Sora(Kingdom Hearts) vs Link(Legend of Zelda)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, because the gauntlets are required to beat the game, and we use everyone else's end game equipment, we'd be using Link's end- game equipment, meaning he does have the gloves, if we use OoT Link.

As Ganondorf it's ambiguous, but seems he's still stronger, as Ganon he is clearly much stronger than Link even with the gauntlets, as he disarms Link.

Deathwing had the Demon Soul in the end, but that doesn't mean he has it every versus, just because Batman has had a power ring once doesn't mean he has it in every versus, or like how Dr. Doom has had the board of Silver Surfer.
Just because he's had an object, doesn't mean he always has it. It's not part of his default gear and should therefore be specified equipped when he's brought into a versus.

How did he disarm Link? A cutscene where he overpowers him and rips his gloves of?

But when do we ever debate Ganon? we usually debate Ganondorf, almost every vid used against me in a Ganon/dorf debate is of the humanoid one ( I dont know which but ill assume Ganondorf for now).

In the future I will make sure its clear what feats you are using from what version of Ganon/dorf.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia

How did he disarm Link? A cutscene where he overpowers him and rips his gloves of?

If its the video I think Screampaste is refering to, he just wacks links sword and it flies into the air, its unkown how much strength Link is trying to hold the blade with at the time or how ready Link was

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Deathwing had the Demon Soul in the end, but that doesn't mean he has it every versus, just because Batman has had a power ring once doesn't mean he has it in every versus, or like how Dr. Doom has had the board of Silver Surfer.
Just because he's had an object, doesn't mean he always has it. It's not part of his default gear and should therefore be specified equipped when he's brought into a versus.

How did he disarm Link? A cutscene where he overpowers him and rips his gloves of?

In video game versus threads it's end game gear. If we use OoT Link he gets end=game gewar, like how Sora gets all his abilities in this thread, Link would get all of his equioment. Usually this is th case for video games unless the OP states otherwise. Obviously not everythign from multiple games, usually a single game is picked.

And he disarms Link by smacking Link's sword out of his hands, and Link did infact hold it up as a defense, so he was ready. [BT claimed otherwise]

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In video game versus threads it's end game gear. If we use OoT Link he gets end=game gewar, like how Sora gets all his abilities in this thread, Link would get all of his equioment. Usually this is th case for video games unless the OP states otherwise. Obviously not everythign from multiple games, usually a single game is picked.

And he disarms Link by smacking Link's sword out of his hands, and Link did infact hold it up as a defense, so he was ready. [BT claimed otherwise]

Has this been specified to be OoT Link then?

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Has this been specified to be OoT Link then?

And a disarm in that manner is not proof of strength.

To strike the blade from an individual who had just braced himself's hands, that takes more strength from the individual.

And Ganondorf is stronger than Gauntlet Link in his normal form, despite Link's strength he is sent flying by the mere shockwave of a punch from him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Um, yeah it is.

To strike the blade from an individual who had just braced himself's hands, that takes more strength from the individual.

And Ganondorf is stronger than Gauntlet Link in his normal form, despite Link's strength he is sent flying by the mere shockwave of a punch from him.

I need more specifics of the event before I buy it 😊 Really, 1100 ton is not easy to digest.

I wouldn't buy it at all, its an evaluation based simply on Screampastes mathematics which regardless of how good he may be at it, is not an official developer statement, considering toonforce (cartoon feat, e.g. not to be taken seriously) exists in LOZ and that judging by Nemebro's previous statements in other threads point out that Links swords are not indestructible mean that its impossible for Link to be that strong. It can also just be game play, Nintendo did not make a big deal out of the throwing of the rock feat and other feats of a similar type are not shown.

Also Link being knocked back by a shock wave is nothing to do with strength, certainly not in his arms. I will w8 until I actually see the fight between Link and normal Ganon tbh, it seems to me its likely that only beast Ganon has real non-game play feats against Link with the gauntlets.

Link

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I need more specifics of the event before I buy it 😊 Really, 1100 ton is not easy to digest.

If you want, I can give you all of my equations, variables, numbers, formulas, and a calculator or two to assist you in checking my math, plus bonus material.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I wouldn't buy it at all, its an evaluation based simply on Screampastes mathematics which regardless of how good he may be at it, is not an official developer statement, considering toonforce (cartoon feat, e.g. not to be taken seriously) exists in LOZ and that judging by Nemebro's previous statements in other threads point out that Links swords are not indestructible mean that its impossible for Link to be that strong. It can also just be game play, Nintendo did not make a big deal out of the throwing of the rock feat and other feats of a similar type are not shown.

😐 stop crying toonforce, or gameplay, the throw has a short cutscene, it's definitely NOT toonforce, it's intentionally impressive and legit. The devlopers DID state it's granite, and that takes away the biggest variable in mathing the mass of the stone. 😐 So my math stands.

Besides which point; fdo you have any idea how many hours I've wasted on VG character related math for this forum? If people start disregarding it I'll shit bricks. D:<! [Ever attempted physics without a calculator handy? I have..]

I dont believe its any more of a cutscene than any other quick stone lift, all he does was toss it and thats the end of the scene and its not a real cutscene, as I said before all he does is toss it, and just like in any other game the player does not have control while the animation is taking place, when Raziel is lifting those stone blocks in soul reaver, you cant do anything while hes tossing one on top of the other. How can it be intentially impressive? its not re-created in any other part of the game considering if it was you should have shown it by now. He should have been tossin Ganon all over the place with it, he should have been making huge craters in the ground and dont bring up "wel its only a 30mb game" if they can make a stone block fly like that, they could make Ganon do it.

The stone block flew in an animated cutscene, 30 MB cartridges do NOT support physics engines, and it's a cutscene. The camera pans, the stone is intentionally displayed as massive, and it's not a simple 'moving a stone' animation'. The game stops, the cutscene is inegrated seamlessly with the gameplay, but it IS there. 😐

And he tosses three such stones through out the game.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I agree, lol. I've remathed it a hundred times, wondering if I got something wrong, no matter what I wiggle, it always comes out to being atleast 1000+ tons of stone thrown at atleast 75 meters per second.

If you want, I can give you all of my equations, variables, numbers, formulas, and a calculator or two to assist you in checking my math, plus bonus material.

You ain't having me sold until I've seen a video that support your math.

its just like the simble pauses that are shown in many games, for example in the time slowing LOK video, the game pauses when the little stone appears on the door to the time temple, its not an actual cutscene...you cant compare something like that to an actual movie or storyline clip.

Ganons entire fight could have had scripted/animated sequences regardless of how big the cartidge was, just like the stones animation of being flung, tossed, but no, they had Links sword knocked from his hand at the very beginning of the fight, I doubt Ganon has shown 1000+ ton strength on his own, you would rather assume Ganon has 1000+ ton strength wouldnt you rather than Link doesnt actually have it and that your math was redundant in the face of gameplay or a non legit event. Still an assumption.

They probably didnt have link show any strength after that even, and I am curious just in case, do you have to use the golden gauntlets when you fight Ganon?

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You ain't having me sold until I've seen a video that support your math.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You ain't having me sold until I've seen a video that support your math.

They probably didnt have link show any strength after that even, and I am curious just in case, do you have to use the golden gauntlets when you fight Ganon?

Originally posted by NemeBro
What difference would a video make?

Because right now I have just words. I normally don't doubt words, but the pillar I've seen him lift with the gloves is not very big and seemed far from 1100 ton heavy.

I just wants it verified. A video would help. A picture would work too.

You would be surprised how heavy something relatively small can be.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You would be surprised how heavy something relatively small can be.

I'm well aware 😊 Something as puny as a warhead can weight up to and possibly beyond a ton. A thousand ton is not a small amount, that's all I'm saying.