Murderer of two sex offenders sentenced to 44 years

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is precisely what you fail to grasp.

Just because the choice is obvious to you, a sane civilian with not apparant mental issues, doesn't mean it's the same for every single paedophile.

Saying "Guess what I would pick?" doesn't mean that will always be the choice.

-AC

paedophelia is sexual deviency. if combined with any other psychologiocal disorders which warp perception of reality, like say a psychotic, then thats another case entirely.

its ludicrous to claim that a paedophile living within our societies could possibly not understand that what they are thinking of doing will lead to horrible consequences. "but i thought you all wouldnt mind if i raped children...OOOOOH you told me to NOT rape children??? whoopsies"

so anyway, yes. there is probably the occasional psychotic pedophile who is confined to their own reality, where society accepts them and in fact encourages their wants and desires. fine, given. but whats your point?
that there is a minority which is the exception? fine. whoop-dee-doo.

But executing people is not accepted in our society either.

Originally posted by BackFire
Quality > Quantity.

Quality over Quantity.

So what do we do with the ones that dont meet requirements ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
But executing people not accepted in our society either.

nor did i claim.

all i am saying is that a sexual predator/rapist etc. had better be ready to face the concequences. right or wrong means little. what matters is what is and what isnt. and what is, is the impending backlash for such actions. im not debating morals, or who deserved what. im saying that they they brought it on themselves by not seeking help. AC seems to be arguing for the minority of who cannot seek help as a means of squashing that point, but i dont see how its relevant. (not really).

is really simple. you rape a kid, people will hunt you down. solutions:

1-whine and cry that its immoral to be a vigilante just before taking a bullet in the face

2-avoid it all and seek professional help

and if they couldnt get help because of other issues or lack of grasp on reality, then my heart weeps for them (not really). casualties of a cruel world. i'll sleep ok though.

Well, you are aware that not the Paedophiles whine and cry about it, since they are dead. So your one solution is an option the paedophiles have the other...well, whatever that is, doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, you are aware that not the Paedophiles whine and cry about it, since they are dead. So your one solution is an option the paedophiles have the other...well, whatever that is, doesn't make much sense.

the solution is not raping children. get it? avoidance of the whole situation by seeking help. why is this so difficult? and AC, quote my last post if you must retort, not this one. im not dancing around in circles with you again.

Originally posted by PVS
paedophelia is sexual deviency. if combined with any other psychologiocal disorders which warp perception of reality, like say a psychotic, then thats another case entirely.

its ludicrous to claim that a paedophile living within our societies could possibly not understand that what they are thinking of doing will lead to horrible consequences. "but i thought you all wouldnt mind if i raped children...OOOOOH you told me to NOT rape children??? whoopsies"

A ludicrous claim to you. The fact that it is very possible doesn't alter here, though. Your very rabid belief that it is impossible and/or outlandish notwithstanding, it's possible.

You can't keep sitting there going "No, no way." when someone claims something you simply do not believe. It's possible.

Originally posted by PVS
so anyway, yes. there is probably the occasional psychotic pedophile who is confined to their own reality, where society accepts them and in fact encourages their wants and desires. fine, given. but whats your point?
that there is a minority which is the exception? fine. whoop-dee-doo.

Woop-de-doo indeed. Not specifically my point though. My point is what I said above, you just fail to accept that. Every time I say that it's perfectly reasonable for a paedophila to be extremely aware of what they're doing, enjoy it and wanting to keep doing it without being insane. You keep responding with "No, ludicrous. No way".

-AC

I have heard they cannot be rehabilitated.

Originally posted by PVS
the solution is not raping children. get it? avoidance of the whole situation by seeking help. why is this so difficult? and AC, quote my last post if you must retort, not this one. im not dancing around in circles with you again.

Yeah, and the other not killing rapist.

AC, what should we do then? I find it a little hard to grasp that a pedophile could simply live their life, feeding their disorder in private, and not have any urge to act upon it in real life.

But what about some people who enjoy pornography that depects rape? Do they go out and rape people? I don't know. I hope not. But anyway, people who watch those videos still are attracted to the people in the video. They are attracted to adults. Consenting adults. It's my understanding that people who partake in rape fantasy are willing participants, making it staged. People who watch it, I think, understand that it is fake. And they, the audience, use this stimulant to have sex with their willing partners.

But what about pedophilia or pedophilia fantasies? Are there two willing participants? I say there is only one who forces the other to oblige, making it rape in the purest sense. So, is it ok to encourage pedophilias to live out their fantasies, where they rape molest a child, in private but then punish them for acting on it? Doesn't that seem a little sadistic? Is this fair to the pedophile? That is sending the wrong message.

It's not ok to think about molesting children as a means to get off. That behavior if not helped will surface eventually if we say it's ok to think about it.

Originally posted by meep-meep
AC, what should we do then? I find it a little hard to grasp that a pedophile could simply live their life, feeding their disorder in private, and not have any urge to act upon it in real life.

I know you find it hard to grasp, hence the difficulty you have of understanding that it can happen.

EG: Pete Townshend. Apparantly a fan of child porn, also admitted he'd never touch a child in that way, ever.

I find it hard to believe that some of the people on this site hold the beliefs and opinions that they do, but they do regardless.

Originally posted by meep-meep
But what about some people who enjoy pornography that depects rape? Do they go out and rape people? I don't know. I hope not. But anyway, people who watch those videos still are attracted to the people in the video. They are attracted to adults. Consenting adults. It's my understanding that people who partake in rape fantasy are willing participants, making it staged. People who watch it, I think, understand that it is fake. And they, the audience, use this stimulant to have sex with their willing partners.

I was referring to people who find actual, real rape, arousing, but would never do it. This will be interesting...

Originally posted by meep-meep
But what about pedophilia or pedophilia fantasies? Are there two willing participants? I say there is only one who forces the other to oblige, making it rape in the purest sense. So, is it ok to encourage pedophilias to live out their fantasies, where they rape molest a child, in private but then punish them for acting on it? Doesn't that seem a little sadistic? Is this fair to the pedophile? That is sending the wrong message.

Slow down there, Flash Gordon. Moving a bit too fast for your own good, you're missing everything.

I said that it's perfectly possible for a man to get his kicks off child porn and/or looking at children without ever molesting them. Let's not dive into the in's and out's of porn, that's not the issue.

I'm simply saying it's possible and it has happened, nothing more.

Originally posted by meep-meep
It's not ok to think about molesting children as a means to get off. That behavior if not helped will surface eventually if we say it's ok to think about it.

A) Not necessarily, that's just your assumption that it will eventually surface and end up as an act. It's not definite.

B) Who said it's ok to think about? I don't particularly think it's the nicest thing ever, thinking about having sex with children, but if THINKING about it is all they do and express no interest in acting on it, then they may very well not act on it.

How many people in this thread have ever thought about killing someone? I mean truly killing someone. That's no more wrong than paedophilia, infact it's probably worse, but we all do it. Does that mean we will eventually kill? No, it doesn't.

Paedophilia is an alarm crime. People hear the word and automatically turn into rage zombies a la 28 Days Later.

I yell "Barracuda!" you yell "Shark!" etc.

-AC

Originally posted by ImmortalSamurai
What makes you capable of deciding right and wrong with your obvioulsy biased opinion? I don't know how it works in other states and countries, but here in Texas we elect our lawmakers and state officials. Which means WE BELIEVE that those we vote for are MORE than capable of deciding Legal and Illegal acts.

Right and Wrong, Good and Evil. These concepts vary for each person and no two people have the same views. Personally I believe that since the Two Offenders had served their time (apparently one was even trying to catch up with his daughter' life and do right by her.) that they deserved a chance to prove that they were reformed. Now a daughter will not have a chance to welcome her father back into her life. The Murderer should have gotten a longer sentence.

Yes the parents should be responsible for their children 24/7. A parent is legally responsible for any actions the child takes until they turn 18, so why should their child's well-being be any different. There are many different ways that a rational, mature parent can ensure their child's safety. Blaming the evil in the world for what happens to their child is tantmount to blaming violent video games as the child's sole reason for killing. I've played M-rated games since I was 12 and because I was raised by parents who cared for my mental as well as physical nurturing mad sure I new right from wrong. Bad Parents try to lay the blame elsewhere.

Hypothetically, what I would do if it had been one of my loved ones was molested and I was faced with the decision to Kill or hand it over to the Justice system; I have simple answer. I don't know what I would do. Molestation is a horrible crime as is rape. To me Murder is an even worse crime because knowing that you have taken another human's life is something I would not be able to live with. Murder is wrong no matter who it is done to. As a loved one to the said molestation victim it would be my responsibilty to help them through the trauma. That is doing what is right. Not going off half-cocked and murdering the one who did it.

The whole point of Child porn and Rape fetishes is just wrong. A person who watches those might also be tempted to try it for themselves so the two listed above should be illegal to produce or view.

With that, I only meant that the state has no more authority than anyone to decide what is right and wrong, like you said, these concepts vary from each person. The only reason of why the state apply its laws, is because he has more power than you. Its all about power in my opinion, not right and wrong. Of course you can choose to do the "right" thing, if you have power, but that "right" is relative, it can vary from person to person.

I sincerely don´t think that child rapists who never showed remorse for what they did(yes they did not showed remorse so probably the guy was not trying to catch up with his daughter), are really important for society at all, I not saying that murder is justified, I´m not discussing laws, but I don´t think he did a bad thing.

He committed murder, he did a bad thing.

Where's the difficulty? So he did it to some bad people, fine. This only means it's not as big of a loss, not that he didn't do a bad thing.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

EG: Pete Townshend. Apparantly a fan of child porn, also admitted he'd never touch a child in that way, ever.

Would you want this man near your child?

I find it hard to believe that some of the people on this site hold the beliefs and opinions that they do, but they do regardless.[/QUOTE]

Get used to it.

I was referring to people who find actual, real rape, arousing, but would never do it. This will be interesting...[/QUOTE]

People who find actual rape arousing should be treated the same a pedophile.

I know you find it hard to grasp, hence the difficulty you have of understanding that it can happen.[/QUOTE]

Slow down there, Flash Gordon. Moving a bit too fast for your own good, you're missing everything.[/QUOTE]

😐

Please don't talk to me like your child.

I said that it's perfectly possible for a man to get his kicks off child porn and/or looking at children without ever molesting them. Let's not dive into the in's and out's of porn, that's not the issue.[/QUOTE]

I was giving you something to compare it to...it can be used in this issue.

I'm simply saying it's possible and it has happened, nothing more.

A) Not necessarily, that's just your assumption that it will eventually surface and end up as an act. It's not definite.[/QUOTE]

Think about it. If someone told you you could think about having the right to vote but you could never have that privilege, would you be offended? Would you think it to be fair?

Why give them false hope they can entertain this possibility? Do you see my point?

B) Who said it's ok to think about? I don't particularly think it's the nicest thing ever, thinking about having sex with children, but if THINKING about it is all they do and express no interest in acting on it, then they may very well not act on it.[/QUOTE]

You're making light of pedophilia isn't the nicest thing ever, either.

You never said it's ok to think about it? I understand that you never said it verbatim but you imply when you say it's ok for a pedophile to think about having sex with or molesting children so long as they don't act on it. I'm only engaging in this topic further.

How many people in this thread have ever thought about killing someone? I mean truly killing someone. That's no more wrong than paedophilia, infact it's probably worse, but we all do it. Does that mean we will eventually kill? No, it doesn't.[/QUOTE]

I've thought about killing somebody once that I can remember when a thug robbed my parents house when we were all sleeping there. I toyed with the idea but it passed, after I rationalized my emotions. It's sort of natural for people to react this way when they themselves feel in danger. This kind of murder is in no way associated with getting perverse joy through engaging in sex with or using force against some one who is defenseless. That's not to say some murder isn't like this, though. Murder that is unprovoked and homocidal in nature, like this case in particular, should be treated the same as pedophilia or rape.

I admit, my gut reaction toward this topic at the begining was that the murder was somewhat justified, but my perceptions have changed along the way thanks to many of the people providing points. The murder wasn't justified and Mullen should be treated as though he killed 2 innocent people, which he did. Although again I stick to my opinion that I really don't care that 2 pedophiles are dead and one murderer is behind bars.

Do you fantasize about murdering people? I don't. I think Mullen probably fantasized about killing pedophiles though. It was premediated. He had a fantasy and acted on it. Do you understand?

Paedophilia is an alarm crime. People hear the word and automatically turn into rage zombies a la 28 Days Later.[/QUOTE]

I admit it that people do have strong initial emotional reactions when this subject is brought up, just like people feel toward murder.

I yell "Barracuda!" you yell "Shark!" etc. [/QUOTE]

Pedophilia isn't a "barracuda" AC.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, and the other not killing rapist.

who's debating that? YOU? well good luck because i'm not.
if i go into a biker bar and call every guy in the place a bunch of
little girls, i may not deserve to get put in the hospital, but guess what?

thats reality. deserve it or not, the consequences will come. its not that difficult for even a deluded mind to foresee repercussions from raping a child. morally/legally sound or otherwise. NOW do you get it? please tell me yes FFS

Actually it is. And Pete Townshend made good music.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A ludicrous claim to you. The fact that it is very possible doesn't alter here, though. Your very rabid belief that it is impossible and/or outlandish notwithstanding, it's possible.

You can't keep sitting there going "No, no way." when someone claims something you simply do not believe. It's possible.

i never said that AC. i said that in the likely lack of psychosis, likely yet not absolute, a person should have the common sense to know that they will attract the attention of the murdering sort for raping a child. speaking of children, you are being a child for continuing to put words in my mouth to distort a simple point. therefore im ending this convoluded discussion with you.

ding ding, the winner and still champ, ac. :/

Originally posted by PVS
who's debating that? YOU? well good luck because i'm not.
if i go into a biker bar and call every guy in the place a bunch of
little girls, i may not deserve to get put in the hospital, but guess what?

thats reality. deserve it or not, the consequences will come. its not that difficult for even a deluded mind to foresee repercussions from raping a child. morally/legally sound or otherwise. NOW do you get it? please tell me yes FFS

I am not argueing against you. Obviously by doing that they were making themself a target for such behaviour. But who ever argued against that? You are talking about a whole different thing that hardly has anything to do with the issue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not argueing against you. Obviously by doing that they were making themself a target for such behaviour. But who ever argued against that? You are talking about a whole different thing that hardly has anything to do with the issue.

it was a simple point i was making that somebody had to twist into something else and beat to death. i planned on just saying what i said and leaving it at that about 2 pages ago

Originally posted by PVS
it was a simple point i was making that somebody had to twist into something else and beat to death. i planned on just saying what i said and leaving it at that about 2 pages ago

Well, that's alright then...you may leave then, and then and we can talk against the people who make him out to be the next Jesus.