i'd say stonishing, simply for the fact that they've all worked alot closer together as a team than the others imo...
adding the fact that half the training programs were designed by cyclops, i think he'll use that to his advantage...
x-23 is a non element imo, storms lightning wont put down colossus easily imo (he's been hit by lightning before, and he wasnt hurt as badly as some would think), he's also taken massive blasts from havok in his stride... wolverine can take bishop hand to hand, and emma can hit the rest with tp attacks... then there's shadowcat, beast and cyclops... i'll go for astonishing...
Originally posted by pr1983
i'd say stonishing, simply for the fact that they've all worked alot closer together as a team than the others imo...adding the fact that half the training programs were designed by cyclops, i think he'll use that to his advantage...
x-23 is a non element imo, storms lightning wont put down colossus easily imo (he's been hit by lightning before, and he wasnt hurt as badly as some would think), he's also taken massive blasts from havok in his stride... wolverine can take bishop hand to hand, and emma can hit the rest with tp attacks... then there's shadowcat, beast and cyclops... i'll go for astonishing...
The Uncanny team have had many years working together as a team as well. Both sides do, so much so no side has any real advantage on that point over the other. On the whole both teams have a wealth of experience working as a team.
Merely saying Colossus has hit by lightning before is not a counter for the point that Storm can take him out. Colossus has been hit by a bolt of lightning various times. Colossus has even withstood a barrage which leaked off Storm as he held her. Totally different to being attacked by a barrage of lightning which has had its temperature amped up to beyond Colossus' melting point.
He can be slowed down and via tk or winds before eventually being fatally wounded by amped up lightining.
Wolverine can take Bishop h2h eventually but Bishop can hold his own against Wolverine in terms of h2h combat :
On top of that Bishops mutant abilities will ensure he can deal with Wolverine. Singing the flesh off his bones will leave him out of the battle for the duration.
Emmas tp can quite easily be rendered a non factor in this battle. For the aforementioned reasons. If she dares to try to use it shes risks getting incinerated, dismembered or basically stomped be it through the opposition or the danger room. She'll be in diamond form. ✅
Shadowcats been shown to be vulnerable to electricity, she has also never been shown to be able to walk through tk fields. Betsy can trap her until her breath runs out then crush her when she turns physical.
Beast is pretty much a non factor if we're being serious and Cyclops still has human durability. He cant hurt Betsy, Bishop or Havok, yet all of Uncanny can take him out with half the chance.
Keep in mind this is taking place in the danger room, and Cyclops is known for making bank shots. Also, still recall Colossus withstanding electricity far more often than it's been able to stop him. As for the factor of telepathy, remember that Storm demolished Emma Frost back when Emma and her switched bodies.
Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Keep in mind this is taking place in the danger room, and Cyclops is known for making bank shots. Also, still recall Colossus withstanding electricity far more often than it's been able to stop him. As for the factor of telepathy, remember that Storm demolished Emma Frost back when Emma and her switched bodies.
Cyclops blasts can be blocked via tk and theres a number of Uncanny who wont be troubled by them i.e Havok and Bishop.
Cyclops is high risk along with the Emma. One tk snap of the neck deals with him.
Read back through the thread and you'll see why youre comment on Colossus and lightning makes no difference. Were the circumstances the same for each incident. Does Colossus withstanding a single bolt of lightning a few times on seperate occassions have any relevance? ❌
Before you answer that please read the thread.
Whether hes stopped by Storm or he's teleported halfway through a wall by Nightcrawler he will get taken down.
The scenario is too dangerous for Emma to risk tp. She'll be in diamond form.
The rest of the team are pushovers.
Originally posted by phillipan
Are we still asuming emma cant use telepathy in diamond form because we all know shes done it in astonishing before i think in issue 4 or 5.
Shes done it once before. It doesnt become canon until the ability is supported by other writers and the handbooks. After that issue came out numerous handbooks came out reiterating that Emma could not use telepathy in diamond form, therefore its not canon. Mark it off as a slip up/bad writing.
Originally posted by GalacticStormShe's also been shown on numerous occasions to be intangible to various energy including electricity. And she has been shown to be resistant to TK. If she passed out from lack of oxygen she'd be intangible... because it's her natural state.
Shadowcats been shown to be vulnerable to electricity, she has also never been shown to be able to walk through tk fields. Betsy can trap her until her breath runs out then crush her when she turns physical.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She's also been shown on numerous occasions to be intangible to various energy including electricity. And she has been shown to be resistant to TK. If she passed out from lack of oxygen she'd be intangible... because it's her natural state.
No evidence to show that she can walk through tk fields. Resistance doesnt equal immunity. Whether shes tangible or intangible when she passes out is really rather irrelevant wouldnt you agree? 😕
Originally posted by GalacticStormThere's no evidence that Psylocke can crush her when Jean couldn't drag her... off the top of my head it was some issue of Excalibur where the team had to face off against the original X-Men.
No evidence to show that she can walk through tk fields. Resistance doesnt equal immunity. Whether shes tangible or intangible when she passes out is really rather irrelevant wouldnt you agree? 😕
Not really irrelevant. You're presupposing she has to breathe when intangible. It's been stated that intangible is her natural state, and that she consciously wills herself to become tangible. Tell me how does one breathe when they need to consciously become tangible but are unconscious?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's no evidence that Psylocke can crush her when Jean couldn't drag her... off the top of my head it was some issue of Excalibur where the team had to face off against the original X-Men.Not really irrelevant. You're presupposing she has to breathe when intangible. It's been stated that intangible is her natural state, and that she consciously wills herself to become tangible. Tell me how does one breathe when they need to consciously become tangible but are unconscious?
Kitty however cannot just not concentrate and allow herself to be intangible all the time otherwise as stated by Reed and Dr Doom she would lose all cohesion and her molecules would be dispersed. (Really not an option im thinking. 😕 ) Hence their experiment on her which made it so that through concentration she could make herself solid again like she was originally. A process which brings about all the weaknesses of her original form as well such as the need to hold her breath in order to remain intangible. All this being well supported in her bio.
Please have a read and get back to me with your thoughts. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Uncanny team have had many years working together as a team as well. Both sides do, so much so no side has any real advantage on that point over the other. On the whole both teams have a wealth of experience working as a team.
i disagree... cyclops and beast have worked together since they were kids, and for a long time cyclops, colossus and wolverine were on the same team, so i do believe there is a definate advantage, the uncanny team to me looks rather splintered... adding to that, that cyclops is considered a tactical genius (nick fury said so 😛) and is considered one of the best leaders in marvel... sounds like an advantage to me...
Merely saying Colossus has hit by lightning before is not a counter for the point that Storm can take him out. Colossus has been hit by a bolt of lightning various times. Colossus has even withstood a barrage which leaked off Storm as he held her. Totally different to being attacked by a barrage of lightning which has had its temperature amped up to beyond Colossus' melting point.
we're assuming storm can find his melting point? he's taken a full power blast from havok and barely been phased... and he's used himself as a lightning rod before... he conducts electricity, which can dull storms effects on him imo...
He can be slowed down and via tk or winds before eventually being fatally wounded by amped up lightining.
so storm and betsy will be so free to take their time to cast such effects?
Wolverine can take Bishop h2h eventually but Bishop can hold his own against Wolverine in terms of h2h combat :On top of that Bishops mutant abilities will ensure he can deal with Wolverine. Singing the flesh off his bones will leave him out of the battle for the duration.
assuming bishop can hit him, and not forgetting logan will use his claws in a h2h fight won't he?
Emmas tp can quite easily be rendered a non factor in this battle. For the aforementioned reasons. If she dares to try to use it shes risks getting incinerated, dismembered or basically stomped be it through the opposition or the danger room. She'll be in diamond form. ✅
not especially... cyclops, storm, bishop and havok are all vulnerable too, and if they can stay alive why can't emma? and if she isn't in diamond form that leaves her to use her somewhat formidable tp powers...
Shadowcats been shown to be vulnerable to electricity, she has also never been shown to be able to walk through tk fields. Betsy can trap her until her breath runs out then crush her when she turns physical.
all shadowcat has to do is phase through the floor, problem solved... she could even take logan or beast with her...
Beast is pretty much a non factor if we're being serious and Cyclops still has human durability. He cant hurt Betsy, Bishop or Havok, yet all of Uncanny can take him out with half the chance.
underestimating beast imo is a bad idea, he took danger down himself, and in bloodlust mode (if thats how the fight is), he can cause serious damage...
havok cant hurt cyke either, and why cant he hurt betsy? he can level a small forest, she's bound to be strained by him pelting her forcefield with blasts... and he is no less durable than you or i (unless you're a superhero in your spare time 😛), same goes for bishop, shadowcat, havok, emma and storm...
Originally posted by pr1983
i disagree... cyclops and beast have worked together since they were kids, and for a long time cyclops, colossus and wolverine were on the same team, so i do believe there is a definate advantage, the uncanny team to me looks rather splintered... adding to that, that cyclops is considered a tactical genius (nick fury said so 😛) and is considered one of the best leaders in marvel... sounds like an advantage to me...we're assuming storm can find his melting point? he's taken a full power blast from havok and barely been phased... and he's used himself as a lightning rod before... he conducts electricity, which can dull storms effects on him imo...
so storm and betsy will be so free to take their time to cast such effects?
assuming bishop can hit him, and not forgetting logan will use his claws in a h2h fight won't he?
not especially... cyclops, storm, bishop and havok are all vulnerable too, and if they can stay alive why can't emma? and if she isn't in diamond form that leaves her to use her somewhat formidable tp powers...
all shadowcat has to do is phase through the floor, problem solved... she could even take logan or beast with her...
underestimating beast imo is a bad idea, he took danger down himself, and in bloodlust mode (if thats how the fight is), he can cause serious damage...
havok cant hurt cyke either, and why cant he hurt betsy? he can level a small forest, she's bound to be strained by him pelting her forcefield with blasts... and he is no less durable than you or i (unless you're a superhero in your spare time 😛), same goes for bishop, shadowcat, havok, emma and storm...
Whoa!! 😱 I'll have to get back to this when im feeling less of a lazy b*stard.
