Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Superman lifted 40 quintillion tonnes, while sundipping, need I say more?
Silver Surfer searched the entire Earth, and I do mean the ENTIRE Earth, within the span of one sentence. His reactions are measured in nanoseconds. He is WAY the hell too fast to be hit by Superman, regardless of how strong he is. He's also stood up to planet shattering concussive force before, so it would take a very long time for Supes to put him down, even if he didn't fight back.
Now, on offense, he has cosmic awareness, meaning that he would be immediately aware of the exact wavelength of the radiation that hurts Superman. (knite) He also conveniently has control over all electromagnetic energy, meaning that he can scan Superman and kill him with a concentrated blast of kryptonite. It isn't even a fight. It takes a millisecond. Even Superman won't be able to react before he's dead, Surfer is at LEAST within the top 3 fastest comicbook heroes anywhere. All Flashes included.
(also, I'd like to see where you get 40,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons from... If you mean Warworld, I'll ask you to prove it... also, he isn't sundipped, so your point becomes ever more moot)
Originally posted by Mider
you do know that superman traveled a few million miles in five seconds when in red son?
you do know silver surfer dwarfs light speed right??? in the infinity gauntlet he traveled the distance = to what light would travel in a year (light year, if you will) in the span of a few seconds....
so lets analyze. silver surfer traveled -5,849,625,600,000- miles in about the same time 😄. i'm being very serious.
Silver Surfer does have a faster travel speed just like Green lantern. He does not have as quick combat reflexes as Superman. When the Silver surfer can disarm a whole country in moments or catch hundreds of bullets coming towards him we'll talk.
And about not feeling Supes punches. This a guy who when he doesn't hold back shatters reality with his fists, who can go one on one with his Earth 2 counterpart, someone who casually picks up moons and beats people with them during battles.
As for energy absorbition. We have no way of knowing how long it will take for SS to absorb Supermans energy. Superman is capable of easily storing enough solar energy to atomise half a galaxy without too much effort. We know a valid way of killing Galactus is by overloading him with too much energy, too quickly. I imagine the same can be said for the surfer. Superman could always punch him a few thousand time while he's struggling to absorb his energy.
As for Krytonite beams Superman could dodge or vibrate through them.
Originally posted by KillAllSupes dwarfs lightspeed as well.
you do know silver surfer dwarfs light speed right??? in the infinity gauntlet he traveled the distance = to what light would travel in a year (light year, if you will) in the span of a few seconds....so lets analyze. silver surfer traveled -5,849,625,600,000- miles in about the same time 😄. i'm being very serious.
Why will the Silver Surfer win?
1) cosmic awareness - This enables Surfer to know what weakness Supeman may have and how his powers work
Putting Gladiator in his place
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer5-18a.jpg
Analizes the Hulk's energy
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
Can detect the presence or absence of individual's energy patterns
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_123_12.jpg
Can see the entire electro-magnetic spectrum
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-03.jpg
2) Matter manipulation - he can turn Superman's blood into kryptonite, his body into gold, or his costume into adamantium for a non-lethal
option
transmutes rocks into air
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_09.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_10.jpg
recreates Zenn-La
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1987_002_08.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1987_002_09.jpg
transforming armor
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1995_110_20.jpg
3) he can phase through matter -
through walls
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_123_10.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_43.jpg
4) could imprision Superman in his board -
imprisioning Genis
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
5) can tie other beings life energy to certain locations where if they leave they die
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP175-p15.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
Why will the Silver Surfer win?1) cosmic awareness - This enables Surfer to know what weakness Supeman may have and how his powers work
Putting Gladiator in his place
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer5-18a.jpg
Analizes the Hulk's energy
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
Can detect the presence or absence of individual's energy patterns
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_123_12.jpg
Can see the entire electro-magnetic spectrum
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-03.jpg2) Matter manipulation - he can turn Superman's blood into kryptonite, his body into gold, or his costume into adamantium for a non-lethal
option
transmutes rocks into air
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_09.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_096_10.jpg
recreates Zenn-La
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1987_002_08.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1987_002_09.jpg
transforming armor
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1995_110_20.jpg3) he can phase through matter -
through walls
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_123_10.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_43.jpg4) could imprision Superman in his board -
imprisioning Genis
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg5) can tie other beings life energy to certain locations where if they leave they die
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP175-p15.jpg
Interestingly enough many of these would not work on Supes the only one which would really is the Kryptonite solution, he probably could drain Supes also however neither is instant. Matter manipulation through Supes shield probably would not work, when it does on Supes e.g. Mxy it's pseudo magical, something Surfer is not. Cosmic awareness probably won't work in DCU as it's a different Cosmos, one Surfer is not linked to, although it might. It has in non canon crossovers. In Supes favour he hits harder and faster than The Thing. 😉 "It's clobbering time baldy". Classic Ben Grimm
I don't see how the current Superman wins this. SS was the greatest of Galactus' heralds. He can do everything from generate blasts of incredible power to change the color of a flower. He wouldn't neccessarily even have to hit Superman with a blast (although that is probably how it would be written). He could just cause some sort of explosion like Torch's nova blast that Superman would not be able to dodge. He could engage SM in a cage of kryptonite. Or he could just absorb Supes' power into himself. The pre-Crisis Superman would give a decent fight but would probably still lose.
Originally posted by james1865
I don't see how the current Superman wins this. SS was the greatest of Galactus' heralds. He can do everything from generate blasts of incredible power to change the color of a flower. He wouldn't neccessarily even have to hit Superman with a blast (although that is probably how it would be written). He could just cause some sort of explosion like Torch's nova blast that Superman would not be able to dodge. He could engage SM in a cage of kryptonite. Or he could just absorb Supes' power into himself. The pre-Crisis Superman would give a decent fight but would probably still lose.
Please tell me more about this blast of Surfers and how powerful it is. 🙂
And what Torchs Nova flame would do to Supes I am interested.
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Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Interestingly enough many of these would not work on Supes the only one which would really is the Kryptonite solution, he probably could drain Supes also however neither is instant. Matter manipulation through Supes shield probably would not work, when it does on Supes e.g. Mxy it's pseudo magical, something Surfer is not. Cosmic awareness probably won't work in DCU as it's a different Cosmos, one Surfer is not linked to, although it might. It has in non canon crossovers. In Supes favour he hits harder and faster than The Thing. 😉 "It's clobbering time baldy". Classic Ben Grimm
How would Superman's bio-electric aura protect his body from Surfer's matter transmutation abilities? 😕 If all it is is a type of e-m based force field then I don't see how it could block the Surfer from transmuting the molecules of Superman's body or why the Surfer could not manipulate the force field as well. Also the board imprisonment, matter phasing, and altering of life energy should work on Superman as well.
Yea, maybe the Mods will merge all of these threads. Its almost as bad as the Dr. Strange vs Thanos mess. 😉
Originally posted by TheKahn
How would Superman's bio-electric aura protect his body from Surfer's matter transmutation abilities? 😕 If all it is is a type of e-m based force field then I don't see how it could block the Surfer from transmuting the molecules of Superman's body or why the Surfer could not manipulate the force field as well. Also the board imprisonment, matter phasing, and altering of life energy should work on Superman as well.Yea, maybe the Mods will merge all of these threads. Its almost as bad as the Dr. Strange vs Thanos mess. 😉
Simply because it is controlled though will psionically and Surfers will is not greater than Kals. Magic is able to interfere with it, its why the Omega force didn't work many theorise. Many also theorise that heat vision may also be heavily psychic in nature e.g. why it was able to block the Omega beams. Nope surfer doesn't manipulate matter better than they do. I know it's not canon...... 😖hifty: but Surfer lost his coating to the Omega beams.
Yup the threads need merging big time till another new member makes another. 🙁
