Astonishing vs Uncanny, Big X-men battle!!

Originally posted by willRules
Oh I agree that we can't just judge his previous feats, but we have to look at things such as stats the environment, the opponents, allies, numerous other factors etc.

Beast's stats aren't exactly flawed either compared to the Uncanny team members stats. He is more agile, stronger, quicker and probably has better reflexes than many of the uncanny team. It really depends on who he is fighting. If it is Storm for example, she could just fly up away from him and keep on firing till she eventually hits. But if Beast were fighting, for example, Bishop, he pretty much outweighs Bishop physically in every way and Bishop has no distinct advantage over him eg. flight.

Plus I don't really agree with the statement that a strong energy blast will kill him off. I could just as easily say that Beast would dodge the attack due to the fact he has enhanced agility and the fact that (Like Darkcrawler said) the most accurate energy member is on the same team...............

If Beast were to fight Bishop he would get fried with an energy blast. Bishop has his own personal reserves in the first place and during battle its standard procedure for his teammates to blast him during battle. Id consider Bishops ability to use said energy to enhance his speed, strength (basically his overall physical prowess to superhuman levels) quite a major advantage over an intelligent simian.

Beast isnt fast enough to dodge for any decent amount of time energy blasts from the likes of Storm and Psylocke. They travel at the speed of thought (more for Storm) and they are psionically operated.

Beast having faster reactions isnt a suitable counter for that.

Psylocke can simply snap Beasts neck with a thought, or stop his heart. He cant move at the speed of thought, he will obviously be within her sphere of influence, his reactions in those circumstances are irrelevant.

Originally posted by willRules
but he holds a huge environmental advantage with this. The teams are fighting in the danger-room. A physically enhanced Beast is much more likely to dodge a stray laser or buzzsaw than Psylocke or Storm.

Psylocke can protect herself and any vulnerable teamates depending on the duration of the battle. At the same time Beast would hardly be able to dodge a lightning assault or tk attack in such circumstances.

This is heating up. We'll continue this later. Im gone. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Most of the Astonishing team can have their hearts stopped or their necks snapped by Psylocke with a thought, split seconds after the start of the battle. Something she could easily do whilst protecting the vulnerable members of her team.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Storm can alter the properties of her lightning. Colossus' melting point is 9000 degress fahrenheit.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Beast isnt fast enough to dodge for any decent amount of time energy blasts from the likes of Storm and Psylocke.

True ✅

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Psylocke can simply snap Beasts neck with a thought, or stop his heart. He cant move at the speed of thought, he will obviously be within her sphere of influence, his reactions in those circumstances are irrelevant.

Of course. I said Psylocke's telekinesis would work.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She doesn't have that level of fine control.

Doesnt need to. The point was that they are within her range and can be affected by her powers. Be it a snap of the neck or tk dismemberment its all the same.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Colossus is a large earthed low resistance metal conductor, he isn't heating up due to a lightning bolt.

Not from a single bolt as ive already said, please refer back. A barrage however will take its toll. As shown she can generate temps far in excess of his melting point. He would get slagged eventually.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Interesting how people with slower reactions have been able to dodge Storm's lightning in the past.

Its also interesting how Wolverine can withstand Hulks blows or Human Torch can engage an enraged Namor h2h. This is a forum where we can look past ridiculous writing and judge outcomes of battles based on a characters power set and how effectively they have shown to apply their powers overall.

As per forum rules Storm is bloodlusted and she is in a battle to the death. Were those the same circumstances for the instances youre referring to? Given her power set in those instances was she using her abilities to the max, applying them how she should be able to?

Thats why we have the versus forum. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Doesnt need to. The point was that they are within her range and can be affected by her powers. Be it a snap of the neck or tk dismemberment its all the same.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not from a single bolt as ive already said, please refer back. A barrage however will take its toll. As shown she can generate temps far in excess of his melting point. He would get slagged eventually.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its also interesting how Wolverine can withstand Hulks blows or Human Torch can engage an enraged Namor h2h. This is a forum where we can look past ridiculous writing and judge outcomes of battles based on a characters power set and how effectively they have shown to apply their powers overall.

As per forum rules Storm is bloodlusted and she is in a battle to the death. Were those the same circumstances for the instances youre referring to? Given her power set in those instances was she using her abilities to the max, applying them how she should be able to?

Thats why we have the versus forum. 😄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not really.

They are within her range she can take the majority out with a thought.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Based on?

The fact that she can generate temperatures considerably higher than his melting point. Youre talking as if she is gonna attack with single bolt after single bolt. A bit of common sense please. ✅

If she attacks with a continuous barrage of lightning it will eventually take its toll and Piotr will get slagged.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Her lightning has human-generated beginnings, it has a latency dependent upon her reactions, it is targeted to locations rather than random and so can be anticipated, it is completely plausible that someone with equal or better reaction speeds can dodge her lightning.

Her lightnings trajectory can be altered with a thought. Its direction is not set in stone. Thats the crux of the matter. Beast is not Flash, he is not Spiderman, damn he aint even Nightcrawler. He cannot move faster than the speed of thought. Him being able to react faster than Storm is irrelevant.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Her lightnings trajectory can be altered with a thought. Its direction is not set in stone. Thats the crux of the matter. Beast is not Flash, he is not Spiderman, damn he aint even Nightcrawler. He cannot move faster than the speed of thought. Him being able to react faster than Storm is irrelevant.

With the lightning moving with the speed that it does, wouldn't it hit the opposite wall long before she can alter it's trajectory in time?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
With the lightning moving with the speed that it does, wouldn't it hit the opposite wall long before she can alter it's trajectory in time?

Nope not necessarily. Storm can control the speed of her lightning and alter its direction mid blast if she wants to.

I wasn't aware that she can control it's speed...ok then.

canadian
Wolverine's team would win because he's a canadian and they are an angry people

Irregardless. Astonishing trumps Uncanny in everything that counts...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Irregardless. Astonishing trumps Uncanny in everything that counts...

In your opinion. In this thread all that counts is the powerset and skills of the individuals in the featured teams. In this versus match Uncanny more than likely wins the majority. Saying oh i dont care Astonishing is a better comic and i like it better anyway is distinctly juvenile. 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In your opinion. In this thread all that counts is the powerset and skills of the individuals in the featured teams. In this versus match Uncanny more than likely wins the majority. Saying oh i dont care Astonishing is a better comic and i like it better anyway is distinctly juvenile. 🙁

True but I'm sure some people have some good points for why they think Astonishing wins. it isn't just that uncanny wins end of story. 🙂

Originally posted by willRules
True but I'm sure some people have some good points for why they think Astonishing wins. [B]it isn't just that uncanny wins end of story. 🙂 [/B]

Never said it was. It just happens to be the case that noones presented a good argument as to why Astonishing wins. The Uncanny side have just put together a better case. 😉

hay don't forget about Nightcrawler. he could take out a lot of the Astonishing team pretty easily.

Originally posted by TheKahn
hay don't forget about Nightcrawler. he could take out a lot of the Astonishing team pretty easily.

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