Originally posted by lil bitchiness
...when was I even refering to you?
When was it relevant?
You know no more than us about what it's like to be another ethnic minority than your own, so don't speak for any other ethnic minority. You don't know what it's like anymore than we do, and we have as much right to speak about it as you do.
-AC
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
...when was I even refering to you?..and when did I say you did. You were asking questions I was giving an answer.
You were referring to AC, I happen to be a Caucasian 19 year old from Germany...by denying him the right to say something about racism you deny mine as well.
Even more ridiculous denying it PVS who actually lives in the country we talk about.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well....a lot more than whites...that's the point.
Statistically yes but, in sheer numbers not in America.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When was it relevant?You know no more than us about what it's like to be another ethnic minority than your own, so don't speak for any other ethnic minority. You don't know what it's like anymore than we do, and we have as much right to speak about it as you do.
-AC
What flawed logic, if two people of an entire different race experience the exact same lifestyle by your logic they wouldn't know how the other feels. are you kidding me?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you have the figures for poverty? Before you misunderstand again...I mean those for...poverty.
33% of black children live in poor families. In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 22% in New Jersey to 44% in Illinois.
28% of Latino children live in poor families. In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 17% in Michigan to 35% in New York and Texas.
10% of white children live in poor families. In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 4% in New Jersey to 10% in Georgia, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.[2]
Although black and Latino children are disproportionately likely to be poor, white children comprise the largest group of children living in poor families—35% of all poor children are white.
Originally posted by PVS
no, because you also have to factor in those who are not black, white, or latino.
native americans, asians, arabs and so forth. also there are plenty of interracial couples, and they dont explain how such offspring are calculated into that.
Yeah I know that....but those are rather small populations, aren't they?
So, won't be much between blacks and whites I guess...
Ethnic groups:
white 81.7%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.2% (2003 est.)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent (including persons of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin) living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov3.html
I think this is it, if not I quit.
So "Interracial" are a race?
Originally posted by Bardock42
You were referring to AC, I happen to be a Caucasian 19 year old from Germany...by denying him the right to say something about racism you deny mine as well.Even more ridiculous denying it PVS who actually lives in the country we talk about.
However you put it, I have still lived as an ethnic minority in a country, while neither of you have - thus I still have more insight in what im talking about.
Besides, I am talking about west - Britain is included, and havng studied racism in both countries, it is far more explicit in America then it is overhere.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What flawed logic, if two people of an entire different race experience the exact same lifestyle by your logic they wouldn't know how the other feels. are you kidding me?
Exactly.
It is ridiculous - discrimination is discrimination. Marganalised people identify with each other a lot, regardless of their 'race'
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
However you put it, I have still lived as an ethnic minority in a country, while neither of you have - thus I still have more insight in what im talking about.
its quite pompous to tell an american that they know nothing about racism in america...because you are technically an ethnic minority.
it just seems you are trying to find any means to prove that not only do you know what its like for a black and impoverished american, but also that nobody who isnt an ethnic minority (a bullshit term) has any right to observe and comment. so i guess you find yourself turned away from jobs and followed around stores as a suspected thief?
:edit: and before we go on another back and forth about "bullshit term" ill say that my mother's side of the family is italian. yet italians are excluded from the "cry on my shoulder club" because why? italian americans have endured racism and excusion for almost three quarters of the 20th century, yet they are just "white" now. and irish americans? discriminated against and hated even more than blacks in the mid to late 1800's in america. now they are just "white".
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
However you put it, I have still lived as an ethnic minority in a country, while neither of you have - thus I still have more insight in what im talking about.Besides, I am talking about west - Britain is included, and havng studied racism in both countries, it is far more explicit in America then it is overhere.
What garbage.
You know more about what it's like to be YOUR ethnic minority than I do. Not about what it's like to be any general ethnic minority just because you are from a certain one.
That's flawed logic for you. If you want to talk about what you know more about, say "I know more about *Insert your ethnicity*". You don't know what it's like to be a black American, European or anything else. You aren't one.
"I've studied it." Aha, hypocricy again. So how come you can study something and be knowledgeable on it with zero experience of actual BEING one of those black Americans, yet when someone suggests it, you say "I'm a minority, I know more."? No, you don't. You know no more about what it's like to be a black American than I do.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Exactly.It is ridiculous - discrimination is discrimination. Marganalised people identify with each other a lot, regardless of their 'race'
So?
"I was racially abused." "So was I."
How much further does it go? Do you all of a sudden know what it's like to be a black American just because you've both experienced racism? By that rationale, I know as much as you because I've been called a white honkey by Bangladeshi men.
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
its quite pompous to tell an american that they know nothing about racism in america...because you are technically an ethnic minority.
it just seems you are trying to find any means to prove that not only do you know what its like for a black and impoverished american, but also that nobody who isnt an ethnic minority (a bullshit term) has any right to observe and comment. so i guess you find yourself turned away from jobs and followed around stores as a suspected thief?:edit: and before we go on another back and forth about "bullshit term" ill say that my mother's side of the family is italian. yet italians are excluded from the "cry on my shoulder club" because why? italian americans have endured racism and excusion for almost three quarters of the 20th century, yet they are just "white" now. and irish americans? discriminated against and hated even more than blacks in the mid to late 1800's in america. now they are just "white".
hold on, you said that racism is ''not to the magnitute everyone makes it out to be''.
A person with enough information about racism, no matter where in the world would comprehand of how bullshit that is.
Im not talking now from the perspective of a black american - i am taling from a perspecitve of someone who has read about racism every single day for the past 3 years.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri"I was racially abused." "So was I."
How much further does it go? Do you all of a sudden know what it's like to be a black American just because you've both experienced racism? By that rationale, I know as much as you because I've been called a white honkey by Bangladeshi men.
-AC
Your logic is flawed, If someone has the exact same experience as someone else then they can relate and understand each other, what does the fact they look different alter in the experience?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
A person with enough information about racism, no matter where in the world would comprehand of how bullshit that is.Im not talking now from the perspective of a black american - i am taling from a perspecitve of someone who has read about racism every single day for the past 3 years.
If you read a book about the state with the world's highest murder count and crime count, go there and actually experience life, you'd probably discover that it's not the murder-a-minute city that everybody believes it to be when it's reduced to stats.
That's probably what PVS meant. I don't think he's denying that racism is huge, I think he's pointing out that it's not exactly segregation and slavery anymore.
-AC
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
hold on, you said that racism is ''not to the magnitute everyone makes it out to be''.A person with enough information about racism, no matter where in the world would comprehand of how bullshit that is.
Im not talking now from the perspective of a black american - i am taling from a perspecitve of someone who has read about racism every single day for the past 3 years.
oh you read about it. well, i took a class on women's history/sexism in america, so i guess i'm a expert on the plight of women. [/heavy sarcasm]
and yes, once again, since you seem to love to take my quote out of context, ''not to the magnitute everyone makes it out to be'' as in america, racist attitudes are less prevailant than classist attitudes, which i have no idea why i have to clarify....again.