Originally posted by h1a8Lift 300 pounds in what manner? Bench-press? Military? What?
I never seen clips but read about it and some of my teachers told me about it. At my best I believe I could have dented a thin sheet of steel. I used to break brick slabs effortlessly and lift 300lb with no problem. Not anymore though.
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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Cap wins, even if I am a fan of Ozzy
In a comic Ca would probably win
but movie versions is a different story
Originally posted by h1a8
Laser blasts =/= punches or kicks
plus that shot was to his armored gut, it didn't hit his skin directly
A wise man once said, "steel don't hit back."
Plus I don't remember CA denting steel. Which scene was this and what movie?Ozy has similar superhuman strength (within the vicinity), faster h2h speed, and much greater fighting skill than CA.
Look at this scene again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbnGA8uu8T0
You see him kicking Rorshach many feat away, him jumping 30ft with ease, him blocking attacks without looking, him effortlessly schooling both at the same time, him throwing Rorshach easily 20-30ft away, etc.
And don't forget he also caught a freaking bullet for crying out loud.
And in the scene where he fought Comedian he easily caught the fist and stopped a Comedian haymaker. Comedian's punches were shown to produce enough force to break through solid marble, or reinforced concrete.
Also we have the scene where he effortlessly lifts Comedian and throws him 15-10ft through a highly reinforced glass window of a skyscraper.
Cap is stronger and more durable (not by much though)
but Ozy is better skilled, faster h2h speed, and much smarter
thus is the reason I see him slightly edging Cap out (movie versions only)
Red Skull dented steel with his bare hands and Cap tanked several of his punches and even if Cap was armored, the force needed to destroy cars is still far beyond anything that Ozy tanked in the movie
So again, how does Ozy actually overcome Cap's huge durability edge?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"How does Ozy actually overcome Cap's huge durability edge?"Answer: He doesn't.
Ozy's feats pale in comparison to what Cap did, who would have easily one shot the likes of everyone in Watchman save Dr. Manhattan. God forbid if Cap actually used his shield on him.
Cap's durability isn't what you making it out to be. In chariots, they were able to blow up cars. Their handweapons were not as powerful. Also Cap wore armor in his gut part of his uniform. Ozy caught a bullet, how does that speak for his durability?
Also, Loki wasn't completely bulletproof. I rewatched the scene and a couple of handgun bullets scared his face. He healed instantly though. Cap did absolutely nothing to him but make his face roll back a little. Not the slightest mark of damage was done to Loki. It was a terrible showing for Cap, not a good one.
When did Cap dent steel? I don't recall seeing that.
Cap didn't throw the man out of the water. He was on the ladder when he threw the man.
Cap's best feats of strength was
1. Punching window under water
2. Jumping high a few times
3. Destroying punching bags (Bruce Lee was notorious for doing that with his kicks)
4. Running about 40mph
Ozy feats are
1. Jumping 30ft easily
2. Throwing Rorchach 20ft easily
3. Kicking Rorshach far away
4. Catching a bullet
5. Catching a fist capable of smashing through solid marble
6. Ramming Comedian's head through solid marble, breaking it in half
Like I said movie Cap was shown stronger and more durable, but not by much. Ozy does more than counter those things with his skill, h2h speed, and intelligence.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's durability isn't what you making it out to be. In chariots, they were able to blow up cars. Their handweapons were not as powerful. Also Cap wore armor in his gut part of his uniform. Ozy caught a bullet, how does that speak for his durability?Also, Loki wasn't completely bulletproof. I rewatched the scene and a couple of handgun bullets scared his face. He healed instantly though. Cap did absolutely nothing to him but make his face roll back a little. Not the slightest mark of damage was done to Loki. It was a terrible showing for Cap, not a good one.
When did Cap dent steel? I don't recall seeing that.Cap didn't throw the man out of the water. He was on the ladder when he threw the man.
Cap's best feats of strength was
1. Punching window under water
2. Jumping high a few times
3. Destroying punching bags (Bruce Lee was notorious for doing that with his kicks)
4. Running about 40mphOzy feats are
1. Jumping 30ft easily
2. Throwing Rorchach 20ft easily
3. Kicking Rorshach far away
4. Catching a bullet
5. Catching a fist capable of smashing through solid marble
6. Ramming Comedian's head through solid marble, breaking it in halfLike I said movie Cap was shown stronger and more durable, but not by much. Ozy does more than counter those things with his skill, h2h speed, and intelligence.
Correction, Punching through reinforced submarine glass, tanking steel denting hits, throwing heavily armored people 10-20 feet with one hand, lifting a motorcycle w/3 people above his head, punching and kicking armored people 10-20 feet, tanking energy attacks that could destroy cars etc etc etc.
Now again, how is Ozy going to get past Cap's durability?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Correction, Punching through reinforced submarine glass, tanking steel denting hits, throwing heavily armored people 10-20 feet with one hand, lifting a motorcycle w/3 people above his head, punching and kicking armored people 10-20 feet, tanking energy attacks that could destroy cars etc etc etc.Now again, how is Ozy going to get past Cap's durability?
He can't, lets stop acting H1 n\knows what he is talking about, which he clearly doesn't. He is hyping Ozy beyond his paid grade, Luke Cage caught a bullet but that doesn't make him a marital artist. Cap will phyiscally wear down Ozy, Cap is not comedian at all, after gets done with him, Ozy wishes Cap was Comedian.
Cap picking up Big Bertha and throwing across the room like she was child, and she weighs 750lbs + 😉
Landing blows on beings like Thor, Hulk etc and staggering them.
Taking on 100 enhance Hydra soldiers.
Curb stomping US Agent a 10 toner in strength on numerous occasions.
Captain America v4 Issue 21. Cap is in a car that is FILLED with Assault Rifle Rounds Which hit him flush, Captain America doesnt have on his suit
Cap defeating a Namor clone and the real Namor being control by the controller, Namor got KO
Cap fighting battle suit Red skull, during the fight the building that they were in fall on him and he wasn't even fazed
Originally posted by the Darkone
He can't, lets stop acting H1 n\knows what he is talking about, which he clearly doesn't. He is hyping Ozy beyond his paid grade, Luke Cage caught a bullet but that doesn't make him a marital artist. Cap will phyiscally wear down Ozy, Cap is not comedian at all, after gets done with him, Ozy wishes Cap was Comedian.Cap picking up Big Bertha and throwing across the room like she was child, and she weighs 750lbs + 😉
Landing blows on beings like Thor, Hulk etc and staggering them.
Taking on 100 enhance Hydra soldiers.
Curb stomping US Agent a 10 toner in strength on numerous occasions.
Captain America v4 Issue 21. Cap is in a car that is FILLED with Assault Rifle Rounds Which hit him flush, Captain America doesnt have on his suit
Cap defeating a Namor clone and the real Namor being control by the controller, Namor got KO
Cap fighting battle suit Red skull, during the fight the building that they were in fall on him and he wasn't even fazed
It's a given Comic Cap would walk all over Ozy, but we were talking about movie Cap...he'd do the same thing combining feats from both Captain America and Avengers.
Captain America would punch Ozymandias' face off, what is wrong with you guys? Stop arguing with h1, if it isn't obvious now, it isn't going to be ever.
On the topic of Captain America, did anyone catch the new Ultimate Spider-Man episode? Marvel has completely dropped the pretense that Captain America is anything resembling human (Been like that for a while now tbh). But it was obvious where they were heading with it when they stopped calling him an enhanced human period, and referred to him as a super soldier.
I'd also like to point out, that the Captain America in the Ultimate Spider-Man Universe is copied and pasted from the movie Universe. This is even more one sided than I thought (If that was possible), if that's what Marvel thinks Captain America is at power/formidability wise.
The show isn't great and the jokes are cringe worthy at times but the episode was worth it for that -brief- ass kicking.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Correction, Punching through reinforced submarine glass, tanking steel denting hits, throwing heavily armored people 10-20 feet with one hand, lifting a motorcycle w/3 people above his head, punching and kicking armored people 10-20 feet, tanking energy attacks that could destroy cars etc etc etc.Now again, how is Ozy going to get past Cap's durability?
lol at reinforced submarine glass
not only was that not a real submarine but the glass looked like plastic
heavily armored? I think not. They looked soft as hell. Especially with widow easily piercing them like jello.
tanking energy attacks that could destroy cars? I think not
the chariot's energy blasts were shown to destroy cars, not their hand weapons.
Also Cap had armor built in his gut area.
Oh you are referring to Skull denting the shield?
If so then i'm not sure it was made of steel. After all it was a prop for a costume.
Sure it was made of metal but definitely a much lighter metal since it was made for a regular human to carry to do shows with, not to actually fight with.
Also when Skull struck it you see bullets holes that easily penetrated it, proving it was much less durable than steel.
Also in the later scene Skull was scene making Cap bleed with a hit and smack to the face.
Ozy has proven superhuman strength and can easily duplicate Skull's hitting strength or better.
So Ozy is going to hit and damage Cap in the face as to get past his durability.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America would punch Ozymandias' face off, what is wrong with you guys? Stop arguing with h1, if it isn't obvious now, it isn't going to be ever.On the topic of Captain America, did anyone catch the new Ultimate Spider-Man episode? Marvel has completely dropped the pretense that Captain America is anything resembling human (Been like that for a while now tbh). But it was obvious where they were heading with it when they stopped calling him an enhanced human period, and referred to him as a super soldier.
I'd also like to point out, that the Captain America in the Ultimate Spider-Man Universe is copied and pasted from the movie Universe. This is even more one sided than I thought (If that was possible), if that's what Marvel thinks Captain America is at power/formidability wise.
The show isn't great and the jokes are cringe worthy at times but the episode was worth it for that -brief- ass kicking.
Anyone who has proven superhuman strength, awesome skill and h2h speed, and ability to catch a bullet is not going to get their face punched off by CA, even if Ozy allowed him to hit him in the face. Ozy's skill and h2h speed makes up more than the slight strength advantage (at most twice as strong). He may not even get hit by Cap at all and counter every attack. Stop assuming Ozy is a regular human with regular human stats. He has shown to be easily superhuman by far. Hell Cap didn't knock the regular human's faces off after hitting them.