more I would expect one to keep ones own house in order first.

In light of this, the original drawing that seems to have created the most offense, the one with the bomb in a turbin does really purvey the perception of Islam that many non muslims have. You may not like this, but muslims have in very large measure only themselves to blame for this and if it takes a degree of offense for them to realise this then it is absolutely justified. Apparently he's from denmark so I would think he is more likely to know what's going on.

u don't like the Muslims talkin abt 9/11 but like it when they r insultin Prophets,huh? wheer does ur free society n freedom of speech go when it comes to ur own self.this incident was no smaller to us than 9/11 was to u.if u actually support freedom of speech,show then when it goes against ur will

if u think the cartoons were good cuz they start a debate abt Islam,then u do u find 9/11 so bad.does it not address how much ppl hate their mean,greedy n racist policies towards others n them.starts a debate abt wat knid of attitude america has towards others ppl n how can they make their relations better rather than makin them worse

Originally posted by debbiejo
Certainly is.

can't b if ur askin it frm a prejudiced

shirk is comparin some1 (any real or virtual bein) with Allah n denyin that God is 1 , not wat u think n since Muslims blieve that Allah is 1,they hav not commmitted the unforgivable sin n wil not go to hell fr that(that only the rest is up to their deeds)

Originally posted by maham
u don't like the Muslims talkin abt 9/11 but like it when they r insultin Prophets,huh? wheer does ur free society n freedom of speech go when it comes to ur own self.this incident was no smaller to us than 9/11 was to u.if u actually support freedom of speech,show then when it goes against ur will

if u think the cartoons were good cuz they start a debate abt Islam,then u do u find 9/11 so bad.does it not address how much ppl hate their mean,greedy n racist policies towards others n them.starts a debate abt wat knid of attitude america has towards others ppl n how can they make their relations better rather than makin them worse

I just think Muslimss over reacted too the cartoons. Is it still going on? Are muslims still boycotiing danish products??

Originally posted by maham
can't b if ur askin it frm a prejudiced

as if v made any cartoons on their Prophet.v blive in Jesus n Moses n all other Prophets n respect them with all our hearts if christians or jews do anythin wrong v wudn't blame their Prophet fr it,wud v?