Anakin Skywalker Vs Mace Windu

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Originally posted by Razielim
Obi-Wan stretched out the fight until Anakin did something stupid. Anakin lost because Kenobi knew all of his moves and because he was emotionally blinded and overwhelemed by grief. He couldn't concentrate when Padme turned against him. Obi-Wan won (don't get me wrong, he was the greater warrior due to him controlling his emotions and using his resources), but Anakin was the more skilled fighter even while emotionally blinded and overwhelmed by grief ("This is the end for you my master". Anakin looks fine and Obi-Wan is panting like crazy).

The only people above/near Anakin are Yoda, Dooku, Mace, Emperor and Kenobi.


What about the emotions Obi-Wan was going through. First his own men betrays him. Then he finds out the jedi are all being killed. He then discoverers Anakin had helped attack the temple, killed younglings and had gone over on to the dark side. He was then forced to track down Anakin. He then witnesses Anakin harm Padme. The woman Anakin had loved more then any other person. He then realizes how far Anakin was and knew that he had to have been stopped and he had to be the one to do it. Obi-Wan loved Anakin like he was his brother. Obi-Wan just managed to control his emotions better. Though at the end he was crying. You could not see any tears cause the intense heat of the planet kept evaperating his tears.

Originally posted by Razielim
Of course not, but Obi-Wan has far better control over his emotions. This contributed to his victory and the fact that he was the better fighter.

Precicely. Obi-Wan was the better fighter.

Originally posted by Razielim
His wife that he did all this crap for just left him. That indeed could have made him mad, but Anakin has been trained as a peaceful Jedi and has no real Sith training. Does he know how to control his anger yet?

He seemed to be using his anger okay here...:

Originally posted by Razielim
Was his anger really helping him?

That depends if he was actually able to control it. If indeed he was using it, then all it did was put him to a level Obi-Wan was capable of defending against, but not overpowering. If he wasn't using it constructively, then it wasn't helping him.

Originally posted by Razielim
Yep, and he's also 30 years younger than Mace.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that he would be able to beat Mace. As I said before, Anakin cut Mace's hand off with a chickenshit move that Mace had no way of avoiding, it was not done in actual one on one combat, just as when he cut Count Dooku's hands off it was a chickenshit move (physically overpowering an old man then cutting his hands off) rather than having superior fencing skills.

Yes, Obi-Wan was going through a lot. He had better control over his emotions. I addressed that. Read.

that was to Jul, btw.

Originally posted by Razielim
Yes, Obi-Wan was going through a lot. He had better control over his emotions. I addressed that. Read.

that was to Jul, btw.

I was just going into more detail on what he was going through

Originally posted by overlord
[B]Yeah, just stop using the force, eh? Sure buddy, whatever you say. He suddenly went on fighting like normal people do, didn't he so he wouldn't exidently kill Anakin.
And if he in some weird way made Anakin more powerful then he should have anticipated and not get surprised or overpowered like he did.
I don't know if you make things up but it makes no sense that Dooku would begin holding back and make sure he gets overpowered like he did. Whatever, you people just wouldn't like the idea of Anakin being better than Dooku. Maybe Anakin was more in tune with the force! Maybe that's how he reacted better!

No...what makes no sense is that Dooku was completely owning Obi-Wan and Anakin and suddenly Anakin "pwns" him. Did he suddenly receive a uber skill boost in the few seconds between Dooku slapping him and Obi-Wan around and the second he cut Dooku's hand off ? I don't think so. The only explanation is that he used his anger which made him stronger or simply surprised Dooku in that particular situation.


You're retarded, why do you suddenly bring that up again when I'm saying that toying doesn't involve lowering your defenses or lowering your attention span.

I'm retarded ? Nice way of debating, idiot. The point is that you brought up the topic of "toying" (Did I say Dooku toyed with Anakin ? No !) when I just said that he didn't went all out against Anakin and was surprised by Anakin suddenly using his anger and coming up with quite "unusual" fighting moves for a Jedi (cutting the hands of your opponent off). There is a difference between this and "toying" with your opponent. The fact remains that Dooku controlled the fight rather easily when he was facing Obi-Wan and Anakin together.


Nah, it's not the lack of control. Mace Windu is just far better than Dooku and probably better than Anakin as well so you can stop the "If Mace and Dooku are basically equal, and Anakin beat Dooku, he must beat Mace" you accuse people of.

I "accuse" people off ? Lmao. Look at the thread and read some of the pro-Anakin posts. This is exactly the argument most people presented here so far. What a strange coincidence - isn't it ? And how should I understand your post if you start arguing that Anakin defeated Dooku fair and square ? Did you ever develop the idea that people could view this as an extend of the "Anakin > Dooku, Dooku = Mace, so Anakin > Mace" argument ? No...of course not. Developing ideas is beyond you, correct ?

No...what makes no sense is that Dooku was completely owning Obi-Wan and Anakin and suddenly Anakin "pwns" him. Did he suddenly receive a uber skill boost in the few seconds between Dooku slapping him and Obi-Wan around and the second he cut Dooku's hand off ? I don't think so. The only explanation is that he used his anger which made him stronger or simply surprised Dooku in that particular situation.

Completely owning Obi Wan and Anakin by starting to fight serious, wow. And then Anakin pwns him? You can talk in a normal fashion to me, borborad.
Anakin starts using fighting serious aswell and kicks Dooku off the stage only to defeat him in a duel where they are both fighting at their best. And yes, the fighting style Anakin uses is pretty agressive. So is Mace his Vaapad.
Who cares.. Dooku couldn't keep up and was outmanouvered.
I'm retarded ? Nice way of debating, idiot. The point is that you brought up the topic of "toying" (Did I say Dooku toyed with Anakin ? No !) when I just said that he didn't went all out against Anakin and was surprised by Anakin suddenly using his anger and coming up with quite "unusual" fighting moves for a Jedi (cutting the hands of your opponent off). There is a difference between this and "toying" with your opponent. The fact remains that Dooku controlled the fight rather easily when he was facing Obi-Wan and Anakin together.

Ever considered that Anakin and Obi Wan started out not serious and when Dooku punished them for that, that Anakin really began using his full knowledge of fighting? Dooku also didn't really control the fight at first, he still wasn't serious aswell and merely retaliated.
You're still retarded by suddenly bringing up the "Anakin > Dooku, Dooku = Mace, so Anakin > Mace" line though. What was that all about..
I "accuse" people off ? Lmao. Look at the thread and read some of the pro-Anakin posts. This is exactly the argument most people presented here so far. What a strange coincidence - isn't it ? And how should I understand your post if you start arguing that Anakin defeated Dooku fair and square ? Did you ever develop the idea that people could view this as an extend of the "Anakin > Dooku, Dooku = Mace, so Anakin > Mace" argument ? No...of course not. Developing ideas is beyond you, correct ?

You constantly say use that line even when I was talking about the basic logic that Dooku won't let his hands get torn off (AKA losing) when he is supposed to not fight serious (AKA attacking).
You exagurate the amount that line is used and the people who use it should be ignored anyway. We're talking about how Anakin is supposed to be way below Mace and Dooku now. Mace is way better than Dooku with his perfected Vaapad skills, Dooku just isn't that great compared to both.
But you probably want to laugh your ass off only to that dumb "Anakin > Dooku, Dooku = Mace, so Anakin > Mace" line as it is easy to go against. Just don't bring it up when unnecessary.

As for the thread in question. I don't think Anakin can beat Mace Windu, although I'm not too sure but Dooku would NEVER beat Mace Windu at the time of ROTS in any case.

Originally posted by overlord
Completely owning Obi Wan and Anakin by starting to fight serious, wow. And then Anakin pwns him? You can talk in a normal fashion to me, borborad.

I consider this to be a joke coming from the guy who called me "retarded".


Ever considered that Anakin and Obi Wan started out not serious and when Dooku punished them for that, that Anakin really began using his full knowledge of fighting? Dooku also didn't really control the fight at first, he still wasn't serious aswell and merely retaliated.
You're still retarded by suddenly bringing up the "Anakin > Dooku, Dooku = Mace, so Anakin > Mace" line though. What was that all about..

Lmao. Yes...of course. Anakin and Obi-Wan won't fight serious against an opponent that completely destroyed them during their last confrontation - despite of the fact that they have a hostage sitting around next to them and the fact that Dooku is one of the two leaders of the CIS and possibly the most dangerous (known) enemy for the Jedi at this time period. What dumbass would not fight serious against an opponent like that ?
And get yourself a dictionary and have a look at the word "retarded" you pathetic excuse for an intelligent life-form.


You constantly say use that line even when I was talking about the basic logic that Dooku won't let his hands get torn off (AKA losing) when he is supposed to not fight serious (AKA attacking).

And you constantly come up with this line when this has nothing to do with Anakin vs Mace. The only "logic" to even bring Dooku up is to start with Mace and Dooku being equals. Otherwise you're simply off topic here since the topic says "Anakin vs Mace" and not "Anakin vs Dooku".

Of course Dooku won't let his hands get torn off. But if he didn't go all out on Anakin this particular event might have been prevented by doing so. We have seen him handling his weapon and blast people with force lightning in the same second before (against Sora Bulq). Why shouldn't he be able to do the same thing against Anakin who basically doesn't have any chance to block Dooku's saber and a force attack (Dooku can use his off-hand as he never uses both hands against Anakin) ?


You exagurate the amount that line is used and the people who use it should be ignored anyway. We're talking about how Anakin is supposed to be way below Mace and Dooku now. Mace is way better than Dooku with his perfected Vaapad skills, Dooku just isn't that great compared to both.
But you probably want to laugh your ass off only to that dumb "Anakin > Dooku, Dooku = Mace, so Anakin > Mace" line as it is easy to go against. Just don't bring it up when unnecessary.

Yes...Dooku isn't that great compared to Anakin and Mace. Of course. He is just a dude that had more then 6 decades of force training, more than a decade of Sith training. He was mentioned to be one of the most powerful Jedi of the last centuries, his saber skills were only rivaled by Mace and Yoda and we've seen him being able to escape from a duel with his old master Yoda.
But somehow he's less impressive than the guy who got his limbs chopped off by Obi-Wan Kenobi whom Dooku manhandled without any effort in both RotS and AotC.


As for the thread in question. I don't think Anakin can beat Mace Windu, although I'm not too sure but Dooku would NEVER beat Mace Windu at the time of ROTS in any case.

He couldn't ? What makes you so sure ? Mace improved over the years, yes. Dooku did too as Yoda himself says in AotC. Considering that Dooku was the number 3 Jedi of the era so far (at least until Anakin has shown up) why would he not able to overcome Mace ?
In their only confrontation during the Clone Wars neither of them was able to claim an advantage over the other - Dooku just went out of the situation. But the fight even then could have ended either way. Just to claim that Mace will just defeat Dooku or Dooku would never be able to defeat Mace is outright hilarious.

Originally posted by Borbarad
[B]I consider this to be a joke coming from the guy who called me "retarded".
What? Are you upset or do you need to laugh your ass off? You say that Dooku was owning both Anakin and Obi Wan at the beginning of the fight. Yeah, he obtains the upper hand for a second by starting to fight seriously. You people with your owning and pwning nonsense. Talk serious.

Lmao. Yes...of course. Anakin and Obi-Wan won't fight serious against an opponent that completely destroyed them during their last confrontation - despite of the fact that they have a hostage sitting around next to them and the fact that Dooku is one of the two leaders of the CIS and possibly the most dangerous (known) enemy for the Jedi at this time period. What dumbass would not fight serious against an opponent like that ?
And get yourself a dictionary and have a look at the word "retarded" you pathetic excuse for an intelligent life-form.

The fight was just beginning, and they were pretty cocky as they learned a whole of a lot more. Of course it takes a while to get a fight started, what do you expect? Whirlwinds of sabers shooting at each other without any form of hesitation or testing out opponents, start thinking.
Go laugh your ass off or cry that I call you a retard instead of arguing.

And you constantly come up with this line when this has nothing to do with Anakin vs Mace. The only "logic" to even bring Dooku up is to start with Mace and Dooku being equals. Otherwise you're simply off topic here since the topic says "Anakin vs Mace" and not "Anakin vs Dooku".

Of course Dooku won't let his hands get torn off. But if he didn't go all out on Anakin this particular event might have been prevented by doing so. We have seen him handling his weapon and blast people with force lightning in the same second before (against Sora Bulq). Why shouldn't he be able to do the same thing against Anakin who basically doesn't have any chance to block Dooku's saber and a force attack (Dooku can use his off-hand as he never uses both hands against Anakin) ?


That's a dumb assumption, by now you must have finally read that I don't bring up Dooku to say that Anakin can defeat him aswell because you think Dooku is on the same level as Mace. Sorry, you fail.

I am just sick of all this Dooku fanboyism and I am the only one who responds to it apperantly. That's why I am talking about it here again.

And boohoohoo, yeah, why didn't he blast off Anakin with the force? Maybe because force lightning means crap next to a slash of a lightsaber. Anakin is prepared anyway, as if he would let himself be electrocuted again. Not that it would decide the fight by default anyway.
The fight went way too fast when they started playing seriously to even consider finding a right moment to unleash force lightning.

Yes...Dooku isn't that great compared to Anakin and Mace. Of course. He is just a dude that had more then 6 decades of force training, more than a decade of Sith training. He was mentioned to be one of the most powerful Jedi of the last centuries, his saber skills were only rivaled by Mace and Yoda and we've seen him being able to escape from a duel with his old master Yoda.
But somehow he's less impressive than the guy who got his limbs chopped off by Obi-Wan Kenobi whom Dooku manhandled without any effort in both RotS and AotC.

There is still something like being force sensitive in the world of SW. No matter how much of a swords master you can become, you don't upgrade your awareness in the force.
And wow! He managed to hold off Yoda and escape! That's the best argument to Dooku being a top dog I have heard! That will be going in my profile!
He couldn't ? What makes you so sure ? Mace improved over the years, yes. Dooku did too as Yoda himself says in AotC. Considering that Dooku was the number 3 Jedi of the era so far (at least until Anakin has shown up) why would he not able to overcome Mace ?
In their only confrontation during the Clone Wars neither of them was able to claim an advantage over the other - Dooku just went out of the situation. But the fight even then could have ended either way. Just to claim that Mace will just defeat Dooku or Dooku would never be able to defeat Mace is outright hilarious.

Yeah, unfortunately Dooku didn't perfect and complete a whole new style of fighting. You'll have to be pretty good at improvising to deal with a style you don't know as well. And you can find it hilarious as much as you want but Mace still bested Dooku's master. Dooku's great improvement of going sith wasn't so spectacular, if anything.. Sith fail, just look at Anakin going steaming mad, losing focus, not being able to defeat his former master, jumping in lava.
But I just think it's logical to assume that Mace Windu is far superior to almost all jedi and also Count Dooku. Maybe Anakin would be able to defeat him without getting all nervous and shit but I doubt it.

Just look where Sidious stranded with his supposed knowledge of multiple lightsaber styles. Both Sidious and Count Dooku were defeated fair and square all though nobody like the idea.
Actually, I don't like it either but it's all I see from the movies and not otherwise, how beautiful the theory may be.

Ok i just have to ask you something in sideuos versus mace.

Mace isnt 20 times better then kit fisto in lightsaber combat. And mace wouldnt be able to take out 3 jedi masters in some seconds.

We start in the fight:
Mace is attacking, and sideous shows that he was able to either slay mace with the lightsaber, or give him an electric shower.

As we move over to anakin:
When you see anakin standing and crying, he is thinking on what sideous said. The cool thing is that he hear:
"I HAVE THE POWER TO SAVE THE ONE YOU LOVE".
What is cool about this?, well the cool thing is that sideous never says that. He is actully telling anakin telepatic to join him.

Back to the fight:
Sideous is using force lightning. The worste thing is that he would be able to push mace out into the air. And another point is that he use the lightning untill Mace drops one hand, he actully stops using lightning exactly when he lose his guard.
The funny thing is that you would problaby say that he is to weak to use more. But the EVEN more funny thing is that sideous can use lightning right after anakin cuted mace hand of.

Now head to lightning:
Why would lightning make your teeths yellow, why would it make you look older. Then you can say "But it does, you have no proof it doesnt". But why arent Luke transforming into old grandpa, when sideous use his lightning against Luke.

Ok overlord.. im just really tired of you...

Originally posted by Count Kent
In ROTS alone, he killed Dooku (may have been lucky and Dooku may have been toying with him and holding back and trying to turn him to the dark side, however it is still pretty impressive), purged the jedi (may have been mostly younglings and knights with lots of help from clones, but still impressive), defeated Cin Drallig (who was incredible) and many of his students including Serra Keto, defeated Jocastu Nu who had once been on the council, defeated Shaak Ti, defeated Stass Allie and many other masters, and was able to outclass and toy with his master when he himself was in fact not in the best conditions to fight and only lost because he was complacent, arrogant and unlucky.

Fool Stass was the one killed on a Speeder Bike Shaak Ti was killed while Meditating and Cin was not on the Council. Jocasta Nu was killed whie being choked and then Stabbed before Reacting son don't BS me Kent 😠

http://www.google-fight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Anakin+Skywalker&word2=Mace+Windu
Sorry to say it, but I still think Mace would wtf pwn him

Originally posted by Count Kent
I also believe that he is skilled but not the best, but putting other council members like Mundi and Secura is plain rediculous.

Secura WAS NOT ON THE COUNCIL she was a KNIGHT 😠

Originally posted by overlord
What? Are you upset or do you need to laugh your ass off? You say that Dooku was owning both Anakin and Obi Wan at the beginning of the fight. Yeah, he obtains the upper hand for a second by starting to fight seriously. You people with your owning and pwning nonsense. Talk serious.

What ? Excuse me. You can see him blocking both at once one handed and then he almost effortlessly took Obi-Wan out of the fight (force choke, throw) while kicking Anakin through the room who was trying to attack him from behind. How much superiority does somebody has to show ?


The fight was just beginning, and they were pretty cocky as they learned a whole of a lot more. Of course it takes a while to get a fight started, what do you expect? Whirlwinds of sabers shooting at each other without any form of hesitation or testing out opponents, start thinking.

Did you see the same movie I did see ? The fight was just starting ? Somehow I do remember that Obi-Wan already took out the droids, they launched some attacks on Dooku, Anakin gave us his famous "I've become twice as powerful since we met last time, Count" line.

Testing out opponents that they allready faced ? Anakin and Obi-Wan both knew how strong Dooku was not to mention that they were fighting 2 vs 1. They totally needed to hesitate and "test out the opponent" right - especially until the point when more than half of the fight was over and Dooku took out Obi-Wan and floored Anakin with a backkick, right ?
And then suddently, after his fellow has been taken out of the fight, Anakin decides that this might be the right time to start fighting serious. Excuse me...but if you "test" your opponent so long or "hesistate" in a 2 vs 1 situation that one of your team gets taken out of the fight you're obviously acting too dumb to be a trained warrior.


Go laugh your ass off or cry that I call you a retard instead of arguing.

Wow. You just discovered new valleys of infantility in the high mountains of idiocy. Congrats.


That's a dumb assumption, by now you must have finally read that I don't bring up Dooku to say that Anakin can defeat him aswell because you think Dooku is on the same level as Mace. Sorry, you fail.

I am just sick of all this Dooku fanboyism and I am the only one who responds to it apperantly. That's why I am talking about it here again.

What is this here ? Dooku fanboyism against Anakin fanboyism ?


And boohoohoo, yeah, why didn't he blast off Anakin with the force? Maybe because force lightning means crap next to a slash of a lightsaber. Anakin is prepared anyway, as if he would let himself be electrocuted again. Not that it would decide the fight by default anyway.

You did realize that Dooku fights with one hand and uses Sith lightning with one hand, right ? And how would Anakin block lightning and Dooku's saber at once with his saber ? And no...it wouldn't decide the fight. How long did Dooku knock Anakin off with a single blast in AotC ?


The fight went way too fast when they started playing seriously to even consider finding a right moment to unleash force lightning.
There is still something like being force sensitive in the world of SW. No matter how much of a swords master you can become, you don't upgrade your awareness in the force.
And wow! He managed to hold off Yoda and escape! That's the best argument to Dooku being a top dog I have heard! That will be going in my profile!

No. The best argument for Dooku being a top dog is the fact that he and Yoda were the two only people who ever defeated Mace Windu in lightsaber duel. Not to mention Gillard leveling him a level 9 duellist (as Yoda, Mace, Sidious and ROTS Anakin only) and so on.
And wow...force sensitivity. You mean like Obi-Wan (possibly the Jedi with less force potential ever) stalemating Anakin (the Jedi with the greatest force potential ever) in a force contest while Dooku is just one of the most powerful individuals the Jedi Order has seen in the last centuries ?


Yeah, unfortunately Dooku didn't perfect and complete a whole new style of fighting.

Unfortunately Dooku did beat Mace before and is the master of the "ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat".


You'll have to be pretty good at improvising to deal with a style you don't know as well.

Yes. Dooku wouldn't know Mace style since it's mentioned that they were good friends (read Shatterpoint) and spared quite often and Mace didn't manage to beat him up to the time of TPM after practicing Vaapad for almost 3 decades.


And you can find it hilarious as much as you want but Mace still bested Dooku's master. Dooku's great improvement of going sith wasn't so spectacular, if anything.. Sith fail, just look at Anakin going steaming mad, losing focus, not being able to defeat his former master, jumping in lava.

Oh my. The level 9 duellist, master of another level 9 duellist was beaten by another level 9 duellist ? Not that you only assume that Sidious is far superior to Dooku in terms of lightsaber handling...you're pretty good at using the "Because A>B and B>C, A must be > C" logic that you said I was "accusing" you off. "Because Mace was able to beat Sidious and Sidious was Dooku's master, Mace must be able to beat Dooku". Sounds familiar, huh ?


But I just think it's logical to assume that Mace Windu is far superior to almost all jedi and also Count Dooku. Maybe Anakin would be able to defeat him without getting all nervous and shit but I doubt it.

Hello...Dooku and Yoda where the only people able to beat Mace but suddenly Mace is "far superior" to Dooku ? Why ? Dooku became much stronger because of using the Dark Side (stated by himself and Yoda as well) - Mace on the other handside grew stronger because of his war experience. Still you can't take two equals, give them both 13 years of experience and therefore more power and than say one of them must be far superior to the other. That is far away from being "logical"...


Just look where Sidious stranded with his supposed knowledge of multiple lightsaber styles. Both Sidious and Count Dooku were defeated fair and square all though nobody like the idea.
Actually, I don't like it either but it's all I see from the movies and not otherwise, how beautiful the theory may be.

They still weren't beaten clearly. Or let me put it in other words: You can't say that Mace will always beat Sidious or Anakin will always beat Dooku because of the circumstances the fights happened in and the fact that they were all rated to be equally good in terms of lightsaber combat with some advantage / weakness caused by their respective styles and movement preferences.
Not to mention that Dooku and Sidious were both defeated by rather "unconventional" or "surprising" moves of their opponents.

What ? Excuse me. You can see him blocking both at once one handed and then he almost effortlessly took Obi-Wan out of the fight (force choke, throw) while kicking Anakin through the room who was trying to attack him from behind. How much superiority does somebody has to show ?

Hahaha, the fight started out stupid, they slashed a bit and began to babble again, Anakin just pointed his sword to the ground when Dooku blocked Obi Wan. They talked and went further with apperantly testing each other. (I heard they even used other dueling styles or something but who cares)
Dooku retaliates and starts fighting serious and punishes them both, yes this is a sign of superiority (something wich may have impressed you a bit too much) but it was only for a short moment.
Then Anakin began fighting seriously with Shienn and they began fighting at a good way.
Did you see the same movie I did see ? The fight was just starting ? Somehow I do remember that Obi-Wan already took out the droids, they launched some attacks on Dooku, Anakin gave us his famous "I've become twice as powerful since we met last time, Count" line.

Testing out opponents that they allready faced ? Anakin and Obi-Wan both knew how strong Dooku was not to mention that they were fighting 2 vs 1. They totally needed to hesitate and "test out the opponent" right - especially until the point when more than half of the fight was over and Dooku took out Obi-Wan and floored Anakin with a backkick, right ?
And then suddently, after his fellow has been taken out of the fight, Anakin decides that this might be the right time to start fighting serious. Excuse me...but if you "test" your opponent so long or "hesistate" in a 2 vs 1 situation that one of your team gets taken out of the fight you're obviously acting too dumb to be a trained warrior.


Awww.. You don't believe it right? And you are talking about the impressive retaliation of Count Dooku again? Well, Anakin and Obi Wan learned a hell of a lot more and the last time they fought was way different. I assume they thought they could take him out, no problem. They didn't know he was also not fighting seriously at the beginning up until he punishes them and especially Obi Wan.
But you may continue your believes that they weren't cocky (and by that I mean Kenobi) and they really gave their best immediately. I will just ignore you in that case.
Wow. You just discovered new valleys of infantility in the high mountains of idiocy. Congrats.

At least I don't have to constantly mention that I am laughing my ass off behind my computer, idiot.
What is this here ? Dooku fanboyism against Anakin fanboyism ?

WOWZERS!! You discovered the whole secret!! Not that I am a dumbass like you all but at least the one I am defending indeed defeated the one you are all defending. Go cry some more and make up some more theories to why Dooku didn't lost fair and square.
You did realize that Dooku fights with one hand and uses Sith lightning with one hand, right ? And how would Anakin block lightning and Dooku's saber at once with his saber ? And no...it wouldn't decide the fight. How long did Dooku knock Anakin off with a single blast in AotC ?

If you start screaming that Dooku could always win because he has two hands in a lightning fast duel then you should ask yourself why Dooku and Sidious don't win every duel by using force lightning. Oh yeah, your theory is that they ALWAYS hold back.. Hmm.. I don't think I believe much of that crap..
No. The best argument for Dooku being a top dog is the fact that he and Yoda were the two only people who ever defeated Mace Windu in lightsaber duel. Not to mention Gillard leveling him a level 9 duellist (as Yoda, Mace, Sidious and ROTS Anakin only) and so on.
And wow...force sensitivity. You mean like Obi-Wan (possibly the Jedi with less force potential ever) stalemating Anakin (the Jedi with the greatest force potential ever) in a force contest while Dooku is just one of the most powerful individuals the Jedi Order has seen in the last centuries ?

Ahh.. All that crap about Yoda and Dooku having beaten Mace some time. I didn't saw them do it in ROTS and frankly, I don't care.. All I know is that Mace did some way more impressive sabering than Dooku.
About force sensitivity (oh, the force is strong in this one!), sure it means nothing anymore to you, doesn't it? That suits you fine in this argument.
So Anakin didn't manage to get the upper hand on Obi Wan, I say he should've stayed calm, then he'd stand a chance. But who cares, the circumstances in the Dooku/Anakin fight are way different. And what is your definition of power in this "Dooku is most powerful they evar saw!!11!!11" line?
Unfortunately Dooku did beat Mace before and is the master of the "ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat".

Is that your answer to that Dooku never came up with a whole new fighting style? Don't bother anymore in that case. You aren't forced to say something to every sentance I make. Just make it relevant. Mace Windu completed that f*cking Vaapad and even managed to get Sidious beat who is by his own right the master of Dooku. Just let it go, people became better than Dooku, you aren't losing sleep over this fact I hope?
Yes. Dooku wouldn't know Mace style since it's mentioned that they were good friends (read Shatterpoint) and spared quite often and Mace didn't manage to beat him up to the time of TPM after practicing Vaapad for almost 3 decades.

I suppose they spent training together in cool EU BS right until ROTS and Mace finally completing the form, otherwise what you are telling me is mighty irrelevent.
Oh my. The level 9 duellist, master of another level 9 duellist was beaten by another level 9 duellist ? Not that you only assume that Sidious is far superior to Dooku in terms of lightsaber handling...you're pretty good at using the "Because A>B and B>C, A must be > C" logic that you said I was "accusing" you off. "Because Mace was able to beat Sidious and Sidious was Dooku's master, Mace must be able to beat Dooku". Sounds familiar, huh ?

At least I go by the movies instead of level this and that and goku powerlevel 9. But yes, Mace can probably overcome Dooku aswell. The things Dooku showed in ROTS weren't so impressive unfortunately.
Hey, maybe Sidious was overcome just because of the unknown new way of dueling! Who knows! Mace his reaction skills were pretty fine though to beat the lord of the sith, if Anakin already could surprise Dooku, I am sure Mace can aswell. Who cares anyway..
Hello...Dooku and Yoda where the only people able to beat Mace but suddenly Mace is "far superior" to Dooku ? Why ? Dooku became much stronger because of using the Dark Side (stated by himself and Yoda as well) - Mace on the other handside grew stronger because of his war experience. Still you can't take two equals, give them both 13 years of experience and therefore more power and than say one of them must be far superior to the other. That is far away from being "logical"...

Yeah yeah, they supposedly have beaten Mace in the past. He's a prodigy or something or a fast learner, who cares.. He just improved massively for some reason wich may be a bit contradictory to some EU material or something, who cares.. He showed he could beat Sidious in a fair duel and Sidious is no easy opponent. You just may have to consider that Mace indeed came to the level of Yoda or something.. Would this upset you?
They still weren't beaten clearly. Or let me put it in other words: You can't say that Mace will always beat Sidious or Anakin will always beat Dooku because of the circumstances the fights happened in and the fact that they were all rated to be equally good in terms of lightsaber combat with some advantage / weakness caused by their respective styles and movement preferences.
Not to mention that Dooku and Sidious were both defeated by rather "unconventional" or "surprising" moves of their opponents.

What in the world would Lucas have to do or film to convince people that Dooku and Sidious were beaten in a duel! I don't think any fight is clear enough for most of you. It is for me though.. But I agree, Sidious could probably win in a rematch just like Dooku could. Lightsabers aren't really that predictable but just what are you trying to say with this?

Let's get back to the topic.. Can Anakin beat Mace Windu? You somehow seem to place mace under Dooku and Yoda so are you saying Anakin can do it? I for one think Mace is better than Anakin (and Dooku aswell by the way) so I have made my points for this topic.

Originally posted by Kaithen
Ok i just have to ask you something in sideuos versus mace.

Mace isnt 20 times better then kit fisto in lightsaber combat. And mace wouldnt be able to take out 3 jedi masters in some seconds.

We start in the fight:
Mace is attacking, and sideous shows that he was able to either slay mace with the lightsaber, or give him an electric shower.

As we move over to anakin:
When you see anakin standing and crying, he is thinking on what sideous said. The cool thing is that he hear:
"I HAVE THE POWER TO SAVE THE ONE YOU LOVE".
What is cool about this?, well the cool thing is that sideous never says that. He is actully telling anakin telepatic to join him.

Back to the fight:
Sideous is using force lightning. The worste thing is that he would be able to push mace out into the air. And another point is that he use the lightning untill Mace drops one hand, he actully stops using lightning exactly when he lose his guard.
The funny thing is that you would problaby say that he is to weak to use more. But the EVEN more funny thing is that sideous can use lightning right after anakin cuted mace hand of.

Now head to lightning:
Why would lightning make your teeths yellow, why would it make you look older. Then you can say "But it does, you have no proof it doesnt". But why arent Luke transforming into old grandpa, when sideous use his lightning against Luke.

Ok overlord.. im just really tired of you...

Overlord just answer this, before you continue to add shits..

Il answer.

1.) Mace is much better than Fisto. I'll give you that. Reason fisto got owned was because he was in a closed space and his style requires room to outmaneuver. I bet you Mace could take out 3 masters if they stood there like idiots not attacking.

2.) I saw the fight also. Most of the fight mace had the chance to finish him off as well. Reason he dident? He was there to apprehend him.

3.) Proof? Link please.

4.) WTf?

5.) Ok.....no comment on that. Wait.... maybe...
A possible reason Palps looks the way he looks after the lightning is not because of the energy deflecting back at him, but because the lightning is changing the "mask" he was wearing to keep himself safe from suspision. Maybe he as a sith before becoming the supreme chancellor he really did look all that distorted.

@ vious, no thats not controlling anger thats being controlled by anger.

As we move over to anakin:
When you see anakin standing and crying, he is thinking on what sideous said. The cool thing is that he hear:
"I HAVE THE POWER TO SAVE THE ONE YOU LOVE".
What is cool about this?, well the cool thing is that sideous never says that. He is actully telling anakin telepatic to join him.

*Just look at the movie, there isnt a link to the movie noobie 😛

Back to the fight:
Sideous is using force lightning. The worste thing is that he would be able to push mace out into the air. And another point is that he use the lightning untill Mace drops one hand, he actully stops using lightning exactly when he lose his guard.
The funny thing is that you would problaby say that he is to weak to use more. But the EVEN more funny thing is that sideous can use lightning right after anakin cuted mace hand of.

*Why would he be able to use lightning again after just waiting 5 seconds or something 😛

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
@ vious, no thats not controlling anger thats being controlled by anger.

Sorry, but I don't agree. Yes, Anakin was pissed off, but, he was able to use that anger to kill the Sand People. Had his anger been controlling him, then he would have made mistakes and got taken down by them.

Originally posted by Kaithen
As we move over to anakin:
When you see anakin standing and crying, he is thinking on what sideous said. The cool thing is that he hear:
"I HAVE THE POWER TO SAVE THE ONE YOU LOVE".
What is cool about this?, well the cool thing is that sideous never says that. He is actully telling anakin telepatic to join him.

*Just look at the movie, there isnt a link to the movie noobie 😛

Back to the fight:
Sideous is using force lightning. The worste thing is that he would be able to push mace out into the air. And another point is that he use the lightning untill Mace drops one hand, he actully stops using lightning exactly when he lose his guard.
The funny thing is that you would problaby say that he is to weak to use more. But the EVEN more funny thing is that sideous can use lightning right after anakin cuted mace hand of.

*Why would he be able to use lightning again after just waiting 5 seconds or something 😛

1.) I saw the movie. I hear sidious saying it. It comes out of his mouth. Nothing telepathic there "noobie."

2.) What!? Damn is it me or is anyone else having trouble understanding what he is talking about.