alpha bison vs gouki

All that has proven is that it's a similar technique.

Does she use it with Dark hadou?... No.

Does she even know about Dark hadou? Probably not.

If Bison was even able to produce different types of energy with his Psycho Drive, Why hasn't he been able to develop up to 14 different move sets?... Because he cannot.

The argument is pointless, the only thing you can derive from that is he can analyse Akuma's moves, which in the end serves no real purpose, because Akuma simply overwhelms his opponents.

the Following moves are Psycho power moves

1 Juni's pyscho sheild

2 Juni's pyscho charge alpha

3 Juli pyscho charge beta

4 Juni's Psycho Streak

The Dolls are an elite Shadowloo unit under Vega's personal command
(they have two names they can be called. Shadaloo Elite Squad Members or
the Dolls. The latter is used more often, of course. They are also
referred to as Vega Shin'eitai, which means Vega Bodyguard Troops. I've
seen Japanese fanart say "Guards of Vega" in English, myself). They are a
group of 13 females who are all 'in their teens' (14-17 is likely range,
given that Chun-Li says "They're just children!"😉 that were kidnapped from
around the world, brainwashed, and genetically enhanced then filled with
psycho power.

The Dolls
have some psycho power ability, too, though of course not to the extent of
Bison.

Street Fighter Eternal says that Juni's brainwashing was more thorough
than the rest of the Dolls, and thus she received the most important missions
from Bison. This is likely why she got whatever mission that allowed her
to scan Akuma.

Oh, alright, thanks for the info again unrealman.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I ask for proof of this claim, The Mach Slide looks and acts entirely different. Oh and about the Hooligan Combo, Thats from Cammy, She uses the same technique, Plus this proves nothing, neither of the techniques yopu described use any hint of Dark Hadou.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Zanku Hadouken, Kuuchuu Tatsumaki Zankuu Kuyaku, Gou Shoryuken, Messatsu Gou Rassen, Tenma Gou Zankuu, Miosogi, Kongou Kokoretsu Zan. All anti Air killers, Bison's only Aerial Specials are from the Marvel Vs series, Akuma has them across the board, including 4 supers. Bison will get blown out of the sky every time.

Your comparing jumping moves to flight... okay

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

That proves flashiness, not overall power. Akuma has simply displayed more power across the board more regularly. Bison's best technique never shattered a mountain, an island, Ayers rock and certainly no comet.

Because he never tried and psycho power destroyed a city.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
All that has proven is that it's a similar technique.

Does she use it with Dark hadou?... No.

Does she even know about Dark hadou? Probably not.

If Bison was even able to produce different types of energy with his Psycho Drive, Why hasn't he been able to develop up to 14 different move sets?... Because he cannot.

you don't have to use satsu no hadou to use ansatsuken example ken and ryu also psychois similar to satsu no hadou

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

The argument is pointless, the only thing you can derive from that is he can analyse Akuma's moves, which in the end serves no real purpose, because Akuma simply overwhelms his opponents.

It does serve purpose because it allows shadoloo to use ansatsuken.

When was Bison top dog in SF? He's most likely the most recognized bad guy, (to non casual gamers), but I've seen him look bad on several mediums to akuma.... on television, he's weaker in movies, and he destroyed bison in #2 (yes he was weaker), and in alpha you can count that as a win as well. Capcom intended Akuma to surpass Bison, also considering that bison WAS unstable with psycho power, hence him looking for Ryu's "perfect body" in the first place.

I don't believe I would be too far off in saying that SFA "Evil Ryu" is probably above Shin Bison, because in ryu's, sagats, and in other endings, ryu embraced his dark side and overwhelmed bison.

Food for thought.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
When was Bison top dog in SF? He's most likely the most recognized bad guy, (to non casual gamers), but I've seen him look bad on several mediums to akuma.... on television, he's weaker in movies, and he destroyed bison in #2 (yes he was weaker), and in alpha you can count that as a win as well. Capcom intended Akuma to surpass Bison, also considering that bison WAS unstable with psycho power, hence him looking for Ryu's "perfect body" in the first place.

I don't believe I would be too far off in saying that SFA "Evil Ryu" is probably above Shin Bison, because in ryu's, sagats, and in other endings, ryu embraced his dark side and overwhelmed bison.

Food for thought.

What ....come again?

Ryu embraced the Dark Hadou on time for a brief moment, and that was in the vary first SF agianst Sagat, overwhelming Sagat.

Thats how he got the scar.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Hooligan combination is from gouki's hyakki shu that's official.

You've misunderstood what I have said, They are similar techniques, but not exactly the same, and therefore to claim that it's a perfect copy is incorrect.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Your comparing jumping moves to flight... okay.

You set that ball rolling when you started comparing in game techniques. I just named about 6 techniques that bring Bison back down hard in the game.

If you want to talk about movie feats, watch SFA the Movie, Akuma was completely invisible, masked his Ki, and spread his conscious mind over god knows how much distance.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Because he never tried and psycho power destroyed a city.

A non issue, Akuma did more impressive feats with just his fist and not using a focused death ray from space... To say "He's never tried" is an excuse, if he hasn't demonstrated that level of power, you can't say "He can, just because he never has, doesn't mean he can't" without proof, because it's a useless claim.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
you don't have to use satsu no hadou to use ansatsuken example ken and ryu also psychois similar to satsu no hadou

To use the majority of Akuma's techniques (Including the Ashura Senkuu) You do, Name one Ansatsuken User without the Dark Hadou that uses them.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
It does serve purpose because it allows shadoloo to use ansatsuken.

It enables them to use basic techniques, but not the specials or super arts that require energy (Which is almost all of them, the Hayakki Shuu chains are an exemption because it's still fairly basic, where as moves like the Gou Shoryuken and Gou Hadouken require pretty hefty sums of Dark Hadou energy.) About the only thing you can hope for is mimicing techniques which arn't as effective (Example is the Hooligan Combo when compared to the Hyakki Shuu)

Originally posted by id369
What ....come again?

Ryu embraced the Dark Hadou on time for a brief moment, and that was in the vary first SF agianst Sagat, overwhelming Sagat.

Thats how he got the scar.

I just meant in Alpha.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alpha Storyline only, because by using actual storyline, Shin Bison doesn't exist.

I just meant in Alpha.

Actually he does C-master he's called final bison

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You've misunderstood what I have said, They are similar techniques, but not exactly the same, and therefore to claim that it's a perfect copy is incorrect.

When did I say it's a perfect copy and hooligan combination is only one of the hyakkii shu varations.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

You set that ball rolling when you started comparing in game techniques. I just named about 6 techniques that bring Bison back down hard in the game.

gouki can't fly without game restriction either.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

If you want to talk about movie feats, watch SFA the Movie, Akuma was completely invisible, masked his Ki, and spread his conscious mind over god knows how much distance.

I've already listed bisons feats there more impressive and movie feats can be canon like alpha the movie.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

A non issue, Akuma did more impressive feats with just his fist and not using a focused death ray from space... To say "He's never tried" is an excuse, if he hasn't demonstrated that level of power, you can't say "He can, just because he never has, doesn't mean he can't" without proof, because it's a useless claim.

So him being top tier counts for nothing right. and since when do feats ake someone stronger in sf I know a heck o alot of fighters with more impressive feats then higher ranking characters.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

To use the majority of Akuma's techniques (Including the Ashura Senkuu) You do, Name one Ansatsuken User without the Dark Hadou that uses them.

Ken,ryu,gouken, sakura,dan and sean

they use 3 out of 4 of the arts in goutestsu ansatsuken seems like a majority to me.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

It enables them to use basic techniques, but not the specials or super arts that require energy (Which is almost all of them, the Hayakki Shuu chains are an exemption because it's still fairly basic, where as moves like the Gou Shoryuken and Gou Hadouken require pretty hefty sums of Dark Hadou energy.) About the only thing you can hope for is mimicing techniques which arn't as effective (Example is the Hooligan Combo when compared to the Hyakki Shuu)

So shoryureppa and shinkuu hadouken are completely different from messatsu gou shoryu and gou hadou

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Actually he does C-master he's called final bison

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I mean that specific bison though, just minor detail.

Shin/final bison is canon though.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alpha Storyline only, because by using actual storyline, Shin Bison doesn't exist.

I just meant in Alpha.

Last time I checked. Capcom stated all other appearances with Evil Ryu in them ware ‘What IF’s” their for not part of SF canon.

Actually that was Psycho Ryu that attack bison not Dark Hadou Ryu.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
When did I say it's a perfect copy and hooligan combination is only one of the hyakkii shu varations.

Then as I said, the only thing you've proven is that they can mimic techniques imperfectly.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
gouki can't fly without game restriction either.

Then why bother bringing it up?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I've already listed bisons feats there more impressive and movie feats can be canon like alpha the movie.

How? How are they more impressive? because Bison directed it at a population center?, I have proved already that Akuma does the exact same thing with even more destructive force with just his own hands and not with a space based weapon of mass destruction...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So him being top tier counts for nothing right. and since when do feats ake someone stronger in sf I know a heck o alot of fighters with more impressive feats then higher ranking characters.

Firstly, how did you come to that conclusion, and secondly the feats prove Akuma's ability is leagues ahead of Bison's. And finally, I was not the only one listing feats... Don't become hypocritical.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ken,ryu,gouken, sakura,dan and sean.

they use 3 out of 4 of the arts in goutestsu ansatsuken seems like a majority to me.

As I said, None of them does it exactly the same as Akuma does, Akuma's mastery of Ansatsuken and the Dark Hadou give him more capability, thats why his techniques take the best aspects of both Ryu's and Kens variations and combines them. Sakura Dan and Sean are no where near the level that Ryu and Ken are at, and in saying so are LEAGUES below Akuma...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So shoryureppa and shinkuu hadouken are completely different from messatsu gou shoryu and gou hadou

Yes, because the Messatsu Techniques are Death Techniques designed to kill, Ryu and Ken never learned the Deadly Arts from Gouken because he refused to teach them those moves, hence denying them access to the Dark Hadou. The reason Ryu ever became Evil Ryu in the first place, was because he has the natural ability to tap the Dark Hadou, without ever being exposed to Aksatsuken's death arts.

Originally posted by id369
Last time I checked. Capcom stated all other appearances with Evil Ryu in them ware ‘What IF’s” their for not part of SF canon.

Yeah, he was talking hypotheticallly. It's obvious that someone like Tha C-Master knows what he is talking about.

Originally posted by Gouki
Yeah, he was talking hypotheticallly. It's obvious that someone like Tha C-Master knows what he is talking about.

Do you have something personal against me, because when I posted the Bison bio you ware being a smart ass at that moment as well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Ryu embraced his dark side and overwhelmed bison.

Food for thought.

This comment grabbed my attention and I simply stated that Bison was never overwhelmed in by Evil Ryu.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alpha Storyline only, because by using actual storyline, Shin Bison doesn't exist.

I just meant in Alpha.

Cool Actual storyline states Bison is Bison. Shin Bison was just thrown in their for fun.

But when people refer to shin Bison they usually depict that as Alphas version of Bison, due to him being stronger then, SF2 counter part.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I know that, again I was talking about for the sake of Alpha, I thought I said that clearly... if I didn't sorry.

Im simply stating that, Alpha version of events that refer to Ryu embracing the Dark Hadu is a “What If” their for not canon.. Their for Evil Ryu only existed/happened in SF canon is, in the original SF.

Im sorry if I didn’t make myself clear.

Orale, man, you need to chill out. What do you have with, what I said about Tha C-Master's post? That Bison thing, I wasn't really thinking and I wanted to post in a hurry. How could I have something against you personally, when I barely even notice you man.