Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I love the line he has when he says "there's always some idiot making me say something that doesn't sound like me." as an excuse to the cheesy dialogue from his first appearance. That was gold.http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4605/wolverinevshulk1btx2.jpg
lol that was funny
Originally posted by capt it up
I not dis crediting any thign you have yet to explain why thing takes he majority. You jsut through out useless thing that mean nothing.why does thing win?
He not a strong
He not as durable
he not as fast
He not as agile
he not as acrobatic
Thing a slightly better fighter.
so please tell em why he wins?
oh and peter brighter too.
C'mon man I am not gonna spend my time being redundant with you. Pick up a FF book and you tell me why I back up Ben. FF's series have spanned over decades and despit the ongoing evidence of Ben's contributions to the team aside from his solo appearances and team ups with other characters you still persist. Damn the guy restrained IM's armor by himself. Did you see the way he was thinking through that battle? Granted Tony had no control but still, Ben took punches from IM and used his noggin to counter his attack and subdue him while Reed did the rest. C'mon this is ridiculous
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
[Not really. The only big feat he's had since he came back was beating Ord. 😬
and the sentinel, danger room defences, and danger herself... all in what, 10 or so issues?
and ord, as i said, beat an entire planet of warriors to win the right to come to earth... is that not impressive?
Ben Grimm actually has the better fight feats as a whole, fighting guys like Namor, Hulk, Hyperion (Squadron Sinister), Thor, Deathlok, Sasquatch (who even admitted Ben is stronger than he is), Wrecker and Bulldozer (taking a nastier shot than the one Wrecker gave Colossus that broke his ribs), Blaastaar (who he made look like a fool), Sandman (who he beat), Absorbing Man (Beat him too), Wonder-man, and the list goes on.He's beaten, stalemated, or talked down each of those individuals.
Ben also has a huge number of appearances compared to colossus... isnt the fantastic four up to issue 540, or thereabouts? i doubt colossus has anything approaching that...
As for Galactus, this is a guy when catapulted by Reed was able to knock him over. Not many can say they can do the same thing.
Ok, i'm sorry, but that sounds like crap...
I hear a lot of crap about Colossus restraining Iron Man (which makes me laugh, since he was mind-controlled). Ben Grimm overpowered the Sentient Armor by himself using Jiu-Jitsu. He was taking a full onslaught from that thing as well.
I don't know anything about that so i can't comment... 😬
Colossus isn't as strong, not as good of a fighter, and the list goes on.
dude, how can you even say that...
plus...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
If Colossus were 1/4 of a permanently-Four-person team, you'd see a hell of a lot more feats from him, too.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I'm just going to say this right now. I like Piotr as a character. I really do. But I like him as a character because he's a well written character. He's not a feats guy. He's in the X-Men because he's a gentle giant that compliments the rest of the group.Unfortunately, coolness does not equate into power. As it stands in the comics, Ben's got the edge on him.
Is he so far above Piotr that it's ridiculous? Hell no. They're in extreme close proximity. However, Ben has got him in most everything, but that's due to 2 thing:
1. Ben is older. He's got years behind him Pete doesn't.
I agree ben has more experience, but didnt sasquatch, glads and juggy have the same thing? ord too if i'm not mistaken...
2. Ben's got the heart, and the heart is what makes a great fighter, which is what Champion said, I believe.
Oh come on dude... you're better than that... trotting out the heart thing... colossus has heart by the bucketloads...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
But he's not. Colossus is part of an ever-expanding team.Which means they only have enough time for Wolverine's feats and then everyone else's.
true...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Do you not agree with the logic, Badabing?Do you think that if Colossus was 1/4 of a permanently-FOUR-person team that he would not get an exponentially greater amount of feats in comics?
also true... given that reed is so smart, and sue is so powerful, wouldnt they have to make thing look better to keep up? no offence, thing is a badass, im just saying is all... 😮
Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardColossus is WAY cooler than Thing. But that means nothing.
Unfortunately, coolness does not equate into power. As it stands in the comics, Ben's got the edge on him.
Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardYea Ben is older. But when Colossus was a teenager he stalemated Thing in armwrestling. Colossus has since been upgraded. Has Ben?
Is he so far above Piotr that it's ridiculous? Hell no. They're in extreme close proximity. However, Ben has got him in most everything, but that's due to 2 thing:1. Ben is older. He's got years behind him Pete doesn't.
2. Ben's got the heart, and the heart is what makes a great fighter, which is what Champion said, I believe.
Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardHe will win some. But Colossus has the majority.
Every fight that these two fight will be extremely close. They're two people that would be good sports about it, but Ben's gonna take this one.
Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardActually the brick to beat is classic Juggernaut. Colossus has good showings against him. That's better than a good showing against Hulk.
Well, Hulk is really the brick to beat, but that's a different story.
Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardThat's a nice list. Lets look at Colossus'.Ben Grimm actually has the better fight feats as a whole, fighting guys like Namor, Hulk, Hyperion (Squadron Sinister), Thor, Deathlok, Sasquatch (who even admitted Ben is stronger than he is), Wrecker and Bulldozer (taking a nastier shot than the one Wrecker gave Colossus that broke his ribs), Blaastaar (who he made look like a fool), Sandman (who he beat), Absorbing Man (Beat him too), Wonder-man, and the list goes on.
He's beaten, stalemated, or talked down each of those individuals.
Blob, She-Hulk, Wrecking Crew, Warstar(The guy beat She-Hulk), S'ym(Wolverine is afraid of this guy), Cable, Vision, The New X-Men, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Sasquatch, Wolverine, Doc Ock, Arkon(A guy who stalemated Herc.), Pyro, Bishop, Ord(He defeated the X-Men solo), etc.
Some of these he won, stalemated or had good showings. Colossus was Thing level when he was a teenager.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's a nice list. Lets look at Colossus'.Blob, She-Hulk, Wrecking Crew, Warstar(The guy beat She-Hulk), S'ym(Wolverine is afraid of this guy), Cable, Vision, The New X-Men, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Sasquatch, Wolverine, Doc Ock, Arkon(A guy who stalemated Herc.), Pyro, Bishop, Ord(He defeated the X-Men solo), etc.
Some of these he won, stalemated or had good showings. Colossus was Thing level when he was a teenager.
first off he never beat wolverine. second off wolverine not afraid of s'ym
Originally posted by LordFear
C'mon man I am not gonna spend my time being redundant with you. Pick up a FF book and you tell me why I back up Ben. FF's series have spanned over decades and despit the ongoing evidence of Ben's contributions to the team aside from his solo appearances and team ups with other characters you still persist. Damn the guy restrained IM's armor by himself. Did you see the way he was thinking through that battle? Granted Tony had no control but still, Ben took punches from IM and used his noggin to counter his attack and subdue him while Reed did the rest. C'mon this is ridiculous
I own 550 + fantastic four comic's and your still wrong
