Originally posted by debbiejo
Of course I do have a point silly man..............Sorry if you don't see it. 😛
OMG I finally understood a post of yours.....................its funny how obviously subtle and yet right past my nose....................oh my the twisting spinning and change of angles so many times.
Of course people do, Bardock. It's kids.
If it was someone molesting a grown man, nobody would say anything or as much. Doesn't change the fact that murder is a worse crime.
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
That's opinional. I'd rather be dead without suffering or having any other Earthly worries, than growing up knowing I was raped.
You're getting baffled here.
No it's not opinion at all. Murder is a worse crime. It has much greater consequences and it is a much more serious act.
You would personally prefer murder to paedophilia, that doesn't mean murder isn't worse. It means you'd prefer murder to paedophilia.
Many people prefer alcohol to water. The preference is opinion, but the fact that alcohol is worse in effect is undeniable.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Of course people do, Bardock. It's kids.If it was someone molesting a grown man, nobody would say anything or as much. Doesn't change the fact that murder is a worse crime.
You're getting baffled here.
No it's not opinion at all. Murder is a worse crime. It has much greater consequences and it is a much more serious act.
You would personally prefer murder to paedophilia, that doesn't mean murder isn't worse. It means you'd prefer murder to paedophilia.
Many people prefer alcohol to water. The preference is opinion, but the fact that alcohol is worse in effect is undeniable.
-AC
Is it now?
You can argue that water is as/more dangerous than alcohol on average if you want.
Let's try another one, seeing as I can sense you sniffing out any reason to be anal and I want to get the point across fairly clearly. What's worse for your body; Eating pure pork rinds and fat or eating vegetables and pasta?
Some people may prefer the former, but the latter is better.
Just like paedophilia and murder. You may prefer eternal death to having your nuts fondled, but it doesn't mean you chose the better option.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can argue that water is as/more dangerous than alcohol on average if you want.Let's try another one, seeing as I can sense you sniffing out any reason to be anal and I want to get the point across fairly clearly. What's worse for your body; Eating pure pork rinds and fat or eating vegetables and pasta?
Some people may prefer the former, but the latter is better.
Just like paedophilia and murder. You may prefer eternal death to having your nuts fondled, but it doesn't mean you chose the better option.
-AC
Hmm interesting..............good to know your opinion. Its just interesting to see how you feel as though your opinion is the most correct.
Also I wasn't concerned about the dangers of alcohol or water they serve different purposes and each one has a purpose just depends on whether the purpose fits the use/need of the product (that was a sidenote for you there. 😉 )
Originally posted by soleran30
Hmm interesting..............good to know your opinion. Its just interesting to see how you feel as though your opinion is the most correct.Also I wasn't concerned about the dangers of alcohol or water they serve different purposes and each one has a purpose just depends on whether the purpose fits the use/need of the product (that was a sidenote for you there. 😉 )
Inappropriate fondling isn't as bad as taking away someone's life in a premeditated attack with intent to kill them, is it? Shall we...you stop trying to debate for the other side for the sake of it?
I know people who would prefer fast food for every meal as opposed to vegetarianism, but it's a fact vegetarianism is better for you than the former approach isn't it?
Death Vs Being fondled...anyone who chooses death is stupid. Quite simply.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Inappropriate fondling isn't as bad as taking away someone's life in a premeditated attack with intent to kill them, is it? Shall we...you stop trying to debate for the other side for the sake of it?I know people who would prefer fast food for every meal as opposed to vegetarianism, but it's a fact vegetarianism is better for you than the former approach isn't it?
Death Vs Being fondled...anyone who chooses death is stupid. Quite simply.
-AC
plz stop with the food analogies lol.......................
ok your opinion is anyone who chooses death is stupid.....................I assume you have enough experience in both matters to make an educated choice then?
Someone I know had a father who raped and molested her and her brother as children, I think repeatedly. They grew up, I'll call them Bryan and Meg, and Meg is in college now working on her master's degree and is a funny, smart and all around very cool person. Bryan joined the police force in a suburb around here. He engaged his long time girlfriend about 6 months ago. 2 months ago he commited suicide with his service pistol while he was on duty. From what I've gathered he commited suicide becuase of his child hood. I never knew him so I can't say to much about him but his sister is a pretty stable person, although not anymore. She is is a pretty bad state of depression right now, but she's a trooper and is still going through with completing her Master's degree. From what my friend told me I guess if Meg and the fiance don't feel better in a year they plan on killing themselves with the same gun. I also heard that this sicko who molested them, the father, wants the gun Bryan killed himself with. Why? He want's to keep for memoribilia. Pretty disturbing. Anyway, pedophilia isn't to be taken lightly. Neither should murder. They both cause grief.
Originally posted by soleran30
plz stop with the food analogies lol.......................ok your opinion is anyone who chooses death is stupid.....................I assume you have enough experience in both matters to make an educated choice then?
I'll use what analogies I want, thanks.
It's not a situation where first hand (no pun intended) is needed, is it? Molestation at an age where you're old enough to remember is a terrible thing to go through and I'd wish it upon nobody. Post-molestation though, it is NOT impossible to go on and have a decent quality of life. It's extremely possible. So to choose death is stupid. It has greater consequences also on the people around you.
To say you would prefer to be shot than molested is ridiculous rationale.
Some do go on to get over it, some don't. Not living is better than living after being molested, with a chance of moving on? Ludicrous.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Death is definitely worse than having your nuts fondled by some creep. Rape on the other hand is much more serious than being fondled. Maybe not as serious as murder but serious nonetheless. Despite this it's not something to take lightly.
I'm not taking it lightly, I'm just not reacting as seriously as you would like me too.
-AC
Originally posted by soleran30
Yea I understand that meep, AC's just minimizing one to greater illustrate the other.
Oh. I didn't mean for you to think I was rebuting you. Sorry.
I'm going to try and meet AC half way. Maybe I was being biased. I never stated to him that murder was worse than molestation or rape. If that's his point then I'd agree. Howewver, rape can cause lasting scares just as much as murder to the parties involved. See my story above.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My point, mainly, is this:If you value life so much, then you should not view damaged life as worse or as bad than the total and complete loss of life.
Because then you don't value life, because you are not honouring the fact that in the former, there is still life.
-AC
And it's a good point and the right point my weird friend 🙂
Originally posted by meep-meep
Someone I know had a father who raped and molested her and her brother as children, I think repeatedly. They grew up, I'll call them Bryan and Meg, and Meg is in college now working on her master's degree and is a funny, smart and all around very cool person. Bryan joined the police force in a suburb around here. He engaged his long time girlfriend about 6 months ago. 2 months ago he commited suicide with his service pistol while he was on duty. From what I've gathered he commited suicide becuase of his child hood. I never knew him so I can't say to much about him but his sister is a pretty stable person, although not anymore. She is is a pretty bad state of depression right now, but she's a trooper and is still going through with completing her Master's degree. From what my friend told me I guess if Meg and the fiance don't feel better in a year they plan on killing themselves with the same gun. I also heard that this sicko who molested them, the father, wants the gun Bryan killed himself with. Why? He want's to keep for memoribilia. Pretty disturbing. Anyway, pedophilia isn't to be taken lightly. Neither should murder. They both cause grief.
As a passing comment-
Look at the detail that made the abuse ultimately terrible- death.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Many people see paedophilia as much more evil than killing...although it is strange.
I see it worse than killing, but I don't feel I should be vilified for that. It's simply the way I feel. I cannot think of anything more abhorrent than paedophilia. I find murder abhorrent, too, but not all murder is premeditated, as such. Murderers don't kill just because they want to kill someone, they don't kill someone because they hate them, all killing is bad, but not all killing is abhorrent.
Some people kill people unintentially, an accident. Does a paedophiles hand 'accidently's slip down a girls skirt/pants? Does his penis 'accidently' find it's way in a young boys mouth or up his anus? Does he go home and regret it, but then 'accidently' do it again? Does he 'accidently' threaten the child with harm if he dares to speak up? Of course not. They do it because they want to, because they like it, and they don't want to stop. They have no compassion at all, even when they are caught. They think they did nothing wrong.
Are all murderers like this? Some are, but many are not. Not all murder is premediated. No everyone PLANS to kill someone. It can be a simple accident. Perhaps they intended to harm the person, but not to kill them. Paedophilia, on the other hand, is never an accident, no man accidently molests a child.
Originally posted by Makedde
I see it worse than killing, but I don't feel I should be vilified for that. It's simply the way I feel. I cannot think of anything more abhorrent than paedophilia. I find murder abhorrent, too, but not all murder is premeditated, as such. Murderers don't kill just because they want to kill someone, they don't kill someone because they hate them, all killing is bad, but not all killing is abhorrent.Some people kill people unintentially, an accident. Does a paedophiles hand 'accidently's slip down a girls skirt/pants? Does his penis 'accidently' find it's way in a young boys mouth or up his anus? Does he go home and regret it, but then 'accidently' do it again? Does he 'accidently' threaten the child with harm if he dares to speak up? Of course not. They do it because they want to, because they like it, and they don't want to stop. They have no compassion at all, even when they are caught. They think they did nothing wrong.
Are all murderers like this? Some are, but many are not. Not all murder is premediated. No everyone PLANS to kill someone. It can be a simple accident. Perhaps they intended to harm the person, but not to kill them. Paedophilia, on the other hand, is never an accident, no man accidently molests a child.
The funniest/most depressing part was when she said "Murderers don't kill just because they want to kill someone, they don't kill someone because they hate them. Then when she said "Are all murderers like this? Some are, but many are not."
To quote that guy from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back:
"Here's the pulse...and here's your finger, very far away from the pulse, jammed straight up your ass."
-AC