Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) Socially acceptable and illegal doesn't always equal wrong (I do believe paedophilia is wrong, for the record).B) Thinking about paedophilia doesn't hurt anyone. If a guy lives his whole life ogling kids but never harms or harrasses a single one, he is not a danger.
again you avoided my point. now please confront it. ill assume you just misunderstood and that your not being deliberate.
paedophilia is a mental disorder. not only that but its pretty blatant, especially to the paedophile. unless they have absoluetely no grasp on reality, they know what they consider doing is wrong. and like with any other mental disorder which you cannot deny, and which can hurt others, its your responsibility to seek help before an urge becomes an action. how is that so unacceptable and backwards? its not the confession of a crime. simply having a psychological disorder is not a crime. you dont have to be put on the megans law list and be the subject of ridicule in your neighborhood. its just as simple as seeking profesional help for something you know is wrong. why is that so silly and unthinkable?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're being so silly about this whole case.He killed, what makes you think he won't kill more? Oh that's right, it's ok isn't it? Because he's killing paedophiles. No, it's not right. It's wrong and it's illegal because it's inexcusable. It's murder.
wow, considering i made it clear that im against murder, that was pointless wasnt it? i said im pleased that they're dead, whatever the case. not a right or wrong issue, just stating that whatever the scenario, natural or otherwise, im glad they're dead.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He's committing a worse crime to avenge a lesser one, turning out worse than the people he killed.
and he's in jail for it. justice is served, which i support. as i clearly stated multiple times. thx
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Did I not make myself clear? I said ask yourself why killing is bad for society.I never said ridding society of paedophiles is bad, I said committing murder is bad. Two wrongs do not make a right.
-AC
i guess you just love to preach to the choir
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then do you recognise that in doing anything, to the furthest extremes and for whatever reason, you are no exception to law?If you go kill a man because he molested your kid, I personally think that's way too much. I understand the need to avenge or protect your family, but in doing so you have no right to then say "But I did it for good reasons!" and have people appeal for you. You did the crime, you should do the time.
As long as you accept that, your point of view is fine.
-AC
you could possible get leniency for killing them. same as the court tends to not be too harsh with crimes of passion. the reason this guy was slammed was because the murders were cold and calculated...plus it wasnt his kids who were victimised.
Originally posted by PVS
you could possible get leniency for killing them. same as the court tends to not be too harsh with crimes of passion. the reason this guy was slammed was because the murders were cold and calculated...plus it wasnt his kids who were victimised.
Murder is a mandatory life sentence though. Here anyway.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Of course shes hot ! I knew that it would change your opinion.. 😂
Yeah, i hate hot women..never talk to me. I take the Rapists.
No really, my preference would need to include many factors. And after they served their term all three are equal to me again. Well, at least that is what I reasonably think. I might feel different but that's not the point. They are just like any other person.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Murder is a mandatory life sentence though. Here anyway.
here the courts can make excepions. of coarse they wont just say "oh its ok, you can go" but they tend to recognise that some murder is not calculated and coldblooded, and that sometimes people get pushed too far and flip out.
Originally posted by PVS
again you avoided my point. now please confront it. ill assume you just misunderstood and that your not being deliberate.paedophilia is a mental disorder. not only that but its pretty blatant, especially to the paedophile. unless they have absoluetely no grasp on reality, they know what they consider doing is wrong. and like with any other mental disorder which you cannot deny, and which can hurt others, its your responsibility to seek help before an urge becomes an action. how is that so unacceptable and backwards? its not the confession of a crime. simply having a psychological disorder is not a crime. you dont have to be put on the megans law list and be the subject of ridicule in your neighborhood. its just as simple as seeking profesional help for something you know is wrong. why is that so silly and unthinkable?
As you said, it is a mental disorder. Some people genuinely believe they aren't wrong in what they do, they think it's ok. So they see no reason to get help.
Those who knows it's wrong by choose to do it anyway aren't exactly going to occupy a place that's going to get rid of it are they? They like what they do.
Originally posted by PVS
wow, considering i made it clear that im against murder, that was pointless wasnt it? i said im pleased that they're dead, whatever the case. not a right or wrong issue, just stating that whatever the scenario, natural or otherwise, im glad they're dead.
Was it pointless or was it to a completely different poster called Atlantis001?
Originally posted by PVS
and he's in jail for it. justice is served, which i support. as i clearly stated multiple times. thx
Yeah. That'd be a stronger reply if I replied to you, not Atlantis.
Originally posted by PVS
i guess you just love to preach to the choir
No, you just assumed I was talking to you.
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
here the courts can make excepions. of coarse they wont just say "oh its ok, you can go" but they tend to recognise that some murder is not calculated and coldblooded, and that sometimes people get pushed too far and flip out.
Oh yeah, but over there you have degrees of murder as well. So it's a different nomenclature from the off.
Here those exceptions aren't murder.
This is drifting off-topic though I fear.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As you said, it is a mental disorder. Some people genuinely believe they aren't wrong in what they do, they think it's ok. So they see no reason to get help.
no, that would be the added mental disorder of psychosis, right?
how is it that you can argue a supposed exception and make that the general rule...case closed...discussion over?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Those who knows it's wrong by choose to do it anyway aren't exactly going to occupy a place that's going to get rid of it are they? They like what they do.
they could seek counseling, and have someone to talk to when they feel weak, perhaps medication would be useful, perhaps they have some past issues they need to confront. who knows. you seem to think its better that they leave themselves to their own devices. well its possible that there is no help for some, but how can you just write off responsibility to try, and the usefullness of the psychiatric community?
you make a tragically false assumption with this:
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thinking about paedophilia doesn't hurt anyone. If a guy lives his whole life ogling kids but never harms or harrasses a single one, he is not a danger.
yes, he is always a danger. so long as he realises its wrong, and is recieving councelling, there is a good chance that he wont commit a crime. its a mental disorder, not a mere preference. the possibility of rape for fulfillment is always there.
Originally posted by PVS
no, that would be the added mental disorder of psychosis, right?
how is it that you can argue a supposed exception and make that the general rule...case closed...discussion over?
Not necessarily. People can be fully aware of the laws, perfectly sane and still believe it's not wrong. As outlandish as you believe that to be, it's true.
Originally posted by PVS
they could seek counseling, and have someone to talk to when they feel weak, perhaps medication would be useful, perhaps they have some past issues they need to confront. who knows. you seem to think its better that they leave themselves to their own devices. well its possible that there is no help for some, but how can you just write off responsibility to try, and the usefullness of the psychiatric community?
Could, could, could. We can sit here all day and say what they could do, but the fact of the matter is; If you are into paedophilia, you like it and you know that it's illegal etc, the last thing you're going to do is go to rehab isn't it? The kneejerk reaction to someone saying "I think I'm a paedophile, but I haven't acted" wouldn't be to help, it would be to condemn.
I'd advise them to get help, sure. The fact of the matter is simply that they will do whatever they want regardless of what the law says, what their urges are or any other outside influence.
Originally posted by PVS
you make a tragically false assumption with this:yes, he is always a danger. so long as he realises its wrong, and is recieving councelling, there is a good chance that he wont commit a crime. its a mental disorder, not a mere preference. the possibility of rape for fulfillment is always there.
Let's go back to what I actually said:
"Thinking about paedophilia doesn't hurt anyone. If a guy lives his whole life ogling kids but never harms or harrasses a single one, he is not a danger."
Like people who watch child porn isn't it? Yes, they indirectly harm because of the supply and demand thing, but if watching kids and looking at kids is where they get their kicks, not touching or harming them, then they are no immediate danger to anyone.
If a man enjoys watching videos of rape but would never do it himself, how is he a dangerous man?
-AC
Originally posted by Atlantis001
What makes the state more capable of deciding the right and wrong better than any citizen ?
What makes you capable of deciding right and wrong with your obvioulsy biased opinion? I don't know how it works in other states and countries, but here in Texas we elect our lawmakers and state officials. Which means WE BELIEVE that those we vote for are MORE than capable of deciding Legal and Illegal acts.
Right and Wrong, Good and Evil. These concepts vary for each person and no two people have the same views. Personally I believe that since the Two Offenders had served their time (apparently one was even trying to catch up with his daughter' life and do right by her.) that they deserved a chance to prove that they were reformed. Now a daughter will not have a chance to welcome her father back into her life. The Murderer should have gotten a longer sentence.
Yes the parents should be responsible for their children 24/7. A parent is legally responsible for any actions the child takes until they turn 18, so why should their child's well-being be any different. There are many different ways that a rational, mature parent can ensure their child's safety. Blaming the evil in the world for what happens to their child is tantmount to blaming violent video games as the child's sole reason for killing. I've played M-rated games since I was 12 and because I was raised by parents who cared for my mental as well as physical nurturing mad sure I new right from wrong. Bad Parents try to lay the blame elsewhere.
Hypothetically, what I would do if it had been one of my loved ones was molested and I was faced with the decision to Kill or hand it over to the Justice system; I have simple answer. I don't know what I would do. Molestation is a horrible crime as is rape. To me Murder is an even worse crime because knowing that you have taken another human's life is something I would not be able to live with. Murder is wrong no matter who it is done to. As a loved one to the said molestation victim it would be my responsibilty to help them through the trauma. That is doing what is right. Not going off half-cocked and murdering the one who did it.
The whole point of Child porn and Rape fetishes is just wrong. A person who watches those might also be tempted to try it for themselves so the two listed above should be illegal to produce or view.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not necessarily. People can be fully aware of the laws, perfectly sane and still believe it's not wrong. As outlandish as you believe that to be, it's true.
oh please for the love of god AC!!! 😱 please dont say "perfectly sane paedophile" again and make me laugh so hard i shoot my pepsi out my nose onto my laptop and fry my motherboard. 😂
you glazed over my case, and i feel its sound. the least one could do is make an effort to restrain themselves. sure it may not work in all cases, but such is life.
Originally posted by PVS
oh please for the love of god AC!!! 😱 please dont say "perfectly sane paedophile" again and make me laugh so hard i shoot my pepsi out my nose onto my laptop and fry my motherboard. 😂
Again? I never said it in the first place if you look at my quote. Your insisting that all paedophiles must be insane is nice and everything, I just think it's a bit silly.
Originally posted by PVS
you glazed over my case, and i feel its sound. the least one could do is make an effort to restrain themselves. sure it may not work in all cases, but such is life.
...and disbelief in my claims isn't any reason to assume I glazed over your case.
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
you claim the exception to those who can be helped as absolute and thus any treatment is useless. we'd still be in the frikin stone age with that attitude.
I never said any treatment was useless, I even went so far as to say I'd advise it. Don't whine about glazing posts if that's what you're going to do.
I said that therapy is probably the last thing you want if you enjoy paedophilia, isn't it? Why would someone go into therapy for something they: A) Enjoy or B) Know is extremely taboo and would be met with condemnation rather than compassion?
If you have paedophilic urges and haven't acted upon them, what are you more likely to do: Shut up about it or be open about it?
Yes, precisely.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said any treatment was useless, I even went so far as to say I'd advise it. Don't whine about glazing posts if that's what you're going to do.I said that therapy is probably the last thing you want if you enjoy paedophilia, isn't it? Why would someone go into therapy for something they: A) Enjoy or B) Know is extremely taboo and would be met with condemnation rather than compassion?
If you have paedophilic urges and haven't acted upon them, what are you more likely to do: Shut up about it or be open about it?
ok so if i was a paedophile, my options would be:
A- seek professional help and discuss the problem in confidence. thats right AC, simply having a mental disorder is not illegal. acting on those urges in the least by downloading kiddie porn and at the most by commiting rape...well THATS illegal.
or i can:
B-just enjoy it, and end up in jail, and upon being released i could be put on a township registration for all to see and ridicule/harass/possibly murder as was the case here...and on top of all that be forced to seek the treatment which i could have sought out in the first place and possibly avoided the public ridicule and personal catastrophe.
guess what i would pick?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, precisely.
indeed
Originally posted by PVS
ok so if i was a paedophile, my options would be:A- seek professional help and discuss the problem in confidence. thats right AC, simply having a mental disorder is not illegal. acting on those urges in the least by downloading kiddie porn and at the most by commiting rape...well THATS illegal.
or i can:
B-just enjoy it, and end up in jail, and upon being released i could be put on a township registration for all to see and ridicule/harass/possibly murder as was the case here...and on top of all that be forced to seek the treatment which i could have sought out in the first place and possibly avoided the public ridicule and personal catastrophe.
guess what i would pick?
This is precisely what you fail to grasp.
Just because the choice is obvious to you, a sane civilian with not apparant mental issues, doesn't mean it's the same for every single paedophile.
Saying "Guess what I would pick?" doesn't mean that will always be the choice.
-AC