alpha bison vs gouki

Originally posted by Gouki
Orale, man, you need to chill out. What do you have with, what I said about Tha C-Master's post? That Bison thing, I wasn't really thinking and I wanted to post in a hurry. How could I have something against you personally, when I barely even notice you man.

Noce…Nomas pregunto yo.
These two comments of yours leads me to believe you do.

Originally posted by Gouki
What does that have to do with the discussion? Everybody probably already knows that.

Originally posted by Gouki
Yeah, he was talking hypotheticallly. It's obvious that someone like Tha C-Master knows what he is talking about.

But its what ever.

What makes gouki stronger then bison someone tell me.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then as I said, the only thing you've proven is that they can mimic techniques imperfectly.

How are they imperfect you act like juni scanned all of gouki's moves the ones she scanned were pretty much the same.

Then why bother bringing it up?

Dude think how can someone who can just jump high have better fighting process then someone who can fly in an aerial battle.

[i]Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

How? How are they more impressive? because Bison directed it at a population center?, I have proved already that Akuma does the exact same thing with even more destructive force with just his own hands and not with a space based weapon of mass destruction...

Did you read all the abilities of psycho power I listed I haven't even named all the abilities and that's not impressive???

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Firstly, how did you come to that conclusion, and secondly the feats prove Akuma's ability is leagues ahead of Bison's. And finally, I was not the only one listing feats... Don't become hypocritical.

So cause gouki sinks a island he's stronger then bison...So I guess zangief is stronger then ken since he can survive a f5 tornado huh? this is why feat wars don't work in sf low tier characters do super feats while characters stronger then them (ken) don't usually do and read the tiers.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

As I said, None of them does it exactly the same as Akuma does, Akuma's mastery of Ansatsuken and the Dark Hadou give him more capability, thats why his techniques take the best aspects of both Ryu's and Kens variations and combines them. Sakura Dan and Sean are no where near the level that Ryu and Ken are at, and in saying so are LEAGUES below Akuma...

Ryu in third strike is equal in power to evil ryu and he doesn't use satsu no hadou it isn't cause he uses satsu no hadou he's strong it's because he's skilled so using satsu no hadou doesn't always change the power of the technique and psycho power> satsu no hadou.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, because the Messatsu Techniques are Death Techniques designed to kill, Ryu and Ken never learned the Deadly Arts from Gouken because he refused to teach them those moves, hence denying them access to the Dark Hadou. The reason Ryu ever became Evil Ryu in the first place, was because he has the natural ability to tap the Dark Hadou, without ever being exposed to Aksatsuken's death arts.

So they don't use satsu no hadou It still doesn't stop ryu,ken and others from using ansatsuken super arts based on the 3 out of 4 of the major arts ( shoryu,hadou,tatsumaki).

Tell what makes gouki stronger then bison in alpha please post some proof he's as threatening to bison as you say.

I don't have a problem with you id369. The Bison, thing, as I've already mentioned was a rush post. I apologize for that and you need to stop taking that one post so seriously.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
How are they imperfect you act like juni scanned all of gouki's moves the ones she scanned were pretty much the same.

And you act like it means something that they can copy techniques imperfectly...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Dude think how can someone who can just jump high have better fighting process then someone who can fly in an aerial battle.

And you think about what I just did to his flying ability in game, I destroyed both your ingame advantage, and your theoretical Real Life advantage, Akuma brings Bion back down to earth hard in both cases...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Did you read all the abilities of psycho power I listed I haven't even named all the abilities and that's not impressive???

Yes I did, and I countered all of them in a single post, whats your point?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So cause gouki sinks a island he's stronger then bison...So I guess zangief is stronger then ken since he can survive a f5 tornado huh? this is why feat wars don't work in sf low tier characters do super feats while characters stronger then them (ken) don't usually do and read the tiers.

You made the first move by saying Bison destroyes a city with the assistance of both the Psycho Drive and a Satelite based death weapon... I defeated that particular feat with 4 more impressive ones that Akuma accomplished completely on his own, don't start throwing away feat comparisons just because it shows Akuma to be the better man.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu in third strike is equal in power to evil ryu and he doesn't use satsu no hadou it isn't cause he uses satsu no hadou he's strong it's because he's skilled so using satsu no hadou doesn't always change the power of the technique and psycho power> satsu no hadou.

Then tell me, would he be even stronger if he used Satsui No Hadou in SF3?, Answer is yes, because his base skills are higher.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So they don't use satsu no hadou It still doesn't stop ryu,ken and others from using ansatsuken super arts based on the 3 out of 4 of the major arts ( shoryu,hadou,tatsumaki).

You have again missed my point, The base Ansatsuken arts are always there, Akuma uses them with more deadly efficiency because of the Dark hadou... Why are you running this argument in circles?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Tell what makes gouki stronger then bison in alpha please post some proof he's as threatening to bison as you say.

You made the Original claim, the burden of proof lies with you dude. I have already countered all your claims of Bisons supposed "Superior" abilities. Everything Bison has done with the Psycho Drive enhancements, Akuma's already done on his own with just his own skills. prove to me that Bison even comes close to Akuma.

still discussing about this guys ?

is it me or is Blue Nocture the ONLY one who thinks that M.Bsion wins 😆

I know it was said that Alpha Bison was at his peak, and they even put him in power level in Top Tier with Gill, Oro and Akuma.
But Akuma still wins against Bison.

Don't trip, shin_remy.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And you act like it means something that they can copy techniques imperfectly...

It does it means they can use ansatsuken and find out the strength's and weaknesses of his techniques and it gives them a advantage.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

And you think about what I just did to his flying ability in game, I destroyed both your ingame advantage, and your theoretical Real Life advantage, Akuma brings Bion back down to earth hard in both cases...

You did nothing to his flying ability gouki's aerial techniques are worthless when compared to someone who can stay airborne and can do his all his powerful attacks airborne and on the ground ( Psycho canon) as opposed to someone who can't ( shungokusatsu) the only attacks gouki can do in the air are his projectile and tatsumaki zanku kyaku you argument flawed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Yes I did, and I countered all of them in a single post, whats your point?

Right so tell me how would gouki escape a psycho canon and a shot from bison's death ray at once?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
[BYou made the first move by saying Bison destroyes a city with the assistance of both the Psycho Drive and a Satelite based death weapon... I defeated that particular feat with 4 more impressive ones that Akuma accomplished completely on his own, don't start throwing away feat comparisons just because it shows Akuma to be the better man.
[/B]

I'm throwing them away cause they don't work for street fighters like I've been pointing out ,Are you paying attention? only 3 of your feats are canon gouki destroying a asteroid is debatable since fighting jam had endings where ryu fights john taliban where he's clearly outclassed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then tell me, would he be even stronger if he used Satsui No Hadou in SF3?, Answer is yes, because his base skills are higher.

Answer yes based on what hmmm?
Satsu no hadou only makes you more killing potent ryu doesn't need it anymore if he used it his power would pretty much be the same and ryu's base skills come from gouken's style of ansatsuken which beat gouki once also satsu no hadou doesn't work with ryu since it only makes him wanna kill and not train your argument is that the ansatsuken practioner needs satsu no hadou when it's been proven false cause gouken doesn't use it and he whopped gouki back to training.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

You have again missed my point, The base Ansatsuken arts are always there, Akuma uses them with more deadly efficiency because of the Dark hadou... Why are you running this argument in circles?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

You made the Original claim, the burden of proof lies with you dude. I have already countered all your claims of Bisons supposed "Superior" abilities. Everything Bison has done with the Psycho Drive enhancements, Akuma's already done on his own with just his own skills. prove to me that Bison even comes close to Akuma.

I've listed most of his abilities the only thing that the psycho drive does is allow him access to unlimited amounts of psycho energy, resurrection, and a death ray

You haven't countered anything all you've posted where feats and lame rebuttals "Bison loses cause gouki can crush mountains"

I can say "bison wins cause he can survive mini nukes" which he can but I won't because like I said feats don't work in sf

Originally posted by shin_remy
still discussing about this guys ?

is it me or is Blue Nocture the ONLY one who thinks that M.Bsion wins 😆

Shin remy you think gouki is stronger then anybody you even posted that shin gouki is a strong as ssj 2 😆

Unless someone can prove other wise bison wins the only thing that can help him is the shungokusatsu.

The side effects of the Murderous Hadou include increased physical strength
and being able to perform moves/techniques that surpass the user's
intelligence (What that means, I don't know. I guess It might mean that
SnH allows the user to perform moves that they didn't originally know).

Substantial emotional strength is necessary in order to control the SnH.

this was state in SF enternal challenge

Originally posted by unrealman
The side effects of the Murderous Hadou include increased physical strength
and being able to perform moves/techniques that surpass the user's
intelligence (What that means, I don't know. I guess It might mean that
SnH allows the user to perform moves that they didn't originally know).

Substantial emotional strength is necessary in order to control the SnH.

this was state in SF enternal challenge

It makes sense since ryu could do metsu shoryuken to sagat without ever seeing it or knowing it.

Blue nocturne, if you didn't already know, shin_remy admits to lieing about the SS2 Goku thing. He knows that Gouki can't be Goku at SS2 or even lesser to tell you the truth.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Shin remy you think gouki is stronger then anybody you even posted that shin gouki is a strong as ssj 2 😆

Unless someone can prove other wise bison wins the only thing that can help him is the shungokusatsu.

read Gouki's post!

and about some proof thing.............

go pages back.... people are always before me with posting proof and i'm very lazy about those things 🙄

if you always post info on forums and sites about sf about a few years you gonna be lazy about those things 💃

Originally posted by shin_remy
read Gouki's post!

and about some proof thing.............

go pages back.... people are always before me with posting proof and i'm very lazy about those things 🙄

if you always post info on forums and sites about sf about a few years you gonna be lazy about those things 💃

Oh ok well forget about it then my bad.

With all the new information put out recently, I thought this bout was long overdue for a revisit.

In a straight-up war based on feats and abilities. I still say a draw. However, when includin the story, in-game occurrences, and slight plot implications; when going all out, Akuma should win.

So why beat around the bush, you think Gouki will win.

F**K it! Based on the limited knowledge we have, I now think there isn't much left in the way of Akuma winnin, in an all out fight. There, I said it.

That said, TK may be a real problem for Akuma, but I just can't see it puttin someone like him down.

For me, this has always been close, if we are talking base form Gouki. The reason I say this is because Gouki can hang evenly with Bison's best in a slugging match and energy flinging contest at the very bare of his powers. He may not win in the "Number of powers" game that Bison has got going, but the powers he does have are pretty bloody high, higher than Bison's equivalents in those areas.

Bison's range of movement via flight is certainly an advantage, that is of course assuming that Gouki's levitation os not flight in and of itself. That said, I cannot prove that Gouki can do more than simply hover a few inches off the ground, since it's not been shown beyond the American Toon... and nobody wants that.