"A convicted sex offender and former Washington prison inmate, Duncan is accused of murdering a North Idaho woman, her son and her boyfriend, then kidnapping and molesting the woman's 9-year-old son, Dylan Groene, and 8-year-old daughter, Shasta.
Duncan is accused of killing Dylan after molesting him."
not just molestation, bardock and AC
Originally posted by PVS
"A convicted sex offender and former Washington prison inmate, Duncan is accused of murdering a North Idaho woman, her son and her boyfriend, then kidnapping and molesting the woman's 9-year-old son, Dylan Groene, and 8-year-old daughter, Shasta.Duncan is accused of killing Dylan after molesting him."
not just molestation, bardock and AC
Won't change a bit.
Although, who is Duncan? ...yeah, not one of the victims.
Originally posted by Fishy
Well the other guy still wasn't a murderer and what does it matter they got their punishment, they did their time. Nobody has the right to do what this guy did. He is a murderer and he deserves to be punished for that.
and he is being punished for it. so justice has been served. why be upset?
if you can overlook the rape of children for the sake of passed judgement and trust in the law, surely this is no different.
Originally posted by PVS
and he is being punished for it. so justice has been served. why be upset?
if you can overlook the rape of children for the sake of passed judgement and trust in the law, surely this is no different.
It isn't. No ones argueing that. People making him out to be a hero is what we are a little upset about.
Originally posted by PVS
and he is being punished for it. so justice has been served. why be upset?
if you can overlook the rape of children for the sake of passed judgement and trust in the law, surely this is no different.
I'm not upset, I honestly couldn't care much less about the murderer or the sex offenders, point is though that some people say he's a hero, he isn't what he did was illegal no matter what the motivation behind the crimes. And the second you start accepting things like that is when society goes out of control, there is a reason for a justice system... There is a reason why people aren't allowed to deal with criminals but instead that is done by cops and judges and courts...
Originally posted by Bardock42
It isn't. No ones argueing that. People making him out to be a hero is what we are a little upset about.
well, like i said, i dont think he's a hero...but im happy 2 rapists are dead. i know murder is worse than rape, but i really dont care. in fact, if they executed the guy instead of sentencing to prison, i wouldnt care. i just like to hear about rapists and molesters dying. it pleases me.
Originally posted by PVS
well, like i said, i dont think he's a hero...but im happy 2 rapists are dead. i know murder is worse than rape, but i really dont care. in fact, if they executed the guy instead of sentencing to prison, i wouldnt care. i just like to hear about rapists and molesters dying. it pleases me.
Well I guess there's nothing wrong about. I don'T care for them being dead though. But the guy has to be punished acording to the law.
Originally posted by PVS
well, like i said, i dont think he's a hero...but im happy 2 rapists are dead. i know murder is worse than rape, but i really dont care. in fact, if they executed the guy instead of sentencing to prison, i wouldnt care. i just like to hear about rapists and molesters dying. it pleases me.
What if they were rehabilitated? If they now had a good life in society with a loving family and friends and what if they actually contributed to society? That wouldn't really be helping anybody.
Still wouldn't really matter, but it would kinda suck more for the family.
Originally posted by Fishy
What if they were rehabilitated?
hypothetically? in a perfect world? good for them, live in peace.
but if rehabilitation were really possible with today's system, they would probably have thought to seek it before committing rape. unless they just thought they would get away with it and didnt care about consequence.
Originally posted by PVS
hypothetically? in a perfect world? good for them, live in peace.
but if rehabilitation were really possible with today's system, they would probably have thought to seek it before committing rape. unless they just thought they would get away with it and didnt care about consequence.
You are aware that you cannot seek help fpr rehabilitation before you commited a deed.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are aware that you cannot seek help fpr rehabilitation before you commited a deed.
wha? they knew they were attracted to children before the rape, right?
peadophelia is a mental disorder. if you heard voices that were not really there, would you not seek help? i would hope so. or would you need to go insane and kill someone before you finally decided that you might have a problem worth looking into
Originally posted by PVS
wha? they knew they were attracted to children before the rape, right?
peadophelia is a mental disorder. if you heard voices that were not really there, would you not seek help? i would hope so. or would you need to go insane and kill someone before you finally decided that you might have a problem worth looking into
Yeah, I was referring to the use of rehabilitation before actually comitting a crime.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I was referring to the use of rehabilitation before actually comitting a crime.
well sorry if i dont convolude my own point to suit your rebuttal, but the fact stands that the guy knew he was a paedophile. its not like the case of an angry guy who eventually lets his anger get the best of him and kills someone,, so you can argue that he never saw it coming. crime of passion, temporary insanity etc.
after all, anger and rage are natural, so how could anyone have known?
however, the desire to have sex with children is not natural, socially forbidden, and illegal. there are some red lights there if someone thinks "gee i'd like to have sex with a child", huh? i dont think its a cryptic message buried deep in some benign law in some lawbook somewhere. so how is it that no responsibility falls on the paedophile to seek assistance until they have committed a crime? they are obviously mentally unsound, and can acknowledge that by societies laws and conduct. its not that difficult to figure out that the general consensus is that screwing children is wrong.
ffs, im starting to get pissed because it seems that you want to take all responsability off the hands of a peadophile until they actually progress to raping. well then i guess by that same
logic the man who killed them is excused as well. how could he have known he would flip out and become a cold blooded murderer? and what if HE is rehabilitated in like 6 months. should he be let free and forgiven then?
Originally posted by PVS
ffs, im starting to get pissed because it seems that you want to take all responsability off the hands of a child molester. well then i guess by that same
logic the man who killed them is excused as well. how could he have known he would flip out and become a cold blooded murderer? and what if HE is rehabilitated in like 6 months. should he be let free and forgiven then?
How am I excusing what he did? He served his time. Yes, he was in Jail for the amount of time the law saw fit.
The Guy killed two citizens of this society so he will also be punished accordingly.
Yes, if the law saw it fit to let him be free after 6 months I would accept that. I might nto like it but I understand why it is that way. I suppose when he comes out of jail in roughly 40 years it is also alright to kill him?
Originally posted by Bardock42
How were they a menace to society? They raped a few children, so what? How is that bad for society ?
They raped children, they can rape more.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ask yourself why killing people is bad for society.
Yes, their deaths will always be remembered....
the day were the two pedophilles Victor Vasquez, and Hank Eisses were horribly killed, one minute of silence for them....
Originally posted by PVS
however, the desire to have sex with children is not natural, socially forbidden, and illegal. there are some red lights there if someone thinks "gee i'd like to have sex with a child", huh? i dont think its a cryptic message buried deep in some benign law in some lawbook somewhere.
A) Socially acceptable and illegal doesn't always equal wrong (I do believe paedophilia is wrong, for the record).
B) Thinking about paedophilia doesn't hurt anyone. If a guy lives his whole life ogling kids but never harms or harrasses a single one, he is not a danger.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
They raped children, they can rape more.
You're being so silly about this whole case.
He killed, what makes you think he won't kill more? Oh that's right, it's ok isn't it? Because he's killing paedophiles. No, it's not right. It's wrong and it's illegal because it's inexcusable. It's murder.
He's committing a worse crime to avenge a lesser one, turning out worse than the people he killed.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Yes, their deaths will always be remembered....the day were the two pedophilles Victor Vasquez, and Hank Eisses were horribly killed, one minute of silence for them....
Did I not make myself clear? I said ask yourself why killing is bad for society.
I never said ridding society of paedophiles is bad, I said committing murder is bad. Two wrongs do not make a right.
-AC