1. Anakin doesn't have better Saber skills.
Dooku wasn't putting his best out there for whatever reason.
What If it goes Sidious VS Anakin and then Dooku VS Mace?
Do you have a quote of him saying that? Anyone got a MIDI file or something?
"In this particular case Palpatine's testing Anakin to see if he's strong enough to become his apprentice and he and he doesn't actually tell Dooku what he's up to so Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him but the whole thing was a set up by the Emperor to test Anakin's strength and when Anakin's strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the Emperor's ready to convert him over to the Dark Side to become his new apprentice."
George Lucas, Nick Gillard and the film agree with me.
Nick Gillard isn't a Canon source. He's a trainer. The Film? The Film indicates that Dooku isolated Kenobi and tried to turn Anakin to the Dark side.
Dooku have beaten Mace, beaten the person who beat Anakin TWICE and held his own against Yoda.
So can Anakin kill Mace, Yoda and Kenobi? Wait, we know he can't kill Kenobi.
Mace beats Dooku, Anakin holds Sidious off for long enough for Mace to help him kill Palpatine. Palpatine's saber skills arn't the greatest, remember? Only about even with Dooku's.
Your MACE BEATS DOOKU point is moot. You have nothing backing that up. Anakin holding up Sidious? What the hell? Sidious would put Anakin into the ground! Anakin isn't the greatest with his Saber either. He got smashed by Kenobi who according to your Gillard source is only an eight where as Anakin is a Nine.
"In this particular case Palpatine's testing Anakin to see if he's strong enough to become his apprentice and he and he doesn't actually tell Dooku what he's up to so Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him but the whole thing was a set up by the Emperor to test Anakin's strength and when Anakin's strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the Emperor's ready to convert him over to the Dark Side to become his new apprentice."
He mentioned that Dooku thought it would just be a fight, correct?
I can tell you this: The fight wasn't honest and logically it couldn't be like that. Too much obvious clues indicate there was something more expansive about the fight. Dooku excluded Kenobi, continously tried to get Anakin to use his rage and was suprised at Palpatines outcome. And in the cut script, Dooku says You promised me amnesty!
Dooku most likely wanted a pardon from all of his bad deeds but Palpatine had other plans.
Originally posted by Lörd Sorgo
Like I said, bring in what Lucas said.Nick Gillard isn't a Canon source. He's a trainer. The Film? The Film indicates that Dooku isolated Kenobi and tried to turn Anakin to the Dark side.
Dooku have beaten Mace, beaten the person who beat Anakin TWICE and held his own against Yoda.
So can Anakin kill Mace, Yoda and Kenobi? Wait, we know he can't kill Kenobi.
Your MACE BEATS DOOKU point is moot. You have nothing backing that up. Anakin holding up Sidious? What the hell? Sidious would put Anakin into the ground! Anakin isn't the greatest with his Saber either. He got smashed by Kenobi who according to your Gillard source is only an eight where as Anakin is a Nine.
He mentioned that Dooku thought it would just be a fight, correct?
I can tell you this: The fight wasn't honest and logically it couldn't be like that. Too much obvious clues indicate there was something more expansive about the fight. Dooku excluded Kenobi, continously tried to get Anakin to use his rage and was suprised at Palpatines outcome. And in the cut script, Dooku says You promised me amnesty!
Dooku most likely wanted a pardon from all of his bad deeds but Palpatine had other plans.
Give em hell Sorgo!
Nick Gillard isn't a Canon source.
The Film? The Film indicates that Dooku isolated Kenobi and tried to turn Anakin to the Dark side.
Dooku have beaten Mace, beaten the person who beat Anakin TWICE and held his own against Yoda.
Your MACE BEATS DOOKU point is moot. You have nothing backing that up.
Anakin holding up Sidious? What the hell?
He got smashed by Kenobi who according to your Gillard source is only an eight where as Anakin is a Nine.
And Sorgo, wern't you one of the ones making fun of glentract cause he said the movies are more canon than Lucas?
Last time I checked his word was more official than yours.
You checked wrong.
To bad Lucas directly contridicts this.
Which is why Dooku says "You have power, you have anger, yet you don't use it!" If that's not screaming "Use your freaking rage and turn to the Dark Side!", then I don't know what is.
Has, not have. And he didn't hold his won against Yoda, that's like saying ESB Luke held his own against Vader.
In saber combat, he was giving Yoda trouble.
Dark Rendezvous states that Yoda and Mace could beat Dooku, but probably no other Jedi at that time. Oh, and he was beating Dooku in Obsession, Dooku needed the help of a couple Magnaguards.
Since when have a couple of MG's given any Jedi much trouble?
Sidious is about even with Dooku in saber skills, right?
No. Dooku could beat Sidioius in saber combat.
Doesn't mean he has worse saber skills. Yoda has better saber skills than Sidious and he still lost.And Sorgo, wern't you one of the ones making fun of glentract cause he said the movies are more canon than Lucas?
I guess I agree with this. Kenobi would've lost to Anakin if the fight had continued.
*sigh*
From Lucas on the DVD commentary of ROTS
“...In this particular case the idea is that Palpatine is testing Anakin to see if he’s strong enough to become his apprentice and he doesn’t tell Dooku what he’s up to. Dooku thinks he's just going to fight him, but the whole thing is setup by the emperor to test Anakin’s strength and when Anakin is strong enough, which he proves to be by killing Dooku, then the emperor is ready to convert him over to the darkside to become his new apprentice.”
Lucas has said so himself. 1) It was the test to see if Anakin was the better choice for his apprentice. 2) Dooku DOES NOT know what Palpatine is up to, which is - Trying to convert Anakin to the darkside. 3) Anakin proves he is worthy by being Palpatine’s new apprentice because he ends up being stronger then Dooku and killing him.
And unfortunately anything that was ever said in LOE etc. about Dooku not trying/ knowing what Palpatine is up to is nullified by Lucas.
Sidious was going all out. Dooku wasn't.
Seemed alot more convenient for Sidious than for Dooku.
After the fight, Sidious got +1 new apprentice, +1 new shiny Empire, +1 reason to wear his kickass black robe.
After the fight on The Invisible Hand, Dooku was left with -2 hand and -1 head.
Now do you have any evidence that Dooku was faking and Palpatine was not?
You checked wrong.
Which is why Dooku says "You have power, you have anger, yet you don't use it!" If that's not screaming "Use your freaking rage and turn to the Dark Side!", then I don't know what is.
In saber combat, he was giving Yoda trouble.
No. Dooku could beat Sidioius in saber combat.
I guess I agree with this. Kenobi would've lost to Anakin if the fight had continued.
Read the end of LoE, Gamblor.
Sidious says "If he by some fluke bests you, I will control the situation from there and spare you any further embarassment. We will have gained one new ally. But above all, you must make the contest appear real."
Knowing this, Dooku could go easy on Anakin because he'd live even if he'd lose. He'd just need to make it look real.
Last time I checked his word was more official than yours.
No, Not really. He isn't a Canon Source.
To bad Lucas directly contridicts this.
Lucas contradicts what happened in the movie? Dooku got Kenobi out of the way to isolate Skywalker to try to turn him to the Dark side.
Has, not have. And he didn't hold his won against Yoda, that's like saying ESB Luke held his own against Vader.
Wrong.
Has not have? Mace lost to Dooku in a battle when Dooku was a Jedi. No, Dooku didn't lose any limbs nor did he lose pathetically.
Dark Rendezvous states that Yoda and Mace could beat Dooku, but probably no other Jedi at that time. Oh, and he was beating Dooku in Obsession, Dooku needed the help of a couple Magnaguards.
Sidious is about even with Dooku in saber skills, right?
Doesn't mean he has worse saber skills. Yoda has better saber skills than Sidious and he still lost.
Who was beating Dooku in Obsession? He never fought seriously! He trained Grievous, Mace fought Grievous and then Anakin tweaked and crumbled a wall and Dooku was like "Awesome!"
DATABANK SEZ for Maces profile:
"It was said only two opponents ever bested him -- Yoda, and Dooku."
And Sorgo, wern't you one of the ones making fun of glentract cause he said the movies are more canon than Lucas?
What the . . . ? Who the hell said the Movies were more Canon than Lucas? I didn't even imply that! I merely said there was more to the battle between Dooku and Anakin.