Oh come on...
He used the amulet, you yourself have said so a dozen times... He put the amulet in Nadd, which would logically make the attack all that more powerful and he hated Nadd far more then he hated the beast which would again only make the attack more powerful based on what the narrator tells us about the amulet... So how is it invalid?
How could Kun his amulet kill people with one blast if we have never seen it, and how could he continue to use it when it almost took control of him, could he use it in a fight against another powerful force user? Prove up.
Except the scans make your assertion wrong. Exar did not do the same thing to Nadd that he did the beasts. Period. He simply stuck his hand inside Nadd and Nadd was able to make a little spiel to Satal/Aleema before he faded from existence.
Besides that, he was a ****ing spirit, Fishy. He was not a physical object, ergo you have to prove why he'd be able to die in the same manner as a flesh-and-blood being. Since you can't, he doesn't.
How could Kun his amulet kill people with one blast if we have never seen it
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. We see it tear through stone and beasts. Human beings are not made of tougher stuff than those things, ergo the blast will have the exact same effect.
and how could he continue to use it when it almost took control of him
Because it didn't control him. I already answered this point, but of course you're blind.
Yes, a Kun that had embraced the Dark Side just seconds previously said he could just barely direct the blast. This means that uber Kun of the Sith War can't either? I think not.He also says his hand is burned. Look at the first scan I posted in this reply. Look burned to you?
could he use it in a fight against another powerful force user?
There is no reason to assume he cannot. You prove up. We see him use this ability. There is no reason to assume he cannot continue to use it.
Actually IKC like I already said, the amulet was powered by his own hatred and power. If he would become more powerful the amulet would become more powerful. Ergo the danger of him falling to it would also become greater... Its a super weapon but he fears it for some reason and he would most likely not use it unless he had no other option. So don't acuse me of being blind when you fail to read my posts.
and really he still used the amulet did he not? Thats how he killed Nadd ,you said it yourself a dozen times. The amulet was unable to kill Nadd who he hated more then the beast in one swift attack...
and humans are of course build differently then a spirit a wall or a sith beast but the force makes people more powerful...
Actually IKC like I already said, the amulet was powered by his own hatred and power.
Your point is still moot because he didn't perform the same action.
If he would become more powerful the amulet would become more powerful.
You just contradicted yourself. His anger is what powers his blasts, one doesn't gain more Force potential as they get older.
Your point is still moot because he didn't perform the same action.
Ergo the danger of him falling to it would also become greater... ts a super weapon but he fears it for some reason and he would most likely not use it unless he had no other option.
WTF? Falling to it? It's a goddamn tool, Fishy. There is nothing to indicate that it can control him. Now you're just making shit up.
Your point is still moot because he didn't perform the same action.
So don't acuse me of being blind when you fail to read my posts.
You are blind because you fail to see things I post multiple times and now you're making shit up.
and really he still used the amulet did he not?
Yeah. I can use a hammer both to pound in a nail and break a piece of wood. Does that mean I'm performing the same action?
Thats how he killed Nadd ,you said it yourself a dozen times. The amulet was unable to kill Nadd who he hated more then the beast in one swift attack...
HE WASN'T PERFORMING THE SAME ****ING ACTION, FISHY!
Look. At. The. Scans.
and humans are of course build differently then a spirit a wall or a sith beast but the force makes people more powerful...
And there is no evidence that someone powered by the Force will be able to block a blast like that.
But okay. I'm going to shoot directly at Luke Skywalker with the Death Star. He going to absorb that because of "zOMG TEH FURCE?"
I think not. Go to bed.
Originally posted by IKC
Your point is still moot because he didn't perform the same action.
He used the same weapon, it had the same effect it practically did the same thing only difference is that it didn't shoot a beam... Unless you can prove that the amulet could use several different kind of attacks it was the same attack done differently.
You just contradicted yourself. His anger is what powers his blasts, one doesn't gain more Force potential as they get older.
his anger and his power, power the blast. You said he became more powerful.
Your point is still moot because he didn't perform the same action.
Read above
WTF? Falling to it? It's a goddamn tool, Fishy. There is nothing to indicate that it can control him. Now you're just making shit up.
He said so himself
Read the indeed it almost destroyed him part...
Your point is still moot because he didn't perform the same action.
Read abobve
You are blind because you fail to see things I post multiple times and now you're making shit up.
I'm making shit up? You are the one thats making shit up, like the freezing the entire senate and all the Jedi there thing... Don't accuse me of something I didn't do. And try proving instead of just saying next time.
Yeah. I can use a hammer both to pound in a nail and break a piece of wood. Does that mean I'm performing the same action?
Read above
HE WASN'T PERFORMING THE SAME ****ING ACTION, FISHY!Look. At. The. Scans.
Read above..
And there is no evidence that someone powered by the Force will be able to block a blast like that.
Still it never killed somebody instantly, and if it was trully unblockable unstoppable or would kill on impact he would have used it against Ragnos which he didn't.
But okay. I'm going to shoot directly at Luke Skywalker with the Death Star. He going to absorb that because of "zOMG TEH FURCE?"
Ridiculious statement, I never even said anything to that extent and if thats how you are going to debate I suggest you just stop.
I think not. Go to bed.
Says the guy who gets pissed of over an argument... You might try doing this yourself... You seem irritated.
He used the same weapon, it had the same effect it practically did the same thing only difference is that it didn't shoot a beam... Unless you can prove that the amulet could use several different kind of attacks it was the same attack done differently.
Unless I can prove that it can do different things? I can prove a hammer does different things, but here you go:
Done assuming it only has one use yet? Done talking out your ass yet?
his anger and his power, power the blast. You said he became more powerful.
No, I said his anger powers the blast. That's what the narration says. The amulet doesn't have power, it doesn't get powerful with him.
Read the indeed it almost destroyed him part...
And then read where in the Sith War he makes another identical amulet. Boy, he sure did fear his own tools, didn't he? Obviously he can control them, especially since he gained a lot more experience since DLotS and TSW.
I'm making shit up? You are the one thats making shit up, like the freezing the entire senate and all the Jedi there thing... Don't accuse me of something I didn't do. And try proving instead of just saying next time.
I have never said he froze the Jedi. Are you drunk? Quote me for truth, you're making shit up again.
Freezing the Senate, however, is not made up. Here you go:
I even pointed out that there's one million member systems in the PT era, along with over fifty million invididual colonies on top of that. Even if you argue and assume that a fraction of that was available in Kun's time, that's still over a million senators.
Still it never killed somebody instantly, and if it was trully unblockable unstoppable or would kill on impact he would have used it against Ragnos which he didn't.
It killed each monster he fired a beam at instantly, as is evidenced by the narration. Your assumptions mean jack shit in this debate because the scans contradict you.
WTF are you talking about? He would have used it against Ragnos? What the hell? What motivation would he have had to use it against the spirit of Marka Ragnos who is busy crowning him as the Dark Lord of the Sith? You must be drunk.
Ridiculious statement, I never even said anything to that extent and if thats how you are going to debate I suggest you just stop.
And so is the ridiculous assumption that a Force user would not be blown apart by the amulet blasts because of "zOMG teh furce!111!"
It's a parody of your logic.
You might try doing this yourself... You seem irritated.
Because you're blind and seem drunk. You say ridiculous things without even thinking about them. Go to bed.
Originally posted by IKC
[B]Unless I can prove that it can do different things? I can prove a hammer does different things, but here you go:Done assuming it only has one use yet? Done talking out your ass yet?
Amulet is on his right hand in that scan, the amulet he used against Nadd was left, done talking out of your ass yet.
No, I said his anger powers the blast. That's what the narration says. The amulet doesn't have power, it doesn't get powerful with him.
But if he becomes more powerful the amulet would do the same, if not then the amulet is really only useful in a weakened state. Because eventually he would become more powerful calm then angry. And still he would have hated Nadd more then the beast so the attack would have been more powerful.
And then read where in the Sith War he makes another identical amulet. Boy, he sure did fear his own tools, didn't he? Obviously he can control them, especially since he gained a lot more experience since DLotS and TSW.
Oh yes and of course there is no difference between an amulet he created and an amulet Sadow created.
I have never said he froze the Jedi. Are you drunk? Quote me for truth, you're making shit up again.
Actually you have plenty of times in arguments for Exar. You said a great many times he froze the entire senate and the Jedi there except for the only one poweful enough to stand up to him Vodo.
Freezing the Senate, however, is not made up. Here you go:
I know and I never claimed that.
It killed each monster he fired a beam at instantly, as is evidenced by the narration. Your assumptions mean jack shit in this debate because the scans contradict you.
I must be drunk and tired then becuase I don't see it claiming that, if anything the comic shows him firing several times
WTF are you talking about? He would have used it against Ragnos? What the hell? What motivation would he have had to use it against the spirit of Marka Ragnos who is busy crowning him as the Dark Lord of the Sith? You must be drunk.
Talking about Sadow here...
And so is the ridiculous assumption that a Force user would not be blown apart by the amulet blasts because of "zOMG teh furce!111!"
Ridiculous only because you do not like it... I'm just saying that perhaps it isn't able to do that.
It's a parody of your logic.
Stop being so childish.
Because you're blind and seem drunk. You say ridiculous things without even thinking about them. Go to bed.
I'm not the one thats started getting personal here IKC, please drop the attitude
Amulet is on his right hand in that scan, the amulet he used against Nadd was left, done talking out of your ass yet.
Yes, that's the duplicate he built for himself. I'm sure glad you know what you're talking about... oh wait.
I'm glad you assume that the amulets only have one function, too.
But if he becomes more powerful the amulet would do the same, if not then the amulet is really only useful in a weakened state. Because eventually he would become more powerful calm then angry. And still he would have hated Nadd more then the beast so the attack would have been more powerful.
Except not, because you cannot gain Force potential. Ergo, he cannot just "become" more powerful. The amulet can't gain power. The amulet allows you to unleash "tremendous" energies with your anger.
And again, he doesn't perform the same action against Nadd as he does the beast. LOOK AT THE SCANS.
Oh yes and of course there is no difference between an amulet he created and an amulet Sadow created.
And why would there be? Most Sith knowledge he learned came from Sadow. Prove that they're different or don't talk out your ass.
Actually you have plenty of times in arguments for Exar. You said a great many times he froze the entire senate and the Jedi there except for the only one poweful enough to stand up to him Vodo.
No, bullshit. I have stated just the opposite. Now you're making shit up. Quote me for truth.
In fact, I have stated that Vodo wasn't present to be frozen. I have stated that the Jedi weren't frozen but that they were so beneath him that he didn't bother with them.
All of the Senate and their guards were frozen. That's over a million different beings at the lowest.
I know and I never claimed that.
You just did. Read up.
I must be drunk and tired then becuase I don't see it claiming that, if anything the comic shows him firing several times
LOOK AT THE SCANS! SECOND ONE!
"--And each blast consumes another of Naga Sadow's horrors!" - Omniscient Narrator
And each blast rips through everything it touches in the scans. That's death, right there.
Talking about Sadow here...
Then say Sadow, damnit. And Marka must have had a defense or an even better weapon. You cannot assume Luke does, however, because Luke knows jack shit about Sith artifacts and magic.
Ridiculous only because you do not like it... I'm just saying that perhaps it isn't able to do that.
You're saying it with no evidence. The onus is on you, and you're drunk.
Stop being so childish.
I guess Illustrious is childish when he does the same thing.
I'm not the one thats started getting personal here IKC, please drop the attitude
You are the one posting drunk and not making any sense whatsoever. Go to bed.
Originally posted by IKC
Yes, that's the duplicate he built for himself. I'm sure glad you know what you're talking about... oh wait.I'm glad you assume that the amulets only have one function, too.
I'm glad your assuming otherwise without prove, and even more so when you assume that he build the amulete in the exact same way... Wow, any prove for that? Or does it just fit into your argument?
Except not, because you cannot gain Force potential. Ergo, he cannot just "become" more powerful. The amulet can't gain power. The amulet allows you to unleash "tremendous" energies with your anger.
Right, so effectively the amulet would be useless if somebody would reach his limit of power, if somebody would become more powerful in a normal state more controlled then angry? Right? The blast becomes more powerful each times he fires each time his anger increases.. But if it really only relies on anger and potential and not on power then the amulet really makes Exar kun weaker then we previously assumed. Becuase it takes no skill at all, and TPM anakin with that amulet could have WTFPwned pretty much everybody.
And again, he doesn't perform the same action against Nadd as he does the beast. LOOK AT THE SCANS.
and again, unless you can prove the amulet can do more then one sort of attack when we only see it doing one thing, then this isn't going to cut it.
And why would there be? Most Sith knowledge he learned came from Sadow. Prove that they're different or don't talk out your ass.
Prove that they are different? We see one amulet do one thing the other another, unless you can prove that they can do the same thing they can't. Your asking me to prove they can't, when there is no evidence that they can.
No, bullshit. I have stated just the opposite. Now you're making shit up. Quote me for truth.
Let me search i'll come back on this later.
In fact, I have stated that Vodo wasn't present to be frozen. I have stated that the Jedi weren't frozen but that they were so beneath him that he didn't bother with them.
I'll go find the quote
All of the Senate and their guards were frozen. That's over a million different beings at the lowest.
Ah look a big ass stadium could that house a million people? Very much doubt it, doesn't seem all that big to me really, and definitly not big enough to house a million people let alone stand far more...
You just did. Read up.
No, I... Wait i'm not even going to say it.
LOOK AT THE SCANS! SECOND ONE!"--And each blast consumes another of Naga Sadow's horrors!" - Omniscient Narrator
And each blast rips through everything it touches in the scans. That's death, right there.
thats one
And thats two, shot straight through the guy... impressive indeed, but didn't kill him in one shot...
Then say Sadow, damnit. And Marka must have had a defense or an even better weapon. You cannot assume Luke does, however, because Luke knows jack shit about Sith artifacts and magic.
Or perhaps the weapon couldn't have killed him?
You're saying it with no evidence. The onus is on you, and you're drunk.
Pretty damn sober here... And there is plenty of evidence.... Well nothing conclusive really, but you can't provide that either thats why we are arguing...
I guess Illustrious is childish when he does the same thing.
No, because he doesn't do the same thing. If he would do what you are doing now though then yes he would be childish...
You are the one posting drunk and not making any sense whatsoever. Go to bed.
and your an ignorant boy with a rat nose go to school, does that make any sense? No it doesn't. Stop saying it... I won't do it because you want me too.
So with that blast it didn't kill him with 1 shot, nice try IKC..Secondly, what fishy said about the amulet also seems accurate..
Right, so effectively the amulet would be useless if somebody would reach his limit of power, if somebody would become more powerful in a normal state more controlled then angry? Right? The blast becomes more powerful each times he fires each time his anger increases.. But if it really only relies on anger and potential and not on power then the amulet really makes Exar kun weaker then we previously assumed. Becuase it takes no skill at all, and TPM anakin with that amulet could have WTFPwned pretty much everybody.
I enjoy being called a troll, fanboy
