Bison's pretty much top dog in sf especially with the psycho drive and his satellite which allow him to destroy cities, receive psycho energy anywhere,resurrect himself anytime and use an unlimited supply of psycho energy how can gouki compete has anyone seen bison "psycho canon" technique it's HUGE. Alpha bison would kill gouki.
Re: alpha bison vs gouki
Originally posted by Blue nocturneShin Bison could probably hurt Akuma, but not much to really Shin Akuma though...
My bet is on bison what do you all think.
(since we are talking about the game...)
And yes I know Akuma is Shin Akuma is Akuma... I just meant game-wise.
Shin Akuma
Shin Bison
Akuma
Bison...
IMO of course.
Akuma may have more control of his power, and their for can harness it better. On top he does not depend on out side power source (psycho drive for instance) and did develop the ShunGokuSatsu.
But despite all that, Bison did take on a group of fighters one after another if not in a group all together.
That feat alone gives credit that M. Bison from the Alpha series does hold great power and skill.
I only wonder what would have happened if Bison would have bin able to take over Cammy body (the so called perfect doll)
Any how. ShunGokuSatsu was effective in SF 2 Bison, and ShunGokuSatsu would be effective on SF Alpha 3 Bison as well. Its an instant win, and with all the evil Bison has, he would fall victom again no matter how powerfull he becomes.
Victim to what? A loss from Akuma? It helps M. Bison, because I do recall seeing him have multiple form of himself at one time and it will make Gouki have a hard time to land the Shun-Goku-Satsu. I'm not sure that it is a canon, but I'm leaning on that he can do it willfully due to the power that he gets from the Psycho Drive. It's sad that Bison has to rely on an outside source for more energy. Gouki did that through hard training and continuing to create more devestating moves after an each other. His Shun-Goku-Satsu, Kongouko-Kuretsuzan, and as of his 3rd Strike ending, his Tenshou-Kaireki-Jin are very powerful moves that Gouki taught himself. The only thing that Bison in SFA3Z has that can do massive damage is his Mega Pyscho Crusher. That alone won't compensate for the amount of energy he needs to defeat Akuma.
Originally posted by Gouki
Victim to what? A loss from Akuma? It helps M. Bison, because I do recall seeing him have multiple form of himself at one time and it will make Gouki have a hard time to land the Shun-Goku-Satsu. I'm not sure that it is a canon, but I'm leaning on that he can do it willfully due to the power that he gets from the Psycho Drive. It's sad that Bison has to rely on an outside source for more energy. Gouki did that through hard training and continuing to create more devestating moves after an each other. His Shun-Goku-Satsu, Kongouko-Kuretsuzan, and as of his 3rd Strike ending, his Tenshou-Kaireki-Jin are very powerful moves that Gouki taught himself. The only thing that Bison in SFA3Z has that can do massive damage is his Mega Pyscho Crusher. That alone won't compensate for the amount of energy he needs to defeat Akuma.
What makes you think bisons power doesn't come from hard training.
Originally posted by GoukiI doubt it, as Akuma can sense and work with chi so well, he can most likely do the same thing with all of his warping, this will most likely be seen as a kiddy trick by guys in top tier.
Victim to what? A loss from Akuma? It helps M. Bison, because I do recall seeing him have multiple form of himself at one time and it will make Gouki have a hard time to land the Shun-Goku-Satsu.
Originally posted by Gouki
I'm not sure that it is a canon, but I'm leaning on that he can do it willfully due to the power that he gets from the Psycho Drive. It's sad that Bison has to rely on an outside source for more energy. Gouki did that through hard training and continuing to create more devestating moves after an each other.
I agree, however something still unsettles me about the fact that he lost to his brother, and came back and murdered him, its like, no matter how powerful he is now, he still was second to another in past times.
Originally posted by GoukiAye and the Misogi as well, I consider Bison massively powerful and impressive (like in Street Fighter 2v) but I just consider Akuma the next step beyond. And he is.
His Shun-Goku-Satsu, Kongouko-Kuretsuzan, and as of his 3rd Strike ending, his Tenshou-Kaireki-Jin are very powerful moves that Gouki taught himself. The only thing that Bison in SFA3Z has that can do massive damage is his Mega Pyscho Crusher. That alone won't compensate for the amount of energy he needs to defeat Akuma.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneI dunno, maybe the huge Psycho drive he had, and that same Psycho drive that made him unstable. 😛
What makes you think bisons power doesn't come from hard training.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI agree, however something still unsettles me about the fact that he lost to his brother, and came back and murdered him, its like, no matter how powerful he is now, he still was second to another in past times.
Yeah true 😆 while bison whopped gouken on his first try.
Blue nocturne, I answered your question in your post in response to mine. I said that most of the energy that he has as Shin Bison doesn't come from training, but from his Pyscho Drive, which enables him to become stronger beyond his normal limits. Gouki, himself, in the past continued to challenge his brother due to the fact that he declared himself rightfull hier to the Ansatsuken Art. He was beaten by Gouken in the match that he killed him. Goutetsu, was killed for the sole reason that he wanted to show him that he was the strongest in his style. The beads prove that. M. Bison was actually the first person to kill Gouken, but that was changed for Akuma to be able to fit into the picture as a new character introduced in SSF2:Turbo. You're right though, he was beaten in most of the matches that he got into with his brother. More than likely, it was out of sheer jeolousy of his brother's power that he lost so early on. Him believing that he could defeat Gouken also contributed to him losing. That changed though when he actually did it.
if akuma wants, he can kill M.Bison with one push
i know for sure that Bison has not enough strenght to survive a push from Akuma that could destroy a comet that could destroy a third size of the world..... 😛
a normal push he give to destroy the mount everest and the island is enough as well to kill M.Bison
Bison is strong but i see Akuma a few steps beyond him.
or like this, Akuma teleports, comes bhind M.Bison and uses his Shun Goku Satsu!!!!! Messatsu Gou Hadou is a powerfull beam of 3 by 3 meter
Bison would be ass kicked by Akuma. thats it!!!
Originally posted by Gouki
Blue nocturne, I answered your question in your post in response to mine. I said that most of the energy that he has as Shin Bison doesn't come from training, but from his Pyscho Drive, which enables him to become stronger beyond his normal limits. Gouki, himself, in the past continued to challenge his brother due to the fact that he declared himself rightfull hier to the Ansatsuken Art. He was beaten by Gouken in the match that he killed him. Goutetsu, was killed for the sole reason that he wanted to show him that he was the strongest in his style. The beads prove that. M. Bison was actually the first person to kill Gouken, but that was changed for Akuma to be able to fit into the picture as a new character introduced in SSF2:Turbo. You're right though, he was beaten in most of the matches that he got into with his brother. More than likely, it was out of sheer jeolousy of his brother's power that he lost so early on. Him believing that he could defeat Gouken also contributed to him losing. That changed though when he actually did it.
Well I'm not arguing bison is better then gouki in H2H It's just I don't see how gouki can beat alpha bison with psycho drive considering how many advantages he has but the shungokusatsu can turn the tables.
Originally posted by Gouki
Blue nocturne, you said that Gouki wouldn't lose to M. Bison in Hand to Hand competition, but in others he would. Explain to me your evidence and your reasons for you to conclude that he would lose to him in power.
I posted my evidence already.
If bison has the psycho drive gouki will have a hard time killing him.
In my opinion, Bison is a weakling without his outside sources for energy. That dude is a joke without technology to help boost him. Blue nocturne, tell me why he would have a hard time defeating not necessarily killing M. Bison. You can post it again man, it's no big deal. You also posted earlier that he can be resurrected many times by the psycho drives power's. If that is the case, then why did he flee from the five or four characters that fought him at the end of SFA3? He could have surely risked himself, because he could afford to be defeated since he is supposedly being able to resurrect infinitely. Yes, I do agree that M. Bison in SFA3 is strong, but not enough for Gouki to not be able to handle in every avenue of the fight. Akuma at tops is very quick and very powerful. Enough to take down Bison and his Pyscho Drive.