Astonishing vs Uncanny, Big X-men battle!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Kitty however cannot just not concentrate and allow herself to be intangible all the time otherwise as stated by Reed and Dr Doom she would lose all cohesion and her molecules would be dispersed. (Really not an option im thinking. 😕 ) Hence their experiment on her which made it so that through concentration she could make herself solid again like she was originally. A process which brings about all the weaknesses of her original form as well such as the need to hold her breath in order to remain intangible. All this being well supported in her bio.

Please have a read and get back to me with your thoughts. 🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How exactly does one hold their breath when their bodies can pass through solid, liquid and gaseous matter, as well as on several occasions various forms of energy?

I was thinking that as well................

I remember an issue where the X-Men are in space, and Kitty only starts to worry about his breathing when he gets outside the ship...

BUMP

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... never got a reply to my question. When Kitty is unconscious she is intangible. Pray tell how? In a battle she's just constantly holding her breath? Wow if a battle lasts more than a few minutes she's pretty much screwed. How exactly does one hold their breath when their bodies can pass through solid, liquid and gaseous matter, as well as on several occasions various forms of energy?

After her accident, Kitty is naturally intangible however she cannot just allow herself to remain in such a state or she will totally lose molecular cohesion and she will be dispersed. Through concentration Kitty reverts back to her original form, along with its original features i.e her having to hold her breath to become and remain intangible( as detailed in her bio)

How Kitty holds her breath while intangible is a question you'll have to direct at Marvel. Regardless its what happens as depicted on panel and as stated in her bio. So your point is irrelevant. Marvels bad science doesnt affect my argument or give you a leg to stand on. It is what it is. Sorry mate. 🙁

Eight sequential pages in which Shadowcat remains phased throughout. Note she talks quite a bit while phased. Note this is after the Morlock Massacre. If she does need to hold her breath apparently she can do it for as long as she wants.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Eight sequential pages in which Shadowcat remains phased throughout. Note she talks quite a bit while phased. Note this is after the Morlock Massacre. If she does need to hold her breath apparently she can do it for as long as she wants.

Kitty as documented on panel and in her bios is unable to breathe whilst phasing. Does that mean she is incapable of talking whilst phasing?

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7805221980.jpg&s=x11

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Do panels tend to document every single bodily function of their featured characters? ❌

Does that mean therefore that for all we know Kitty could have become solid at undocumented intervals to enable her to breathe? 😖hifty:

With the above in mind, are X's scans inconclusive? ✅

Never mind. 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Kitty as documented on panel and in her bios is unable to breathe whilst phasing. Does that mean she is incapable of talking whilst phasing?

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7805221980.jpg&s=x11

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Do panels tend to document every single bodily function of their featured characters? ❌

Does that mean therefore that for all we know Kitty could have become solid at undocumented intervals to enable her to breathe? 😖hifty:

With the above in mind, are X's scans inconclusive? ✅

Never mind. 🙁

Its not really been disproved though. These scans support what Xmarksthespot said. Saying that might not be all we see of the story isn't concrete evidence against that 😉

Originally posted by willRules
Its not really been disproved though. These scans support what Xmarksthespot said. Saying that might not be all we see of the story isn't concrete evidence against that 😉

X is questioning a fundamental aspect of Kittys abilities. A feature that has been stated and depicted many a time on panel and was also stated in her last bio. X's opinion to the contrary are irrelevant in light of that. His scans imply his contrary opinion but given that his OPINION is flat out incorrect according to the bio and on panel accounts it really doesnt matter. Please understand that. 😉

Originally posted by willRules
Its not really been disproved though. These scans support what Xmarksthespot said. Saying that might not be all we see of the story isn't concrete evidence against that 😉

Really? 😕

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7812215231.jpg&s=x11

X's opinion in light of this is irrelevant.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Kitty as documented on panel and in her bios is unable to breathe whilst phasing. Does that mean she is incapable of talking whilst phasing?

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7805221980.jpg&s=x11

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Do panels tend to document every single bodily function of their featured characters? ❌

Does that mean therefore that for all we know Kitty could have become solid at undocumented intervals to enable her to breathe? 😖hifty:

With the above in mind, are X's scans inconclusive? ✅

Never mind. 🙁

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm pretty sure your scan is from Kitty Pryde and Wolverine, i.e. from before the Morlock Massacre when her solid state is still default. You probably know this but are showing it anyway as if it proves something? I can show multiple images of her knocked out and default phased, without her molecules dispersing into the air. She only had trouble staying solid for a period after she was reconstituted by Reed and Doom, I'm quite certain she's overcome this by now and she's been depicted as so. Although worded badly the bio implies she cannot breathe when she is phased into solid objects, not that she cannot breathe at all. Multiple depictions of her show that she can maintain a phased state for prolonged periods of time.

So you've changed it up slightly and now believe that she is unable to breathe only whilst phasing through solid objects as opposed to your previous stance which dismissed all notion of Kitty being unable to breathe in a phased state at all. You've progressed. I wondered how long it would take for you to figure that out. Its cool. I'll accept that. 🙂

Backup plan. Psylocke will just tk slam Wolverine into her:

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With her laid out in pain and quite usefully solid, TK snap, lightning bolt, plasma blast you name it either one will suffice. Bye bye Ms Pryde. 🙁

I knew Wolvie would come in handy somewhere down the line. 😄

😆 SLASH!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Backup plan. Psylocke will just tk slam Wolverine into her:

thats assuming Kitty isn't already phased underground..........

Originally posted by willRules
thats assuming Kitty isn't already phased underground..........

Forgive me if im wrong but I dont believe you specified prep time for Ms Pryde. 😕

On top of that Kitty can only phase through objects at the rate of speed she was moving prior. She would have to dive underground. Im sure Psylocke could tag Ms Pryde from the get go if it was her intent to do so.

On top of that X has yet to provide evidence of Kitty walking through tk shields.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With her laid out in pain and quite usefully solid, TK snap, lightning bolt, plasma blast you name it either one will suffice. Bye bye Ms Pryde. 🙁

What exactly happens next in your series of scans? Kitty Pryde is alive right now as far as I know.

And i never said she walked through TK shields.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wonder how long it takes to get across that her default state isn't solid. Why would she become solid out of pain? If that happened she'd fuse the claws when they passed through her.

What exactly happens next in your series of scans? Kitty Pryde is alive right now as far as I know.

And i never said she walked through TK shields.

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If you were to re-read the scans you would see that as Kitty phased through Sabretooths adamantium body, her power was temporarily disrupted. Which is the reason why he was subsequently able to slash her very physical body. Sabretooth then comments on this saying that he knows adamantium causes her intangible form pain as standard and that after passing through his entire body she must be in agony and unable to phase since he was able to "tag" her. He then approaches her for the kill and Kitty confirms his comments by remaining helpless on the ground and commenting on how her sacrifice was her choice and that Logan would avenge her. That was the last panel of the title. (Wolverine v2 #126)

For the sake of denial i'll post the second page of #127:

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I'll also cater for stubborness by posting a summary of said issue from Uncanny x-men.net:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2776

I believe that puts an end to this issue. ✅

With all that in mind your snobby comments with regards to my realisation of her defeault state are embarassingly redundant. As for your comment on the fusing of Sabretooths claws, mere unsupported and therefore worthless speculation. Or could it be poor observation? 😕

She passed through his body prior to his assault with the claws, leaving her solid and in front of Sabretooth. Please for the sake of this debate read the scans again. 🙁