Originally posted by GalacticStormI never said Spectre was God.
So if that was the Logos talking then that still means that the Spectre of Vol 4 was Hal bonded to the Logos which still doesnt equate to the Spectre being God. Especially when the Spectre called itself the divine hand and said it felt its actions were being controlled by a higher being.
Have you been paying attention at all?
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Originally posted by Juntai
So you acknolwedge them as being different beings then?
That Logoz is a piece of God.
The Wrath is a perception that enough will can surpress.
And that The Host is a human soul.
That bits cool. I wont argue against that.
Originally posted by Juntai
And that without a host, The Wrath controls The Logoz?
And that in Day of Vengence, the hostless Wrath wielding the Logoz had to be stopped by the whole of God?
Just as it did when Jesus died?
And just as it was doing as it did when in Zauriels body before Hal got rid of it?Correct?
Why would the Wrath control the Logos? The Logos is the one that made the Wrath into what it is. The Wrath is just an incorrect perception of the Logos' justice right?
The Wrath can and has been thwarted. It is not unstoppable.
Originally posted by Juntai
I never said Spectre was God.
It's an aspect of God.
A piece of God.
A manifestation of it's will.Have you been paying attention at all?
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While i said that the Spectre was Hal with a bond to the Logos you said Spectre was the Logos which is wrong. The Logos is an aspect, a personality of God if you'd like, therefore you did say that the Spectre was God.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe Wrath is blind, that is why. It's power is great, because it's understanding is great but has no bother with judging or right or wrong, just death and destruction. The Wrath is not the sum of the Logoz, which is the Spectre's true face. It is just an imprint upon it, just as much as the human soul is. It has a will that continuous tries to control that power. Every minute of every day, the user is spent in mental battle with The Wrath otherwise he is given up to it. The Logoz is the prize they battle over. The Wrath wants to destroy everything. The host is his judge. Without one, he goes nuts. As in Day of Vengeance, or in Zauriels body or in Year One showing or the death of Jesus making it go nuts[which is when it was made a rule that a human host must judge for it.] The Wrath has been outsmarted, but never really defeated, save times God stopped him. Like in Day of Vengeance, or Crisis, or there described in Year One.
That bits cool. I wont argue against that.Why would the Wrath control the Logos? The Logos is the one that made the Wrath into what it is. The Wrath is just an incorrect perception of the Logos' justice right?
The Wrath can and has been thwarted. It is not unstoppable.
Originally posted by GalacticStormNo, it's a piece of God.
While i said that the Spectre was Hal with a bond to the Logos you said Spectre was the Logos which is wrong. The Logos is an aspect, a personality of God if you'd like, therefore you did say that the Spectre was God.
Originally posted by Juntai
The Wrath is blind, that is why. It's power is great, because it's understanding is great. The Wrath is not the sum of the Logoz, which is the Spectre's true face. It is just an imprint upon it, just as much as the human soul is. It has a will that continuous tries to control that power. Every minute of every day, the user is spent in mental battle with The Wrath otherwise he is given up to it. The Logoz is the prize they battle over. The Wrath wants to destroy everything. The host is his judge. Without one, he goes nuts. As in Day of Vengeance, or in Zauriels body or in Year One showing or the death of Jesus making it go nuts[which is when it was made a rule that a human host must judge for it.]
Ive got no argument against this. My only argument was you saying the Spectre is the Logos. The Spectre may represent the Logos, it may be empowered by the Logos but to say what you were saying was something i had to dispute. But no this is cool. 🙂
Originally posted by Juntai
No, it's a piece of God.
The Spectre is the Logoz.
It tells itself that The Logoz is the Spectre's true face.
The Wrath is a perception imprinted upon it, because that's the way humanity sees Spectre's work.
Yes its an aspect of God, but its God nonetheless.
The Logos is the true nature of the Spectre as opposed to the Wrath. Thats different to saying the Logos is the Spectre. It is its true face, what God really wants the Spectre to stand for.
Originally posted by GalacticStormLogoz is what Spectre truly is, it's 'true face' I was just saying what Logoz said in issue 4, and Kevdude backed, refering to the exact pages I mentioned.
Ive got no argument against this. My only argument was you saying the Spectre is the Logos. The Spectre may represent the Logos, it may be empowered by the Logos but to say what you were saying was something i had to dispute. But no this is cool. 🙂
Your misconception is that The Logoz is God, but it's just a piece of the whole puzzle. The Presence, The Source, The Godboy, The combined 3 Earthborn Angels, are all just pieces of the whole, as Zauriel said to Azmodel in Paradise Lost, about him thinking God is an entity with a rank and a powerset. God in comics, is the sum of all. Including all his parts, and creation itself, and what's beyond the 4th Wall. Everything. Logoz is one piece of this, one very very powerful piece that many of the creatures inside of it sees as God, because it is a physical manifestation of that will.
Originally posted by Juntai
Logoz is what Spectre truly is, it's 'true face' I was just saying what Logoz said in issue 4, and Kevdude backed, refering to the exact pages I mentioned.
Yes the Logos is the Spectres true nature, what it really stands for. Thats different to saying the Logos IS the Spectre. The Spectre is a soul bonded to the Logos and acting as an agent of God.
Originally posted by Juntai
Your misconception is that The Logoz is God, but it's just a piece of the whole puzzle. The Presence, The Source, The Godboy, The combined 3 Earthborn Angels, are all just pieces of the whole, as Zauriel said to Azmodel in Paradise, about him thinking God is an entity with a rank and a powerset. God in comics, is the sum of all. Including all his parts, and creation itself, and what's beyond the 4th Wall. Everything.
Me saying the Logos is God is not a misconception because i am right in saying so. I have repeatedly said that the Logos is an aspect, one of Gods personalities, ive never claimed it was the be all and end all of God once if that was what you thought i was saying then thats your misconception. But at the same time the Logos is very much God.
Still agreeing with GS. The Logoz is a piece of God/The Presence. The Spectre is not God, it is a being powered up by The Logoz/Word. The Spectre is The Wrath. Its like having someone put over a mask over you and then control you because thats what they think you are. Hal was able to get past all of this which is the veil and went to The Logoz which was beneath. Look at everything the Wrath has ever done, its what The Spectre does.. = same being.. In Volume 3 Jim went looking for God, if he went looking for The Spectre that would show us he is a part of God, but he did not go looking for The Spectre/Wrath.
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Wow Mider ....i know and respect you are a DC fanboy, but sheesh
I haven't seen an argument you made that hasn't SIMPLY BASHED on Living Tribunal and you BASH on Living Tribunal ALL THE TIME lol in EVERY THREAD even when it has NOTHING to do with him.
Just because he doesnt SHOW OFF his powers like Spectre does, does not make him his inferior, and it certainly does not make him powerless.
If LT is above classic IG, then he is VERY powerful indeed