I think storm can beat colossus with a ring out. Just throw him out of the battlefield. I doubt that will hurt him, but atleast thats one less member you have to worry about.I think snoop has proven with enough scans that more often than not, colossus can indeed stand up to storms lightning attacks.
Originally posted by willRules
I think everyone has left Beast out of this. He is often underestimated even inside the MU itself. He could easily be jumping around knocking out opponents, plus he is far more intelligent than everyone else in this fight, he has worked with them before and will know their moves.To quote Beast from astonishing X-men 12 (talking to the danger-room-robot)
"Im sure you have thousands of complex scenarios running through your head. Mines simple. I'm a cat. You're a bird, And the day I can't out-think a computer, I may as well give up."
For those of you who haven't read that issue he defeated a robot whilst protecting Xavier. This robot knew every X-man/woman's strength, weaknesses and fighting styles, and had just defeated all the astonishing X-men. Beast beat it by himself, whilst looking over Xavier.
My point is that Beast is vastly underrated for this fight considering his immense strength, speed, intellect and the fact he knows each X-man here.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He's only class 2 and amongst TKs, tps and high level energy manipulators hes small fry.
I would have said the same thing until I read Astonishing X-men 12. He took down a robot that had defeated a telepath, a long range energy opponent, one of the world's best fighters and healers, a metal man, and the equivalent to a ghost.
He has also worked with all of them before and is unbelievably intelligent.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus wasn't hurt by Storms lighting that time either and Storm was amped up if I remember right. He said something on the lines of he can withstand their onslaught or something like that.
Storm was hardly amped up as such. Its not like her powers were enhanced by an outside power source. She was however applying her power with less restraint than she otherwise normally would due to Dr Dooms actions. Would she not be doing the same in a bloodlust, battle to the death scenario?
I take it youre talking about this:
Storm can alter the properties of her lightning. Colossus' melting point is 9000 degress fahrenheit.
Heres a few sites referencing the temperature of lightning bolts:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/DavidFriedman.shtml
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00032.htm
http://www.abc15.com/weather/wow/tellusbellis-story.asp?did=13399
Heres a kelvin,celsius and fahrenheit converter:
http://sidney.heartland.net/courtney/java/temperature/
Imagine Storm amping up the temperature, singling him out and striking him with a focused barrage of the stuff. Colossus holding Storm as shes discharging lightning or Colossus shrugging off a single lightning bolt is totally different to her singling him out and attacking him. In the Arkon incident for example she wasnt amping up the heat.
Colossus withstanding a lightning bolt in the past is hardly impressive as humans have done the same, its down to the short lived nature of the discharge. Lightning can far exceed Colossus' melting point and Storm can alter its properties and focus it on him. She'd take him out if need be.
Just so that you can picture the possibilities heres a lil visual aid:
Originally posted by willRules
I would have said the same thing until I read Astonishing X-men 12. He took down a robot that had defeated a telepath, a long range energy opponent, one of the world's best fighters and healers, a metal man, and the equivalent to a ghost.He has also worked with all of them before and is unbelievably intelligent.
Its not as simple as that. You cant say oh he's beat him/her, who has defeated blah blah blah so that means he can beat this person and that person. It just doesnt work like that in battle.
One strong energy blast from any one of the energy manipulators in opposition will kill him quite easily.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Well Tk shield is good and all but Psylocke hasn't displayed feats to indicate she has the sufficient energy to shield the entire team against an enemy who has a class 100 tonner on their side. That's too much strain taking onto account another guy who can shoot beams that can destroy a small forest.And emma doesn't need to go into defensive all the times, if she can control bishop or havok or some other people in the uncanny's team who haven't displayed absurd amounts of willpower, she can turn the tide all by herself and wouldn't need to worry if Kitty phases herself along with her.
Psylocke doesnt need to shield the entire team, only those most vulnerable to attack. Youre also making it out like the battles going to be some feature length epic, not necessarily. As stated on panel Psylocke possesses a greater tk output currently than Marvel Girl who has a number of great TK feats. It will hold long enough for the oppositions most dangerous members to be taken care of.
Most of the Astonishing team can have their hearts stopped or their necks snapped by Psylocke with a thought, split seconds after the start of the battle. Something she could easily do whilst protecting the vulnerable members of her team.
Emmas tp will not be given a chance to come into play. The team knows she can only Use it in normal form. With a thought her necks snapped by Psylockes tp or shes taken out by any one of the energy manipulators on the Uncanny team. Theyre just possibilities. The more likely scenario is that Emma will be forced to remain in diamond form. There are just too many people with long range powers.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
One strong energy blast from any one of the energy manipulators in opposition will kill him quite easily.
Umm...Beast...probably one of the top 5 in Marvel when it comes to dodging...and since the most accurate team member is on his side...
Psylocke's telekinesis would work, though.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Umm...Beast...probably one of the top 5 in Marvel when it comes to dodging...and since the most accurate team member is on his side...Psylocke's telekinesis would work, though.
When Beast is proven to move at the speed of thought then i'll consider this a counter to my quoted statement.
They still need to get a bead on Beast, and concetrate on blasting the place he is in. I think he will be moving far faster from them to do so...
Their attacks don't appear instantly. Near-instantly. And for someone with reflexes and speed far past humans, it wouldn't be that hard to move before they can make their attacks. Beast has practiced with computer generated lasers in Danger Room since he was 15.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
There is only one time i've seen Colossus admitting he gets hurt by lightning and that was on Rogue Storm(massive powerup from Psychological trauma). If you can provide any other issues, it's well appreciated.
that's what time i was talking about, and now with her powers maturing throughout the years, she has performed similar feats to the rogue storm incident and should be able to conjure similar lightning. also, she froze colossus "in the blink of an eye" in issue 1 of x-men, volume 1. here's how the scenario went
colossus came at storm ready to fight her, she instantly froze the ground and blew him over. he was frozen in a block of ice before he could even get up. also, she performed this feat while bleeding to death.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They still need to get a bead on Beast, and concetrate on blasting the place he is in. I think he will be moving far faster from them to do so...Their attacks don't appear instantly. Near-instantly. And for someone with reflexes and speed far past humans, it wouldn't be that hard to move before they can make their attacks. Beast has practiced with computer generated lasers in Danger Room since he was 15.
Beast is not the Flash, Beast is not even Spiderman. Lasers in the Danger room cannot have their trajectory altered mid blast. Big difference.
Their power blasts dont have to manifest instantaneously the speed they travel at and the fact that their direction can be altered with a thought is all that matters.
Beast may be able to react faster than them, but he cannot move faster than their energy projectiles.
He'll get taken down.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They still need to get a bead on Beast, and concetrate on blasting the place he is in. I think he will be moving far faster from them to do so...Their attacks don't appear instantly. Near-instantly. And for someone with reflexes and speed far past humans, it wouldn't be that hard to move before they can make their attacks. Beast has practiced with computer generated lasers in Danger Room since he was 15.
lightning moves faster than the speed of thought...a lot faster. it would be very hard to dodge at least three, and don't forget storm has been training in the use of her powers before she was even 15, and has been fighting since she was 6, so she is definitely experienced enough to hit him.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its not as simple as that. You cant say oh he's beat him/her, who has defeated blah blah blah so that means he can beat this person and that person. It just doesnt work like that in battle.One strong energy blast from any one of the energy manipulators in opposition will kill him quite easily.
Oh I agree that we can't just judge his previous feats, but we have to look at things such as stats the environment, the opponents, allies, numerous other factors etc.
Beast's stats aren't exactly flawed either compared to the Uncanny team members stats. He is more agile, stronger, quicker and probably has better reflexes than many of the uncanny team. It really depends on who he is fighting. If it is Storm for example, she could just fly up away from him and keep on firing till she eventually hits. But if Beast were fighting, for example, Bishop, he pretty much outweighs Bishop physically in every way and Bishop has no distinct advantage over him eg. flight.
Plus I don't really agree with the statement that a strong energy blast will kill him off. I could just as easily say that Beast would dodge the attack due to the fact he has enhanced agility and the fact that (Like Darkcrawler said) the most accurate energy member is on the same team...............
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Beast is not the Flash, Beast is not even Spiderman. Lasers in the Danger room cannot have their trajectory altered mid blast. Big difference.Their power blasts dont have to manifest instantaneously the speed they travel at and the fact that their direction can be altered with a thought is all that matters.
Beast may be able to react faster than them, but he cannot move faster than their energy projectiles.
He'll get taken down.
but he holds a huge environmental advantage with this. The teams are fighting in the danger-room. A physically enhanced Beast is much more likely to dodge a stray laser or buzzsaw than Psylocke or Storm.
