Marka Ragnos

Originally posted by skyflyer
You claim that the ancient sith are godlike. Yet we only ever see one that displays godlike feats - Sadow. We also see a bunch of great sith lords get slaughtered by Massasi. There are exceptional beings in all races. Look at Sion and Luke. Both humans and as powerful as Sadow. Does that make the humans a godlike race. Challenge me on any of these points and I will completely back them up.

Both as powerful as Sadow? Unfounded speculation.

When has Sion ever exhibited anything on par with Naga Sadow? He can keep his body together. Has he destroyed a star? Has he manipulated with the very solar flares? Does he create an entire army of tangible illusions that has managed to very nearly capture Coruscant AND Cinnagar if he wasn't betrayed?

Sion and Luke on par with Naga Sadow? Is that why Luke nearly had his body separated by the 4000 year old dead spirit of a guy who learned from Naga Sadow's NOTES?

Yet we only ever see one that displays godlike feats - Sadow.

Considering Ludo Kressh was on Naga Sadow's level, and indeed was the actual favorite to take the throne after Ragnos, that point is moot.

Besides, the author narratively tells us, explicitly, that Ragnos is on a higher tier. He is more powerful than Sadow.

You claim that the ancient sith are godlike.

I don't claim the Ancient Sith are godlike, that is claimed through TOTJ, the TOTJ companion, and numerous other excerpts, including KotOR.

Challenge me on any of these points and I will completely back them up.

Have fun.

Originally posted by skyflyer
Wesker you aren't as smart as Illustrious so don't bother posting. If I can't go in your SW Battlefield thread, you can't go in this one.

You're violating three TOS by being here; you have no place to make demands, troll.

"Both as powerful as Sadow? Unfounded speculation.

When has Sion ever exhibited anything on par with Naga Sadow? He can keep his body together. Has he destroyed a star? Has he manipulated with the very solar flares? Does he create an entire army of tangible illusions that has managed to very nearly capture Coruscant AND Cinnagar if he wasn't betrayed?"

There is more to power then raw force power. Considering that Sion is pretty much invincible, I would consider him more powerful then Sadow. And Luke is clearly as powerful - look at his emerald lightning (able to instakill beings immune to the force). My point is that you can't claim that the Ancient sith as a race to be godlike just because there is one ancient sith that was godlike. We also have clear examples of great sith lords being relative weaklings.
Challenge me on this and I will furthur back up what I have said.

"Considering Ludo Kressh was on Naga Sadow's level, and indeed was the actual favorite to take the throne after Ragnos, that point is moot.

Besides, the author narratively tells us, explicitly, that Ragnos is on a higher tier. He is more powerful than Sadow."

Prove that Kressh was on his level. Is it because he was able to stalemate Sadow in a swordfight (BTW there is no proof of Sadow being exceptional in any way)? Great reasoning fool. The facts are that he has never displayed anything on the same level of Sadow in terms of force powers.
Challenge me on this and I will furthur back up what I have said.

"I don't claim the Ancient Sith are godlike, that is claimed through TOTJ, the TOTJ companion, and numerous other excerpts, including KotOR."

Provide quotes or STFU. And quotes really don't mean shit.

There is more to power then raw force power. Considering that Sion is pretty much invincible, I would consider him more powerful then Sadow.

Invincible? He can recover from his injuries. He isn't invincible, just that he holds his body together. If you decapitate him, will he still be invincible?

He's "invincible" because you have a 2 second gameplay fight with him while you are the Exile? Please.

And Luke is clearly as powerful - look at his emerald lightning (able to instakill beings immune to the force).

And that shows NO other effects.

Does it burn the floor? Destroy the wall? Does it even say the Vong is scarred? No, it doesn't. Can he replicate the feat against someone else? It hasn't been established.

What about Kun's amulet blast? It literally becomes bigger than a Sith Wyrm, it rips holes right through the beast, it destroys Massassi and walls with ease.

My point is that you can't claim that the Ancient sith as a race to be godlike just because there is one ancient sith that was godlike.

My point is that I didn't make that claim.

We also have clear examples of great sith lords being relative weaklings.

Ludo Kressh destroyed giant statues with a wave of his hand.

Which ones were weaklings? The ones that were jumped instantly by Naga Sadow's massassi? The same massassi that were empowered by the dark side and went toe-to-toe with the Jedi? Yes, those?

So by this logic, Mace sucks because he was jumped by Anakin.

In fact, he sucks worse, because he knew Anakin was there and could sense his hostility.

Prove that Kressh was on his level. Is it because he was able to stalemate Sadow in a swordfight (BTW there is no proof of Sadow being exceptional in any way)? Great reasoning fool. The facts are that he has never displayed anything on the same level of Sadow in terms of force powers.

No, waving around a giant sword, using the force WHILE waving around a giant sword, and moving fast enough to leave blurs and aftertrails isn't at all indicative of being skilled.

Provide quotes or STFU. And quotes really don't mean shit.

Traya says the ancient Sith make those of Revan's time look like "children with lightsabers."

Mandalore says Nadd is far more terrible than Revan and Malak.

There's two quotes from your precious KotOR.

"Invincible? He can recover from his injuries. He isn't invincible, just that he holds his body together. If you decapitate him, will he still be invincible?

He's "invincible" because you have a 2 second gameplay fight with him while you are the Exile? Please."

The whole concept of Sion is that he is invincible. It was the intention of the game developers, and has generally been established in these forums.

The whole concept of Sion is that he is invincible. It was the intention of the game developers, and has generally been established in these forums.

No, Sion is practically invincible because he can hold his body together with the force. He doesn't NOT suffer injuries, on the contrary, he suffers a whole CRAPLOAD of injuries.

As mentioned, simply because he can be a giant pincushion does not mean he is superior to Sadow in anything. Sadow could still throw him around like a ragdoll.

"And that shows NO other effects.

Does it burn the floor? Destroy the wall? Does it even say the Vong is scarred? No, it doesn't. Can he replicate the feat against someone else? It hasn't been established.

What about Kun's amulet blast? It literally becomes bigger than a Sith Wyrm, it rips holes right through the beast, it destroys Massassi and walls with ease."

He can also manipulate a black whole. Impressive huh. You also seem to miss my point. You cannot state that the ancient sith were godlike just because their most powerful being was, especially considering it is a very mysterious race. You are also moving off topic with Luke and Sion.

He can also manipulate a black whole. Impressive huh. You also seem to miss my point. You cannot state that the ancient sith were godlike just because their most powerful being was, especially considering it is a very mysterious race.

Sadow is not their most powerful being. And it's not my call what words other people use.

Black hole being impressive? It was a mini-black hole that was created by the Vong. Does that mean the Vong > All because they can create it AND control it?

Kyp Durron did the same thing, is that impressive? Is Kyp equal to Luke? Taking a few feats and using feat wars won't get you anywhere. Meanwhile, Sadow built a damn ship that allowed someone like ALEEMA to destroy 10 stars at once. You don't think that requires force knowledge?

Sorry I didn't respond for a while. I was trying to uplode an image but the file was too big. I'm going to quickly reduce the size.

Originally posted by skyflyer
You claim that the ancient sith are godlike. Yet we only ever see one that displays godlike feats - Sadow. We also see a bunch of great sith lords get slaughtered by Massasi. There are exceptional beings in all races. Look at Sion and Luke. Both humans and as powerful as Sadow. Does that make the humans a godlike race. Challenge me on any of these points and I will completely back them up.

You still have not directly answered this and have missed my basic point. You cannot cliam that the ancient sith race were godlike when we only see Sadow display anything godlike. We see Luke and we see Sion display extraodinary feats. They're both human. Does that mean that the human race is godlike? Ludo Kressh was not godlike. Destroying that statue with the force was not godlike. Dessann was able to perform something similar in the game with Kyle Katurn. Smashing his sword into a table was not godlike. Considering that the sword smashed and not the table, the table must have been stronger then the sith sword. Stalemating Sadow in a swordfight was not godlike.

Originally posted by skyflyer
If you turn this into a bashfest, you will have proven my point. Stay out of this Wesker unless you have something to say relating to the topic.

You think we give a shit? Your stupid little A Game and your "Point" is virtually irrelevant to us.

You f*ck with one Antediluvian, you f*ck with us all, Kid.

Don't think I'm going to sit here while you troll, defy Logic and argue your useless and proof less points.

Originally posted by skyflyer
It is up to you to begin as it is you who has something to prove. I will counter what you say. Or are you intimidated. And Woot, Nai and IKC, feel free to join in. Wesker, Sorgo or Faunus, don't even bother as tehre is nothing that you can contribute that these guys can't.

Illustrious, watch out!

The ten year old is going to intimidate you!

Uh 0h!!111

"The same massassi that were empowered by the dark side and went toe-to-toe with the Jedi? Yes, those?"

The same Massasi that were weaker then Kun's Massasi. Sylvarr, a jedi knight slaughtered two of these with her bare hands. Man these Massasi must be tough.

Sorgo haven't you got a funny to post. Please post them because they really are hilarious.

Originally posted by skyflyer
"The same massassi that were empowered by the dark side and went toe-to-toe with the Jedi? Yes, those?"

The same Massasi that were weaker then Kun's Massasi. Sylvarr, a jedi knight slaughtered two of these with her bare hands. Man these Massasi must be tough.

Right. And then she got her ass handed to her by the big one.

Originally posted by skyflyer
Sorgo haven't you got a funny to post. Please post them because they really are hilarious.

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Originally posted by skyflyer
You still have not directly answered this and have missed my basic point. You cannot cliam that the ancient sith race were godlike when we only see Sadow display anything godlike. We see Luke and we see Sion display extraodinary feats. They're both human. Does that mean that the human race is godlike? Ludo Kressh was not godlike. Destroying that statue with the force was not godlike. Dessann was able to perform something similar in the game with Kyle Katurn. Smashing his sword into a table was not godlike. Considering that the sword smashed and not the table, the table must have been stronger then the sith sword. Stalemating Sadow in a swordfight was not godlike.

And apparently you've missed the last twenty posts. The narrator describes the Ancient Sith as being a race of ''god-like" people, possessing "titanic" strength and power. And Marka Ragnos is described as being "the most powerful of the most powerful". What does being the mightiest of a ''god-like'' race qualify one as, Numan?