Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've seen some interesting arguments for transmutation. I doubt direct transmutation would work on current Supes. Magical transmutation has been tried (being that magic should affect Supes a lot more than pc will) and that failed.
There's no logical reason why, but Supes has indeed resisted internal tampering quite a few times.
A physical confrontation would have SS getting beaten pretty bad.
Good thing Surfer never brawls with someone unless he's being retarded, eh? And the "curbstomp" that would come from a slugfest might not be so clearly in Supes's corner, given SS's reaction feats, durability, and strength amping abilities. I wouldn't give him a majority, but it wouldn't be over as quick as many seem to think.
Red Sunlight can help, but Supes has been thrown into a red sun before and has kept going.
Why in hell would he use red sunlight when kryptonite works so much better?
Kryptonite is not the weakness it used to be, although Ss can use it to soften him up quite a bit .
Not as much of a weakness, but still quite a weakness. It's the difference between being shot in the chest with a cannon and being shot in the chest with a rifle. And since Surfer can make the blast as potent as he wants, make that 5 rifles.
Supes can negate SS cosmic awareness with Torquasm Vo (which from what I've seen, is MUCH cheaper than PC.)
How would that work? Especially when Surfer is, at the VERY least, an extremely competent telepath himself...
Speedwise, SS is far faster from point A to point B, but then again, Lobo flies at similar speeds on his hog in space. Same thing with the Eradicator who literally crossed the universe in a few panels. Cyborg does the same all the time. There aren't really any showing of SS fighting at those kind of speeds.
Except for the few reaction feats to rival or surpass Flash's best stuff. I have yet to see Flash do something that is clearly out of Surfer's league. (I'd call them even, as I haven't really seen anything for the vice versa either) Again, Surfer simply doesn't fight h2h unless he's being a moron, so you can't expect someone to produce scans of him pulling some DBZ crap and fighting some godly lightspeed martial artist when that would be horribly out of character. Has SUPES ever fought someone hand to hand going that fast?
SS best bet is using his energy manipulation to keep Supes off balance.
Could just be personal preference, but I'd typically stick to the microsecond scan and kryptonite blast combination. Too fast for a counter, going by all of Superman's (relatively) mediocre reaction feats.
It's by no means a clear cut victory for anyone.
If by that you mean "Surfer takes 10/10 very easily when not holding back," then yes, I completely agree.
