Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You did see the Avengers, right? The Chitauri weapons were capable of blowing up cars and Cap took them directly to the gut. The guy was tossed out of a bank window and landed face down on the roof of a car, denting it. Cap then just stands up like literally nothing happened.Nothing Ozy did suggests he could do either of those and survive and if he impossibly did, he'd likely be crippled, bullet catching be damned.
Yes, his strength feats are far above anything Ozy showed and on a consistent basis. Shattering reinforced glass underwater and throwing a man from beneath the depths and past the surface of the water and up and over to the dock is ridiculous. Hell, Cap's blows - capable of denting steel - would likely mess up Ozy just by him attempting to block it.
Cap beat Red Skull, a guy his equal in physical stats, phased Loki with his blows (who is actually bullet proof), and sonned legions of Chitauri, who would have raped the likes of Nite Owl and Rorschach.
The funny thing is that people who don't know who Cap is think the movie version is more powerful because "Cap's only peak human in the comics". Comic book Cap does that kind of shit when he's written low-end.
you got a gift for convincing people, especially mods, but I won't fall for your tricks (exaggeration and overestimation and using highest feats while claiming averages, taking the sting out of my rebuttal by mentioning it first, etc)
1. Cap is stronger and more durable than Ozy but not by a whole lot. The bullet feat and jumping feat and window feat proves that. No feat you named is beyond the suspension of disbelief for Ozy to be close to doing himself. And no, Ozy was consistently shown with super strength. No contradictions unlike Cap (not killing all the humans he fought with his blows).
2. Some human MA has managed to dent steel with their blows so that's not beyond Ozy.
3. Red skull isn't very skilled Like your reasoning suggests.
4. phased Loki? Thats not a feat. I didn't see any blood. Did Loki ever have a bullet proof scene?
5. The chitauri were not very skilled so that goes that feat. Note: I'm using your same reasoning as you did against Ozy and the bullet proving fighting skill.
6. BS! movie Cap is about equals to comic Cap. Considering low end comic Cap, movie Cap shits on him easily.
Ozy has thrown a 250lb man through reinforced skycraper building glass, jumps 30ft through the air casual as hell, sends clowns flying through the air with casual blows, throws heavy ass throne chair far through the air, catches a freaking bullet, etc.
The thing is, you are only arguing physical stats and not the most important thing of all, SKILL and h2h speed. Ozy is so far skilled than movie Cap it isn't funny. It's only because of Caps physicality that he is able to engage his foes.
Again movie Ozy and movie Cap would be a good fight where Ozy edging him. IMO I don't see how Cap could land a decent blow with a legit bullet timer.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe didn't punch a hole in those humans he fought.
Lol, wtf? Captain America would punch a hole in Ozymandias' face. Did we watch the same movies?
Originally posted by Silent Master
You missed the part about Cap only needing 1 arm to throw them, that and they were fully armored, which means they weighed more than the Comedian did.
Ok so throwing someone a little heavier than Comedian 10ft is not much stronger than throwing Comedian with two arms 20ft. I never said Cap wasnt stronger. I just Lol at you saying far stronger.
Spidey is much stronger than Cap than Cap movie is over Ozy movie yet it is believable that Cap can take Spidey (not by me though).
Originally posted by h1a8
you got a gift for convincing people, especially mods, but I won't fall for your tricks (exaggeration and overestimation and using highest feats while claiming averages, taking the sting out of my rebuttal by mentioning it first, etc)1. Cap is stronger and more durable than Ozy but not by a whole lot. The bullet feat and jumping feat and window feat proves that. No feat you named is beyond the suspension of disbelief for Ozy to be close to doing himself. And no, Ozy was consistently shown with super strength. No contradictions unlike Cap (not killing all the humans he fought with his blows).
2. Some human MA has managed to dent steel with their blows so that's not beyond Ozy.
3. Red skull isn't very skilled Like your reasoning suggests.
4. phased Loki? Thats not a feat. I didn't see any blood. Did Loki ever have a bullet proof scene?
5. The chitauri were not very skilled so that goes that feat. Note: I'm using your same reasoning as you did against Ozy and the bullet proving fighting skill.
6. BS! movie Cap is about equals to comic Cap. Considering low end comic Cap, movie Cap shits on him easily.
Ozy has thrown a 250lb man through reinforced skycraper building glass, jumps 30ft through the air casual as hell, sends clowns flying through the air with casual blows, throws heavy ass throne chair far through the air, catches a freaking bullet, etc.
The thing is, you are only arguing physical stats and not the most important thing of all, SKILL and h2h speed. Ozy is so far skilled than movie Cap it isn't funny. It's only because of Caps physicality that he is able to engage his foes.
Again movie Ozy and movie Cap would be a good fight where Ozy edging him. IMO I don't see how Cap could land a decent blow with a legit bullet timer.
baka
Thanks, I guess?
1.) So your counter point is tantamount to "nuh uh"? Cap hit people once and they stayed down. The only people who didn't were Loki and the Red Skull, both of whom were superhuman.
2.) So humans have been able to dent bullet proof steel with their bare hands?
3.) He's superhumanly strong, fast, agile, and durable, enough to justify someone incredibly skilled like say, Nolan's Batman, to get raped in hand to hand combat. Ozy isn't skilled enough nor fast enough nor tough enough to prolong in extended combat with either Skull or Cap.
4.) So you didn't watch Avengers, then. Good to know you're up to date with the characters being discussed here seeing as you clearly don't watch the movies being cited. Yes, Loki was very visible phased by Cap's strikes (ie. he didn't no sell them). And yes, Loki no sold bullets completely (ie. he didn't even react to them, unlike Cap's fists and feet). Cap not making him bleed doesn't mean Loki didn't register the blows.
5.) The hell? They were skilled enough to force the likes of Natasha and Clint and Cap to work together to take on scores of them at once, and their weapons are enough to blow up cars. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.
6.) Jesus Christ. facepalm Movie! Cap is about equal to low comic book portrayal Cap. High end comic book Cap would destroy him. How can you possibly add anything to the discussion when you don't even read or watch the source material enough to make a decent argument?
And no, Ozy didn't display enough skill against Rorschach and Nite Owl to justify him hanging with the vastly superior across the board skills of Movie! Cap, let alone Comic Book! Cap, who's even more ridiculous.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanknot sure about bulletproof steel but yes steel. With strikes humans have dented thin steel before, especially with chi powered strikes.
bakaThanks, I guess?
1.) So your counter point is tantamount to "nuh uh"? Cap hit people once and they stayed down. The only people who didn't were Loki and the Red Skull, both of whom were superhuman.
2.) So humans have been able to dent bullet proof steel with their bare hands?
Ozy is mored than skilled to beat movie Cap. And he is faster in h2h. You saying he isn't doesn't mean it is true when it's not. Cap would be lucky to get a hit in.3.) He's superhumanly strong, fast, agile, and durable, enough to justify someone incredibly skilled like say, Nolan's Batman, to get raped in hand to hand combat. Ozy isn't skilled enough nor fast enough nor tough enough to prolong in extended combat with either Skull or Cap.
of course I seen the movie. I dont remember loki taking bullets to the face though. And I would have to be dead as hell in order to not have watched the movie. If a character (in a movie) isnt bruised then there is no way to determine how much force in comparison to a bullet was exerted. Hell an ant would register to me, doesn't mean that ant is everywhere of a little kid punching me.4.) So you didn't watch Avengers, then. Good to know you're up to date with the characters being discussed here seeing as you clearly don't watch the movies being cited. Yes, Loki was very visible phased by Cap's strikes (ie. he didn't no sell them). And yes, Loki no sold bullets completely (ie. he didn't even react to them, unlike Cap's fists and feet). Cap not making him bleed doesn't mean Loki didn't register the blows.
they didn't engage them h2h. I seem to remember Natasha being able to engage one physically though, not sure.5.) The hell? They were skilled enough to force the likes of Natasha and Clint and Cap to work together to take on scores of them at once, and their weapons are enough to blow up cars. Your "reasoning" makes no sense.
again this is a blatant lie. Caps lowest showings prove movie Cap will ace his ass easily. Just like Thor's lowest being pathetic. As far as feats, name one feat by high end Cap that shits on movie Cap (not skill feat). And name one low end showing or feat by cap that equals movie Cap at his best. Mr. Exaggerator.6.) Jesus Christ. facepalm Movie! Cap is about equal to low comic book portrayal Cap. High end comic book Cap would destroy him. How can you possibly add anything to the discussion when you don't even read or watch the source material enough to make a decent argument?
of course he did. He engaged the two easily without breaking a sweat, caught a bullet and everything. The bullet catch takes the cake.And no, Ozy didn't display enough skill against Rorschach and Nite Owl to justify him hanging with the vastly superior across the board skills of Movie! Cap, let alone Comic Book! Cap, who's even more ridiculous.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI never seen clips but read about it and some of my teachers told me about it. At my best I believe I could have dented a thin sheet of steel. I used to break brick slabs effortlessly and lift 300lb with no problem. Not anymore though.
Well h1a8 left again, hopefully he went to collect the clips of real life martial artists denting thick pieces of steel like the Red Skull did in the movie.
Maybe those humans didn't explode when Cap punched them...
Because he has that much skill. If anyone holds back against normalbhumans, it would be Cap.
And as for Lokis durability.....didn't he take an exploding arrow to the face? And was still alive (albeit obv injured ) after the hulk had a piece of him.
Originally posted by h1a8
you got a gift for convincing people, especially mods, but I won't fall for your tricks (exaggeration and overestimation and using highest feats while claiming averages, taking the sting out of my rebuttal by mentioning it first, etc)1. Cap is stronger and more durable than Ozy but not by a whole lot. The bullet feat and jumping feat and window feat proves that. No feat you named is beyond the suspension of disbelief for Ozy to be close to doing himself. And no, Ozy was consistently shown with super strength. No contradictions unlike Cap (not killing all the humans he fought with his blows).
2. Some human MA has managed to dent steel with their blows so that's not beyond Ozy.
3. Red skull isn't very skilled Like your reasoning suggests.
4. phased Loki? Thats not a feat. I didn't see any blood. Did Loki ever have a bullet proof scene?
5. The chitauri were not very skilled so that goes that feat. Note: I'm using your same reasoning as you did against Ozy and the bullet proving fighting skill.
6. BS! movie Cap is about equals to comic Cap. Considering low end comic Cap, movie Cap shits on him easily.
Ozy has thrown a 250lb man through reinforced skycraper building glass, jumps 30ft through the air casual as hell, sends clowns flying through the air with casual blows, throws heavy ass throne chair far through the air, catches a freaking bullet, etc.
The thing is, you are only arguing physical stats and not the most important thing of all, SKILL and h2h speed. Ozy is so far skilled than movie Cap it isn't funny. It's only because of Caps physicality that he is able to engage his foes.
Again movie Ozy and movie Cap would be a good fight where Ozy edging him. IMO I don't see how Cap could land a decent blow with a legit bullet timer.
He didn't punch a hole in those humans he fought.
Ok so throwing someone a little heavier than Comedian 10ft is not much stronger than throwing Comedian with two arms 20ft. I never said Cap wasnt stronger. I just Lol at you saying far stronger.
Spidey is much stronger than Cap than Cap movie is over Ozy movie yet it is believable that Cap can take Spidey (not by me though).
Excuse me?
Originally posted by Silent Master
How is Ozy beating someone that can tank laser blasts and hits that can dent thick steel?
Laser blasts =/= punches or kicks
plus that shot was to his armored gut, it didn't hit his skin directly
A wise man once said, "steel don't hit back."
Plus I don't remember CA denting steel. Which scene was this and what movie?
Ozy has similar superhuman strength (within the vicinity), faster h2h speed, and much greater fighting skill than CA.
Look at this scene again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbnGA8uu8T0
You see him kicking Rorshach many feat away, him jumping 30ft with ease, him blocking attacks without looking, him effortlessly schooling both at the same time, him throwing Rorshach easily 20-30ft away, etc.
And don't forget he also caught a freaking bullet for crying out loud.
And in the scene where he fought Comedian he easily caught the fist and stopped a Comedian haymaker. Comedian's punches were shown to produce enough force to break through solid marble, or reinforced concrete.
Also we have the scene where he effortlessly lifts Comedian and throws him 15-10ft through a highly reinforced glass window of a skyscraper.
Cap is stronger and more durable (not by much though)
but Ozy is better skilled, faster h2h speed, and much smarter
thus is the reason I see him slightly edging Cap out (movie versions only)