Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Who's they, everyone thinks it's okay, I didn't know you spoke to everyone in the world.
Neither did I. I was referring to the most likely outcome in a one on one situation.
East London is an extremely diverse place in terms of ethnicity. If I go out and say to each person "What race are you?"
What is the probable reply? Will they say their ethnicity or will they return with "Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct."? Don't answer with what's right and wrong, answer with what's likely, what's acceptable and what's offensive out of the two.
Originally posted by Lil Bitchiness
Please do exaplin how its used in an natural way.We are all bilogically the same, so please demonstrate, with credible evidence how we are different races from lets say Chinese or South Americans or Blacks or Thai...
I don't want to read random rant, i just want the evidence of HOW are we different race.
You're not biologically the same as me are you? Unless you're a tall, caucasian, 20 year old who is specifically me. Which you are not, because only I am specifically me. Like I am not you, nobody is. What a stupid idea. YOU ask for credible evidence? Give me a break. As PVS said, different people from different places have different aesthetics and different visual traits. We are all different.
What I find comedic about you, objectively and speaking of credibility, is that you preach on about equality, racial tolerance, how we're all the same and such. That's tremendous if you mean it, but I've seen you go from a fangirl fascination with Brazil, to other South American countries, to US, to Jamaica, for no apparant reason. I even remember you saying that you've been to none of them save the US. It may be genuine, but right now it looks nothing more than superficial and I am not the only one who notices it.
Which brings me to this question: Who are YOU to suddenly stand up and accuse the likes of PVS of having "privilege", as if you're speaking in respect of other skin tones? You trivialise culture and country more than anyone I've ever seen on this site.
-AC
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Define race for me and I'll answer you.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Neither did I. I was referring to the most likely outcome in a one on one situation.East London is an extremely diverse place in terms of ethnicity. If I go out and say to each person "What race are you?"
What is the probable reply? Will they say their ethnicity or will they return with "Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct."? Don't answer with what's right and wrong, answer with what's likely, what's acceptable and what's offensive out of the two.
The response depends on the individual, race doesn't exist.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
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You're not biologically the same as me are you? Unless you're a tall, caucasian, 20 year old who is specifically me. Which you are not, because only I am specifically me. Like I am not you, nobody is. What a stupid idea. -AC
Actually everyone is 99.9% person genetically similar.
No arguments in request
Is this the definition of race because that's what the link show's when I clicked on it.
Originally posted by PVS
figures dont lie, but liars figure. know this before touting said statistics.
now take that equation and factor in the overwhelming majority of whites to blacks in americas population.and no, i do not carry an enormous bag of privilege for being white, and quite frankly thats quite a racist thing to say (assuming that the standard of hypocricy of "generalising whites is ok, just dont generalise anyone else" didnt exist). i wont drone on about my life's story but ill just say that at 31 im still waiting for my "white society privilege club" check to arrive in the mail.
its more about money.
Oh please!
How is saying that you have more privilege for being white racist?!
You are acting exactly in the same way the people you yourself condemn permanently in every thread...
You do have more privilege for being white. You don't have to think about your skin colour when you go for an interview, you are not scrutinised and intimidated for the colour of your skin - a lot of black people are.
And how can YOU talk about how there is no racism towards black people, when you wouldnt know anything about it - you're white, you dont have to deal with scrutiny, discrimination and bullshit every day of your life, because you take all the things black people can't, for granted.
Who knows, maybe im being racist and i dont know it...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're not biologically the same as me are you? Unless you're a tall, caucasian, 20 year old who is specifically me. Which you are not, because only I am specifically me. Like I am not you, nobody is. What a stupid idea. YOU ask for credible evidence? Give me a break. As PVS said, different people from different places have different aesthetics and different visual traits. We are all different.
but your differences have nothing to do with our biology.
well, fine..maybe SOME minute differences on a genetic level (for example blacks being far more prone to sickle cell anemia), but not even worth mentioning.
I quoted the definition already, btu here, have a look:
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I consider it a religion...but lets make that easy and look at the definition of race for a second.race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
1 A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2 A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3 A genealogical line; a lineage.
4 Humans considered as a group.
5 Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6 A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.So looking at that, there are races in humans. So what are we arguing about here?
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The response depends on the individual, race doesn't exist.Actually everyone is 99.9% person genetically similar.
Is this the definition of race because that's what the link show's when I clicked on it.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The response depends on the individual, race doesn't exist.
Oh what a surprise, you're pulling a Neo. Answer the question:
"What is the probable reply? Will they say their ethnicity or will they return with "Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct."? Don't answer with what's right and wrong, answer with what's likely, what's acceptable and what's offensive out of the two."
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Actually everyone is 99.9% person genetically similar.
Can I ask what planet in the furthest reaches of space you pulled this statistic from? Because I was unaware that I was almost 100% identical to you, again if we're not being anal.
Because we are...all...different. Is it that hard?
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
but your differences have nothing to do with our biology.
well, fine..maybe SOME minute differences on a genetic level (for example blacks being far more prone to sickle cell anemia), but not even worth mentioning.
Sickle cell anemia susceptibility only applies to those of African descent.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And how can YOU talk about how there is no racism towards black people, when you wouldnt know anything about it - you're white, you dont have to deal with scrutiny, discrimination and bullshit every day of your life, because you take all the things black people can't, for granted.
She just won the I-R-O-N-Y JACKPOT.
This sequence (expected to be fully completed next year) provides a reference for us as a species because any two humans are 99.9 percent similar at the level of DNA sequence.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
http://www.broad.mit.edu/media/press/pr_hapmap.html
Splendid. Now realistically prove why being 99.9% similar at DNA level means that we are all the same, every human on Earth, at every other level.
Because if your basis for "We're all the same." is DNA, then that's pathetic and dare I use the word again, anal. Not to mention desperate.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Neither did I. I was referring to the most likely outcome in a one on one situation.East London is an extremely diverse place in terms of ethnicity. If I go out and say to each person "What race are you?"
What is the probable reply? Will they say their ethnicity or will they return with "Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct."? Don't answer with what's right and wrong, answer with what's likely, what's acceptable and what's offensive out of the two.
You're not biologically the same as me are you? Unless you're a tall, caucasian, 20 year old who is specifically me. Which you are not, because only I am specifically me. Like I am not you, nobody is. What a stupid idea. YOU ask for credible evidence? Give me a break. As PVS said, different people from different places have different aesthetics and different visual traits. We are all different.
What I find comedic about you, objectively and speaking of credibility, is that you preach on about equality, racial tolerance, how we're all the same and such. That's tremendous if you mean it, but I've seen you go from a fangirl fascination with Brazil, to other South American countries, to US, to Jamaica, for no apparant reason. I even remember you saying that you've been to none of them save the US. It may be genuine, but right now it looks nothing more than superficial and I am not the only one who notices it.
Which brings me to this question: Who are YOU to suddenly stand up and accuse the likes of PVS of having "privilege", as if you're speaking in respect of other skin tones? You trivialise culture and country more than anyone I've ever seen on this site.
-AC
As already pointed out - our differences have nothing to do with our biology. By your random explanation, each individual who is not 20 and cocaisan is a different 'race' to everyone else who is. Bullshit.
Second - what I like and what I admire is my own business and it has nothing to do with this thread or racism.
The fact that I am not of British origin, and that i came to this country and was scrutinised and discriminated by an astonishing amount of people for not being English, for not being a Westerner, kind of makes me think about the people who not, not only british, but not white.
If I was discriminated in such way and im white, I can only imagine what it is like for people who are black, and who are not British.
Thus, I have more authority to talk about ethnic minorities, myself being one, than you ever will.
When you move to a country which despises your people and your culture, then come back to this thread and preach.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh please!How is saying that you have more privilege for being white racist?!
You are acting exactly in the same way the people you yourself condemn permanently in every thread...
its a double standard. would you assume that a black person is poor just because you know he's black? it was an ignorant statement. racism is not about hate, its about a baseless and generalised point of view, which is exactly what you gave me by assuming i live in the lap of privilege and luxury at the "thank god i'm white" country club.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You do have more privilege for being white. You don't have to think about your skin colour when you go for an interview, you are not scrutinised and intimidated for the colour of your skin - a lot of black people are.
where i live, a company can land in serious trouble for discriminating based on color. in fact many companies will hire the ethnic applicant to avoid this. other than that i dont see much of that in the metropilitan area at least. btw did i mention im the only white guy in my art dept?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And how can YOU talk about how there is no racism towards black people, when you wouldnt know anything about it - you're white, you dont have to deal with scrutiny, discrimination and bullshit every day of your life, because you take all the things black people can't, for granted.
and how can YOU put words in my mouth? please quote where i said that racism toward blacks does not exist and we'll take it from there.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
1 in 3 black Americans live below poverty line 52% of black people are imprisoned in American prisons. Thus, Black person is six times more likely to be arrested than a white person...
52% of blacks are NOT imprisoned. get your facts straight before you throw them at me. now if you were to say that 52% of prisoners were black, then you would be correct. however i argue that this is more due to poverty than color. whites in general on on a downhill slope, their poverty percentage increasing, while the black population which manages to break away from the underclass gutters, as a whole, are dramatically prospering.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Splendid. Now realistically prove why being 99.9% similar at DNA level means that we are all the same, every human on Earth, at every other level.Because if your basis for "We're all the same." is DNA, then that's pathetic and dare I use the word again, anal. Not to mention desperate.
-AC
Not as pathetic as you, The way you post it's like you believe were more different then alike so tell me, what's the glaring difference between a Latino and Arab. The fact that were 99.9% genetically similar isn't enough, what about the fact that we all have basic needs.
Originally posted by PVS
and how can YOU put words in my mouth? please quote where i said that racism toward blacks does not exist and we'll take it from there.
You wrote, a page back that the racism is not that bad at all. I shall quote you, give me few...
Originally posted by PVS
52% of blacks are NOT imprisoned. get your facts straight before you throw them at me. now if you were to say that 52% of prisoners were black, then you would be correct. however i argue that this is more due to poverty than color. whites in general on on a downhill slope, their poverty percentage increasing, while the black population which manages to break away from the underclass gutters, as a whole, are dramatically prospering.