I know I'm waking up an old thread here. But to me its funny how much credit people give the Watchmen characters. I will admit Ozy is impressive. But trying to compare his list of feats to captain america's many decades of feats is really nonsense. I mean seriously look at the big picture. Yeah he beat up two heros at the same time and even beat another hero easily it is impressive. But that is an everyday thing for cap look at how many skilled fighters he has beaten. On top of all that the watchmen series pretty much stands on its own so none of them ever faced any of the DC universe's best fighters. We talking Batman, Lady shiva, Cassandra cain, Karate kid, bronze tiger, Richard Dragon, etc. Now if he would have fought any of them and at least held his own I would give him a better shot at this. But he hasn't so many of this is just speculation.
People speak on his brains yes he is smart. The smartest man in his universe but it once again is a universe where the other great minds of the DC universe don't exist.
People comment on his speed as well what great peak character hasn't had a feat that seems superhuman.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI highly disagree. Wasn't you one of the posters claiming that fighting skill can only be proven by who you beat and not by stuff like catching bullets or how you beat someone.
Movie Cap is by all rights inferior to comic Cap, and he would beat the shit out of Movie Ozy.
IMO movie Ozy would beat movie Cap since he is easily more skilled, much faster, and almost as strong (jumping 30ft and throwing Comedian through highly reinforce glass helps his case)
Originally posted by h1a8
I highly disagree. Wasn't you one of the posters claiming that fighting skill can only be proven by who you beat and not by stuff like catching bullets or how you beat someone.IMO movie Ozy would beat movie Cap since he is easily more skilled, much faster, and almost as strong (jumping 30ft and throwing Comedian through highly reinforce glass helps his case)
Exactly, and he beat a guy who was at least on his level (Red Skull), plus Hydra troopers wearing armour.
Oh, and he fought a legit god.
Ozy's opponents weren't on his level.
Originally posted by h1a8
I highly disagree. Wasn't you one of the posters claiming that fighting skill can only be proven by who you beat and not by stuff like catching bullets or how you beat someone.IMO movie Ozy would beat movie Cap since he is easily more skilled, much faster, and almost as strong (jumping 30ft and throwing Comedian through highly reinforce glass helps his case)
Movie Cap was throwing/knocking people 10-20 feet through the air, running down moving cars and lifted a motorcycle w/3 people on it over his head.
Not to mention that he also tanked hits that could dent stell and a laser blast that was destroying cars.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Red skull wasn't A skilled. He was just enhanced. Hydra troopers weren't skilled either, and neither was the legit god. IMO its how you perform that proves your skill and not who you beat, which some here are assuming.
Exactly, and he beat a guy who was at least on his level (Red Skull), plus Hydra troopers wearing armour.Oh, and he fought a legit god.
Ozy's opponents weren't on his level.
Originally posted by KingD19Yet Loki didn't use those reflexes when fighting Cap. Again it's how you win and not who you fight.
He also fought Loki, who had vastly superior reflexes and reaction time to anybody in Watchmen.
Originally posted by Silent MasterOzy could have easily thrown Comedian 10-20ft too. I'm not saying Ozy was as strong but his skill and h2h speed tips the scales in his favor.
Movie Cap was throwing/knocking people 10-20 feet through the air, running down moving cars and lifted a motorcycle w/3 people on it over his head.Not to mention that he also tanked hits that could dent stell and a laser blast that was destroying cars.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy could have easily thrown Comedian 10-20ft too. I'm not saying Ozy was as strong but his skill and h2h speed tips the scales in his favor.
Cap was sending fully armored people flying with punches, kicks and thowing them 10-20 feet with one arm, that is well above Ozy in strength.
As for skill, Cap is seen blocking/dodging and landing hits on pretty much everyone he fights, him not using Kung Fu or Jujitsu etc isn't the same as him not being skilled.
lol
Cap tanked shit that would have killed Ozy. He performed strength feats far beyond Ozy. He was far more agile and faster than Ozy. Literally, the only thing Ozy of note did that Cap didn't was - yes, you guessed it - catch a god damn bullet.
Too bad Steve has incredible feats which shit on every thing else Ozy did.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankWhat did he tanked that would have killed Ozy?
lolCap tanked shit that would have killed Ozy. He performed strength feats far beyond Ozy. He was far more agile and faster than Ozy. Literally, the only thing Ozy of note did that Cap didn't was - yes, you guessed it - catch a god damn bullet.
Too bad Steve has incredible feats which shit on every thing else Ozy did.
Originally posted by Silent Masteryet again Ozy can throw people 10-20ft away too.
Cap was sending fully armored people flying with punches, kicks and thowing them 10-20 feet with one arm, that is well above Ozy in strength.As for skill, Cap is seen blocking/dodging and landing hits on pretty much everyone he fights, him not using Kung Fu or Jujitsu etc isn't the same as him not being skilled.
Who cares. They were nobodies by your reasoning. Remember?
Originally posted by h1a8
yet again Ozy can throw people 10-20ft away too.
So it's not WELL above his strength.Who cares. They were nobodies by your reasoning. Remember?
You missed the part about Cap only needing 1 arm to throw them, that and they were fully armored, which means they weighed more than the Comedian did.
Originally posted by h1a8
What did he tanked that would have killed Ozy?
He didn't perform strength feats FAR beyond Ozy. Guess how much force it takes to jump 30ft? He wasn't faster in h2h movement speed (running speed is not h2h speed) and not as agile IMO.yet again Ozy can throw people 10-20ft away too.
So it's not WELL above his strength.Who cares. They were nobodies by your reasoning. Remember?
You did see the Avengers, right? The Chitauri weapons were capable of blowing up cars and Cap took them directly to the gut. The guy was tossed out of a bank window and landed face down on the roof of a car, denting it. Cap then just stands up like literally nothing happened.
Nothing Ozy did suggests he could do either of those and survive and if he impossibly did, he'd likely be crippled, bullet catching be damned.
Yes, his strength feats are far above anything Ozy showed and on a consistent basis. Shattering reinforced glass underwater and throwing a man from beneath the depths and past the surface of the water and up and over to the dock is ridiculous. Hell, Cap's blows - capable of denting steel - would likely mess up Ozy just by him attempting to block it.
Cap beat Red Skull, a guy his equal in physical stats, phased Loki with his blows (who is actually bullet proof), and sonned legions of Chitauri, who would have raped the likes of Nite Owl and Rorschach.
The funny thing is that people who don't know who Cap is think the movie version is more powerful because "Cap's only peak human in the comics". Comic book Cap does that kind of shit when he's written low-end.