Originally posted by Eis
Depends on your definition of bad. However it is definitley wrong.
How so? you might think it is, but what if you come home one day to see a guy standing over all your loved one's with a weapon he wants to kill them, you are the only that can stop him..
Would you thinking it was the right thing to do, or would you just step away saying to yourself "killing people is bad" knowing that everybody you loves will die?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Surely we're not still on the "Death is better than paedophilia" part?That's as dead as dead can be.
"Paedophilia is worse. Imagine living a life knowing you were molested? You might end up killing yourself." To paraphrase Makedde and Meep.
The resulting death making the case worse, so therefore death is worse.
-AC
Who said death is better than pedophilia? I'm just asking a question.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Either answer it with one of the available answers or don't answer at all. Not rocket science is it?-AC
Originally posted by Fishy
How so? you might think it is, but what if you come home one day to see a guy standing over all your loved one's with a weapon he wants to kill them, you are the only that can stop him..Would you thinking it was the right thing to do, or would you just step away saying to yourself "killing people is bad" knowing that everybody you loves will die?
Originally posted by BackFire
That's not even in context to the way I used the word "quality". I simply meant that killing 1 good person is worse than killing 2 bad people.
Simply ?
My question was what do you do with the ones that dont meet your requirements correctly pointed by AC as "It seems he was asking that if you choose quality over quantity, what do you do with those who don't meet your quality ?"
So to recapitulate, in what context are the 'Quantity' ?
Bad People or Sick People ? (since the subject at matter is Paedophiles, I am assuming you meant paedophiles)
Secondly, If the two Paedophiles, were taught as kids themselves, that touching eachother up is OK, does that make them sick or bad ?
Thirdly, What if the two Paedophiles were molested themselves as kids and enjoyed it, and so no wrong in passing the baton to the next generation ? Are they Sick or are they Bad ?
Originally posted by meep-meep
Who said death is better than pedophilia? I'm just asking a question.
Makedde did. The reason I mentioned your name was because you posted a similar situation and, whilst you didn't say paedophilia was worse, cited the suicide/death as the part that made the situation worse.
I know that, overall, you believe death is worse.
Originally posted by Fishy
How the hell can you say that?Death is obviously not worse to a lot of people, everybody that commits suicide doesn't think death is worse then living.
Death isn't worse than being molested, murder is worse than paedophilia. People who say that paedophilia is worse (Eg: Makedde) have said "What if she/he lives? Grows up traumatised and commits suicide? Much worse." Despite the fact that the worst part of that is the suicide part.
Suicide = death.
It's not brain surgery. Simple concept to grasp and understand.
-AC
Death isn't worse than being molested, murder is worse than paedophilia. People who say that paedophilia is worse (Eg: Makedde) have said "What if she/he lives? Grows up traumatised and commits suicide? Much worse." Despite the fact that the worst part of that is the suicide part.Suicide = death.
It's not brain surgery. Simple concept to grasp and understand.
-AC
No, see thats where you are wrong the worst part isn't the death it self its what leads to death... The rape the traumatized experience and the live that follows it. Thats the most important part. an immediate death would have prevented all of that.
Originally posted by Fishy
No, see thats where you are wrong the worst part isn't the death it self its what leads to death... The rape the traumatized experience and the live that follows it. Thats the most important part. an immediate death would have prevented all of that.
Oh stop being silly.
"My son was traumatised by molestation. He committed suicide...thankfully."
Yeah, much better isn't it? Stupidness. Death is worse, quite simply.
-AC
It's still worse by the fact that it has greater consequences and an echoing effect on people around you.
If you're alive you can receive the love and support of your family, they will be happy you're alive etc. YOU still have a life and the possibility (whether you see it or not).
If you commit suicide you cause your family many more years of grief which in turn MAY cause additional suicides, or to a lesser extent psychological trauma.
Nobody besides the person killing themselves believes that it's the best way, and they are operating under emotionally erratic influence.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's still worse by the fact that it has greater consequences and an echoing effect on people around you.If you're alive you can receive the love and support of your family, they will be happy you're alive etc. YOU still have a life and the possibility (whether you see it or not).
If you commit suicide you cause your family many more years of grief which in turn MAY cause additional suicides, or to a lesser extent psychological trauma.
Nobody besides the person killing themselves believes that it's the best way, and they are operating under emotionally erratic influence.
-AC
If you commit suicide god won'y let you in heaven ❌
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh stop being silly."My son was traumatised by molestation. He committed suicide...thankfully."
Yeah, much better isn't it? Stupidness. Death is worse, quite simply.
-AC
Subjective! Let's take the guy who killed himself. "I was molested, living with it was awful, luckily I am dead now." ....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh stop being silly."My son was traumatised by molestation. He committed suicide...thankfully."
Yeah, much better isn't it? Stupidness. Death is worse, quite simply.
-AC
For the parents perhaps, but not for the child... He or she wanted to die to end the suffering, ergo death isn't worse for them.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Makedde did. The reason I mentioned your name was because you posted a similar situation and, whilst you didn't say paedophilia was worse, cited the suicide/death as the part that made the situation worse.I know that, overall, you believe death is worse.
Death isn't worse than being molested, murder is worse than paedophilia. People who say that paedophilia is worse (Eg: Makedde) have said "What if she/he lives? Grows up traumatised and commits suicide? Much worse." Despite the fact that the worst part of that is the suicide part.
Suicide = death.
It's not brain surgery. Simple concept to grasp and understand.
-AC
Ok. But you still didn't answer my question. No offense but I don't think me and her addressing exactly the same thing.
Do I believe death is worse than rape? I guess it depends on how well the person is able to cope with the rape. If they cope well than death would definitely have been worse. If they can't well it's arguable that it is just as bad as death considering all the mental anguish they went through.
I don't being "fondled" really wouldn't apply here, because if someone can't get over being fondled I think they may be a little too sensitive.