The daily mail published lots of anti-jewish cartoons on sunday which can be found originating in Islamic papers!
They included PM Sharon hacking children to death with a swastika axe. Ex Israeli PM Ehud Bharak dressed up as Hitler and the Pope talking with a jewish devil.
I don't remember an army of angry Catholics burning Palestinian flags...
Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
The daily mail published lots of anti-jewish cartoons on sunday which can be found originating in Islamic papers!They included PM Sharon hacking children to death with a swastika axe. Ex Israeli PM Ehud Bharak dressed up as Hitler and the Pope talking with a jewish devil.
I don't remember an army of angry Catholics burning Palestinian flags...
There we go again ; another generalising post !
What is acceptable to us, may not be the obviously accepted by default around the globe. The right to give offense (by freedom of speech) through cartoon or caricature, is not an absolute right. As a rule it should be used responsably NOT gratuitously.
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
I'm not saying the West is blameless by any stretch of the imagination. Everyone loves to harp about the crusades but what about Islamic raiders in the 700s and 800s who laid seige to Constantinople and extorted money to maintain the peace.And as for the current situation with Israel...I fail to see why the entire Islamic world is up in arms over a tiny piece of land in Palestine. Less than .01% of the worlds Muslims are Palestinian and fewer than 10% are even Arabs. Yet the entire Islamic world would kill Israel in an instant if they could. Maybe because this is something governments and Religious leaders in Islamic countries can galvanize their populations with against the West to control them better?
I'm all for less interference in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries and I also support a palestinian state but neither is likely given that Moneyed interests in the US support Israel which doesn't want an Independant Palestinian state. Also, given the Corporate Oil giants influence on US politics means we won't be leaving The Middle East any time soon.
But this begs why such uproar over a stupid cartoon. Just look at some Muslims reaction to anyone who "insults" their religion. There was that Dutch filmmaker who was murdered just because he made a documentary about the place and treatment of women in Islamic countries.
Still, I don't think we should stop drawing cartoons, even offensive ones, just because members of some religion don't like it or we sacrifice freedoms that were hard won and are always under threat. This is our country. The danes have their country. Who are people in far away lands to tell either us or the Danes what, or what not, do draw? Think about it.
I think your missing the point, or maybe not. But I think he is just trying to tell you it's good to be a little sensitive toward Muslims right now. There already are tensions , big ones, between them and western cultures. In the name of trying to make relations with them a little better why not not print potentially inciting material. No body is telling you you cant draw pictures of Mohammad, or whoever, that depict him(her) in a "blasphemous" way. But use some sense and don't go printing them in a newspaper for everyone to see. That action will undoubtedly provoke a reaction and to say a reaction shouldn't happen is being just plain, well, ignorant. This is way the world is don't get trapped inside a personal bubble where you may believe everything is or should be "a certain way."
Anyway, it's been pointed out the paper that printed the cartoons to begin with might have done so with a political agenda not neccesarily because the artist was simply excercising his or her freedoms.
Anyway, it's been pointed out the paper that printed the cartoons to begin with might have done so with a political agenda not neccesarily because the artist was simply excercising his or her freedoms.again*sigh* The newspaper invited artist to draw muhammed for a religion book for children, they didnt get too many entries so they showed them all as to was there no serious artist who would make a drawing of muhammed so that kids could relate to the story with more than the words.
Man i wish a big ass UFO would come down here!! they don't even have to help us just roll down the damn window and say:
"hey morons!! theres no God/Allah/whatever!!!we know how it all started!! your way off"!!!
then these fools would HAVE to stop with their nonsense!!! and we can all have a good laugh about all the blood spilt 4 religion and live happily ever after 😄
Originally posted by Ogami IttoYeah that would be awesome, or a big ass UFO comes down and tells us "Damn you idiots, there is a God, and his name is Allah, we met him yesterday!", then all the stupidass people would need to start respecting the Islam and we could all live happily everafter.
Man i wish a big ass UFO would come down here!! they don't even have to help us just roll down the damn window and say:"hey morons!! theres no God/Allah/whatever!!!we know how it all started!! your way off"!!!
then these fools would HAVE to stop with their nonsense!!! and we can all have a good laugh about all the blood spilt 4 religion and live happily ever after 😄
Originally posted by Ogami Itto
I like my version better!! besides i didn't read anything in the bible about God creating another planet!! i'm quite sure the Muslim version doesn't either! but they didn't make me read that at school so i don't know
Well but maybe the Koran is just what god wants us to believe....a possibility.
if people have so much faith in their religion, they would not care what people thought about it and continue to worship their god as normal. but no, these extremem muslims have to go all uppity and burn emmbassys down like some bunch of raving idiots. there is no such thing as free speech. probably never will be. why do i have a feeling that these extremists, who have been known celebrate teh fact that sept 11 happened, are going to be the reason as to why we, as human beings, are going to stop existing.
its liek when you see those people with teh banners sayign how jesus repented us for our sins in teh middle of the street, i dont enjoy listening to it, but hes entitled to say what he wants. so why is it, we cant do the same saying that all religion is a pile of bulls**t? ITS THE 21st CENTURY FFS!!!
It's a strange situation; why has all the fuss erupted now, when the cartoons first appeared in September?
In regards to offense, I believe GCG got it right when he said that different people/ethnic groups find different things acceptable. It is also pertinent to note, that the Koran rejects any depictions of Muhammad because it states this can lead to idolatry.
Also, it is important to recognise the responses from Muslims regardless of whether they are an 'extremist' or not. It seems that all Muslims are offended by the cartoons, but they express their responses in different manners; some choose violence, some choose protest. I'm sure that within this heady mix, there are also some that view it as a perfect opportunity to attack the West - just as some in the West see these outbreaks of violence as an opportunity to condem all of Islam. Who loses most from this episode? All of us.
It's a strange situation; why has all the fuss erupted now, when the cartoons first appeared in September?a delegation of the danish muslim council went to Saudi Arabia to rally support for a protest against the cartoon, lately it have come forth that some of the pictures they showed wasnt printed in the newspaper at all, those pictures were much more offensive than those printed in the paper. There are 3 pictures in question and it seems like the danish muslim council got them as hate mail when the debate about the printing was back in late september early october last year.
and yes this is a win wn situation for extremist and fundementalists on both sides