Originally posted by soujaboy09
I always said that in the Marvel directory that 616 Magneto could lift 35,000 tons with his powers, and it hasn't been stated that Ultimate Magneto is any diffren't than his 616 counterpart.Sorry Warmonger, but Ive always said that Ultimate Magneto, and 616 Magneto had the same powers, and were at the same strength.
You don't seem to get the point. I doesn't need to be stated that they are any different. It needs to be stated that they are similar. Which haven't been stated. I could go say that Ultimate Hulk is identical to 616 "because difference hasn't been stated". Or that Colossus is identical to Ultimate Colossus because it says nowhere that they aren't. But they are NOT the same person, and therefore the other can't do the same feats because the other has, UNLESS it has been shown in comics that he can.
So you can't say that Ultimate Magneto can lift 35,000 tons because 616 has. Because he hasn't. And until he has shown that he can do so, we can't say that he can, when he has never shown such ability before.
Originally posted by spideycarnageIt's just Wolvies BONES that are laced with Adamantium!!! His joints, since they have to be flexible, are just ligaments and other normal body tissue.
why wouldent he, wolive is made out of adamantium..wat is colossus made of??
Btw...since nothing (not even adamantium claws and a nuke) has proven to be able to really damage Colossus organic steel, we have no way of knowing how durable it actually is.
Originally posted by wannabeBtw...since nothing (not even adamantium claws and a nuke) has proven to be able to really damage Colossus organic steel, we have no way of knowing how durable it actually is.
The nuke was miniature, wasn't it? And The claws did not cut him because Wolverine simply doesn't have enough strength to cut through Colossus with them. If someone stronger had the claws, the result could be different.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerRight, but miniature or not, it knocked Colossus out, something neither Thor, Ironman, a stomping Sentinel or Magneto with all their power were able to do, yet it was not able to physically damage him.
The nuke was miniature, wasn't it?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerPerhaps! I perfectly understand the logic of your post and used to discuss the same way on several threads.
And The claws did not cut him because Wolverine simply doesn't have enough strength to cut through Colossus with them. If someone stronger had the claws, the result could be different.
So still it's:...since nothing (not even adamantium claws and a nuke) has proven to be able to really damage Colossus organic steel, we have no way of knowing how durable it actually is.
Wolverine cant cut through Omega Reds tentacles either. Its not like its a big hunk of metal like Colossus where he would need lots of strength to penetrate. The tentacles have the dameter of about a 20oz soda bottle if that, yet he still cant cut through them. When it comes to Colossus, eventhough he doesnt have the strength to stab Colossus, he should at least be able to slice/cut him. However he doesnt. Those just might be the 2 of the metals Wolvie cant cut.
We don't no exactly what Colossus armor is identified as so we don't no if its as durable as adamantium or not. It appears to be just as durable if not more durable actually.
Miniature nuke or not does it not do the same thing as a full size nuke just in a smaller radius? I mean it is comics anythings possible.
Weren't Wolverine's claws able to cut through Hulk's hide which according to the marvel handbook has a 6 in durability counting the healing factor?
Darkcrawler just to let you know it has been stated that Ultimate Colossus is at a different strength lv than 616 Colossus. It's stated that Ultimate Colossus can lift thousands of tons, and his peak hasn't been reached yet. It's stated that 616 Colossus can only lift hundreds of tons. There has been nothing stated that Ultimate Magneto is any different than his 616 counterpart.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
We don't no exactly what Colossus armor is identified as so we don't no if its as durable as adamantium or not. It appears to be just as durable if not more durable actually.
Its identified as organic metal. Is it more durable than Adamantium? I doubt it. However Wolverine cant even make slice marks in it. All he did was make sparks. Wolverine isnt the weakest out there, but if adamantium is indeed stronger, he should at least be able to make marks in Colossus. Especially when it comes to Omega Red's tentacles. Youd think that carbonadium is weaker than adamantium so Wolvie should have been sliced them off, yet he cant. Id put them in the same category.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Weren't Wolverine's claws able to cut through Hulk's hide which according to the marvel handbook has a 6 in durability counting the healing factor?
True, but you have to take into fact that Hulks skin isnt tougher than Colossus's armor. Hulk can sustain more damage than Colossus, but like youve stated Wolverine was/has been able to slice Hulks skin. Hell, hes even gutted Hulk before. But we all know Hulk is more durable than Colossus overall. Kinda funny to me.
Thats what I dont understand, how can Hulk be more durable than Colossus if he gets gutted by the same person who can even scratch Colossus? Hulk's ribs were also broken by the same person who couldn't touch Colossus.
Organic Steel explains nothing I mean yea its a name, but if it was truly steel than it wouldn't be ablt to withstand near as much as Colossus does.
http://www.answers.com/topic/colossus-comics?method=22
Ultimate Colossus is virtually unstoppable for by no means is he the equivalent to his 616 counterpart for he has shown to be far stronger. Piotr has the ability to transform his body from flesh and blood into organic steel, giving him superhuman strength and making him impervious to harm. Supposedly his power has not yet fully developed because of his youth. Some say that Colossus armor in the Ultimate continuity is stronger than even adamantium, but this has not yet been proven.
In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown, but possibly extra dimensional.
Ultimate Colossus possesses vast superhuman strength, the limits of which have not been revealed. Ultimate Colossus strength was sufficient enough for him to battle powerhouses such as Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Ironman, and Ultimate Magneto placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons with ease. This makes him one of the most physically powerful beings, if not the most powerful, in the Ultimate Universe.
Aside from his incredible strength, Ultimate Colossus' steel skin possesses an amazing degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to battle with some of the strongest characters of the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Colossus armor is so great it can withstand a blast from a nuke, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures far less than that of Pluto to temperatures greater than that of the Sun, exposure to vacuum environments, direct contact with molting lava, strikes from Wolverines adamantium claws, etc without sustaining the slightest injury. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body also cannot rust. A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans, granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus has demonstrated no need to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form.
In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable (in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot). Also, unlike the "normal" Colossus, when he is knocked unconscious he remains in whatever form he was in (see the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline). Also, this version of Colossus is immune to Cyclops's optic blasts. This proves useful when they are fighting the Russian Mafia in a search for Mr. Sinister.
Although Colossus has been knocked out he has yet to be physically damaged or harmed in the Ultimate Universe. This version of Colossus also seems to have exceptional hand to hand fighting skills which he learned possibly from his close friend Wolverine. Most Characters with superhuman strength such as Hulk tend to lack real fighting skills having always had the luxury of relying on brute force alone. Ultimate Colossus also gains athletic agility, and speed whereas most characters with superhuman strength are physically bulky and slow.
In the Ultimate Universe only Hulk seems to be able to match Colossus strength, a for it seems that when Colossus puts his mind to something only he himself can stop his actions. This is shown when he overcomes Magneto’s influence, Stops a speeding train dead in its tracks, and carries a k-14 sub from the bottom of the Ocean miles from shore.
Steel? no this is much stronger
I think people are starting to get the 616 and Ultimate versions mixed up again. To my Knowledge Ult. Wolv hasn't yet fought Omega Red. Also Ult Hulk seems nowhere near as durable as Colossus. Not only has he been damaged by severl conventional attacks but he doesn't even seem to possess his vaunted Healing Factor either.
Originally posted by Warmonger
I think people are starting to get the 616 and Ultimate versions mixed up again. To my Knowledge Ult. Wolv hasn't yet fought Omega Red. Also Ult Hulk seems nowhere near as durable as Colossus. Not only has he been damaged by severl conventional attacks but he doesn't even seem to possess his vaunted Healing Factor either.
don't really read ultimate. So does the Hulk have his get stronger as I get angrier thing?
Ultimate colossus has more strength and durability feats than ultimate Hulk so far. But this being a marvel publication, its like an unwritten rule...when it comes to bricks, nobody outmuscles the hulk. I think its easier to penetrate hulks hide, but his insane healing factor more than makes up for it i guess....whats up with marvel? why is it always wolverine vs the hulk or thing...let colossus go up against them. It would be a great brawl.
