What ? Excuse me. You can see him blocking both at once one handed and then he almost effortlessly took Obi-Wan out of the fight (force choke, throw) while kicking Anakin through the room who was trying to attack him from behind. How much superiority does somebody has to show ?
Hahaha, the fight started out stupid, they slashed a bit and began to babble again, Anakin just pointed his sword to the ground when Dooku blocked Obi Wan. They talked and went further with apperantly testing each other. (I heard they even used other dueling styles or something but who cares)
Dooku retaliates and starts fighting serious and punishes them both, yes this is a sign of superiority (something wich may have impressed you a bit too much) but it was only for a short moment.
Then Anakin began fighting seriously with Shienn and they began fighting at a good way.
Did you see the same movie I did see ? The fight was just starting ? Somehow I do remember that Obi-Wan already took out the droids, they launched some attacks on Dooku, Anakin gave us his famous "I've become twice as powerful since we met last time, Count" line.Testing out opponents that they allready faced ? Anakin and Obi-Wan both knew how strong Dooku was not to mention that they were fighting 2 vs 1. They totally needed to hesitate and "test out the opponent" right - especially until the point when more than half of the fight was over and Dooku took out Obi-Wan and floored Anakin with a backkick, right ?
And then suddently, after his fellow has been taken out of the fight, Anakin decides that this might be the right time to start fighting serious. Excuse me...but if you "test" your opponent so long or "hesistate" in a 2 vs 1 situation that one of your team gets taken out of the fight you're obviously acting too dumb to be a trained warrior.
Awww.. You don't believe it right? And you are talking about the impressive retaliation of Count Dooku again? Well, Anakin and Obi Wan learned a hell of a lot more and the last time they fought was way different. I assume they thought they could take him out, no problem. They didn't know he was also not fighting seriously at the beginning up until he punishes them and especially Obi Wan.
But you may continue your believes that they weren't cocky (and by that I mean Kenobi) and they really gave their best immediately. I will just ignore you in that case.
Wow. You just discovered new valleys of infantility in the high mountains of idiocy. Congrats.
At least I don't have to constantly mention that I am laughing my ass off behind my computer, idiot.
What is this here ? Dooku fanboyism against Anakin fanboyism ?
WOWZERS!! You discovered the whole secret!! Not that I am a dumbass like you all but at least the one I am defending indeed defeated the one you are all defending. Go cry some more and make up some more theories to why Dooku didn't lost fair and square.
You did realize that Dooku fights with one hand and uses Sith lightning with one hand, right ? And how would Anakin block lightning and Dooku's saber at once with his saber ? And no...it wouldn't decide the fight. How long did Dooku knock Anakin off with a single blast in AotC ?
If you start screaming that Dooku could always win because he has two hands in a lightning fast duel then you should ask yourself why Dooku and Sidious don't win every duel by using force lightning. Oh yeah, your theory is that they ALWAYS hold back.. Hmm.. I don't think I believe much of that crap..
No. The best argument for Dooku being a top dog is the fact that he and Yoda were the two only people who ever defeated Mace Windu in lightsaber duel. Not to mention Gillard leveling him a level 9 duellist (as Yoda, Mace, Sidious and ROTS Anakin only) and so on.
And wow...force sensitivity. You mean like Obi-Wan (possibly the Jedi with less force potential ever) stalemating Anakin (the Jedi with the greatest force potential ever) in a force contest while Dooku is just one of the most powerful individuals the Jedi Order has seen in the last centuries ?
Ahh.. All that crap about Yoda and Dooku having beaten Mace some time. I didn't saw them do it in ROTS and frankly, I don't care.. All I know is that Mace did some way more impressive sabering than Dooku.
About force sensitivity (oh, the force is strong in this one!), sure it means nothing anymore to you, doesn't it? That suits you fine in this argument.
So Anakin didn't manage to get the upper hand on Obi Wan, I say he should've stayed calm, then he'd stand a chance. But who cares, the circumstances in the Dooku/Anakin fight are way different. And what is your definition of power in this "Dooku is most powerful they evar saw!!11!!11" line?
Unfortunately Dooku did beat Mace before and is the master of the "ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat".
Is that your answer to that Dooku never came up with a whole new fighting style? Don't bother anymore in that case. You aren't forced to say something to every sentance I make. Just make it relevant. Mace Windu completed that f*cking Vaapad and even managed to get Sidious beat who is by his own right the master of Dooku. Just let it go, people became better than Dooku, you aren't losing sleep over this fact I hope?
Yes. Dooku wouldn't know Mace style since it's mentioned that they were good friends (read Shatterpoint) and spared quite often and Mace didn't manage to beat him up to the time of TPM after practicing Vaapad for almost 3 decades.
I suppose they spent training together in cool EU BS right until ROTS and Mace finally completing the form, otherwise what you are telling me is mighty irrelevent.
Oh my. The level 9 duellist, master of another level 9 duellist was beaten by another level 9 duellist ? Not that you only assume that Sidious is far superior to Dooku in terms of lightsaber handling...you're pretty good at using the "Because A>B and B>C, A must be > C" logic that you said I was "accusing" you off. "Because Mace was able to beat Sidious and Sidious was Dooku's master, Mace must be able to beat Dooku". Sounds familiar, huh ?
At least I go by the movies instead of level this and that and goku powerlevel 9. But yes, Mace can probably overcome Dooku aswell. The things Dooku showed in ROTS weren't so impressive unfortunately.
Hey, maybe Sidious was overcome just because of the unknown new way of dueling! Who knows! Mace his reaction skills were pretty fine though to beat the lord of the sith, if Anakin already could surprise Dooku, I am sure Mace can aswell. Who cares anyway..
Hello...Dooku and Yoda where the only people able to beat Mace but suddenly Mace is "far superior" to Dooku ? Why ? Dooku became much stronger because of using the Dark Side (stated by himself and Yoda as well) - Mace on the other handside grew stronger because of his war experience. Still you can't take two equals, give them both 13 years of experience and therefore more power and than say one of them must be far superior to the other. That is far away from being "logical"...
Yeah yeah, they supposedly have beaten Mace in the past. He's a prodigy or something or a fast learner, who cares.. He just improved massively for some reason wich may be a bit contradictory to some EU material or something, who cares.. He showed he could beat Sidious in a fair duel and Sidious is no easy opponent. You just may have to consider that Mace indeed came to the level of Yoda or something.. Would this upset you?
They still weren't beaten clearly. Or let me put it in other words: You can't say that Mace will always beat Sidious or Anakin will always beat Dooku because of the circumstances the fights happened in and the fact that they were all rated to be equally good in terms of lightsaber combat with some advantage / weakness caused by their respective styles and movement preferences.
Not to mention that Dooku and Sidious were both defeated by rather "unconventional" or "surprising" moves of their opponents.
What in the world would Lucas have to do or film to convince people that Dooku and Sidious were beaten in a duel! I don't think any fight is clear enough for most of you. It is for me though.. But I agree, Sidious could probably win in a rematch just like Dooku could. Lightsabers aren't really that predictable but just what are you trying to say with this?
Let's get back to the topic.. Can Anakin beat Mace Windu? You somehow seem to place mace under Dooku and Yoda so are you saying Anakin can do it? I for one think Mace is better than Anakin (and Dooku aswell by the way) so I have made my points for this topic.