Maybe putting Kyp above Kun could be perceived as retarded (its just my opinion - controlling black holes, having a potential close to Luke's etc.) but no way the rest. I thought it had already been established that Traya > Revan and Bane, and Sion > Revan. And Yoda would probably get spot number 12 imo, Ulic being ahead of him.
mine would be
1.lotf lukeskywalker / FP anakin skywalker
2. exarkun and DE palpatine (tied)
3.Darth nihilus(master of drain)/ kyp durron(2nd to luke)
4.darth bane (pulling a moon out of orbit, amazing telekenesis)
5.ROTS sidious
6. Darth vader (alot of people underestimate and underrate him especially when ROTS came out)
1. Zenoma Sekot.
2. LOTF Luke Skywalker.
3. LOTF Kyp Durron.
4. LOTF Jacen Solo.
5. DE Darth Sidious.
6. TSW Exar Kun.
7. KotOR: TSL Darth Nihilus.
8. KotOR: TSL Darth Traya.
9. JVS Darth Bane.
10. KotOR: TSL Darth Sion.
I kinda like this list. However, mine would be:
1.) LOTF Luke Skywalker
2.) LOTF Kyp Durron
3.) LOTF Jacen Solo
4.) DE Sidious
5.) Marka Rangos
6.) Exar Kun
7.) Traya
8.) Bane
9.) Nihilus/Revan
10.) Vader
Including all force users:
1. Luke Skywalker.
2. Jacen Solo.
3. Darth Krayt.
4. Kol Skywalker.
5. Raynar Thul (Killek powered).
6. Darth Sidious.
7. Zenoma Sekot.
8. Kyp Durron.
9. Darth Revan.
10. Darth Bane.
11. Marka Ragnos.
12. Darth Nihilus.
13. Exar Kun.
14. Naga Sadow.
15. Simus.
16. Ludo Kressh.
17. Darth Traya.
18. Darth Malak.
19. Darth Sion.
20. Darth Bandon.
Potential to be on the list: Cade Skywalker, Jaina Solo, Nomi or Vima Sunrider, Zayne Carrick, Darth Zannah, Bastilla, Ben Skywalker, Allana Solo, Leia Organa-Solo, Darth Talon, Shado Vao.
Unknowns who could possibly make the list: Adas, Xendor, Ajunta Pall, The Dark Underlord, Tulak Hord, Roan Fell (and potentially Sia), Lord Hoth, Lord Farfalla, Darovit (potentially), Kiel Charney, Freedon Nadd, Quordis, Kaan, Kopekz, Ka'sim, Githany, Seviss Vaa, Darth Nihl, Darth Stryfe, Darth Wylock, Wolf Sazen.
Those who just missed it: Yoda, Ulic-Quel Droma, The Exile, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker, Odan-Urr, Vodo-Siosk Bass, Thon, Dooku, Kyle Katarn.
Jedi:
1. Luke Skywalker.
2. Kol Skywalker.
3. Kyp Durron.
4. The Jedi Exile.
5. Kyle Katarn.
6. Yoda.
7. Ulic Quel-Droma.
8. Mace Windu.
9. Vodo Siosk-Bass.
10. Odun-Urr.
Sith:
1. Jacen Solo.
2. Darth Krayt.
3. Darth Sidious.
4. Darth Revan.
5. Darth Bane.
6. Marka Ragnos.
7. Darth Nihilus.
8. Exar Kun.
9. Naga Sadow.
10. Simus.
Don't think I missed anyone.
Yoda in front of Sidious - YES.
In the fight - ep 3 - Yoda is two horsehairs better than Sidious. You saw that in the direct fight - use of lightning - if that fight was finished, Yoda would have won. Yoda also said that Obi Wan had no chance against Sidious and he had to go him self.
Darth Vader is the best at his prime - no doubt about that - Sidious say it himself that Anakin would be the greatest. (he also had the highest mediclorian count - that is of course not enough, but this is a great help) - Darth Vader was the most powerful of the them all in ep 5. (as Anakin - he is number 5-6, but of course Anakin is better than Dooku - every one could see that in ep 3)
Here is a list that makes some sense. Not perfect perhaps but is based on some logic and facts.
1- Luke Skywalker (DN)
2- Darth Sidious (DE)
3- Exar Kun
4- Yoda
5- Darth Revan
6- Darth Bane
7- Darth Traya/ Kyp Durron
8- Darth Malak
9- Count Dooku
10- Darth Nihilus
Reasons:
- Luke Skywalker actually have surpassed all in the mastery of the force. Those who still don't agree with this fact actually don't know much about Star Wars.
- Darth Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord ever known and demonstrated some amazing force powers including the deadly "Force Storm".
- Exar Kun was so powerful that he could even defeat Luke, but Luke was lucky to only face his old spirit. But even his 4000+ years old spirit was a major threat to Luke and it took the combined effort of many Jedi Students to end the legacy of Kun's spirit. So, we can imagine that how powerful actual Kun would be.
- Yoda deserves to be at at-least fourth place as he is the most powerful Jedi known after Luke. I can't understand any reason to under-estimate him.
- Darth Revan: Master Kreia once said that "Revan was Power. Staring in to his eyes was like looking in to the heart of the force". Revan has performed many impressive deeds to warrant him a place at 5th spot at-least. And POD Novel has clearly indicated that it was due to Revan's knowledge that Bane became immensly powerful. Revan also knew devastating "Force Lightning Storm" that could kill many opponents in a single blow.
- Darth Bane: Read POD Novel for more information.
- Darth Traya: She has demonstrated us some impressive abilities that are seldom seen in others. But those abilities are not enough to make her reach TOP 5 spots. Kyp Durron also is in this spot.
- Darth Malak: Malak was the 2nd best after Revan in KOTOR and also became a Dark Lord of the Sith. He demonstrated powerful "Force Lightening" like that of Sidious, and "Saber Throw" like that of Darth Vader. He knew "Force Drain" and many other force powers as well. So in-short words, he was a very fine force adept.
- Count Dooku has also demonstrated great mastery in force. He could rip heavy objects from their foundations and throw them on helpless victims to crush them. He was also good at "Force Lightning" and his "Force Grip" was strong as well.
- Darth Nihilus has reached TOP 10 spot here because of his immensly powerful Force Drain technique. But he was not that powerful in actual fight.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is a list that makes some sense. Not perfect perhaps but is based on some logic and facts.1- Luke Skywalker (DN)
2- Darth Sidious (DE)
3- Exar Kun
4- Yoda
5- Darth Revan
6- Darth Bane
7- Darth Traya/ Kyp Durron
8- Darth Malak
9- Count Dooku
10- Darth Nihilus[B]Reasons:
- Luke Skywalker actually have surpassed all in the mastery of the force. Those who still don't agree with this fact actually don't know much about Star Wars.
- Darth Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord ever known and demonstrated some amazing force powers including the deadly "Force Storm".
- Exar Kun was so powerful that he could even defeat Luke, but Luke was lucky to only face his old spirit. But even his 4000+ years old spirit was a major threat to Luke and it took the combined effort of many Jedi Students to end the legacy of Kun's spirit. So, we can imagine that how powerful actual Kun would be.
- Yoda deserves to be at at-least fourth place as he is the most powerful Jedi known after Luke. I can't understand any reason to under-estimate him.
- Darth Revan: Master Kreia once said that "Revan was Power. Staring in to his eyes was like looking in to the heart of the force". Revan has performed many impressive deeds to warrant him a place at 5th spot at-least. And POD Novel has clearly indicated that it was due to Revan's knowledge that Bane became immensly powerful. Revan also knew devastating "Force Lightning Storm" that could kill many opponents in a single blow.
- Darth Bane: Read POD Novel for more information.
- Darth Traya: She has demonstrated us some impressive abilities that are seldom seen in others. But those abilities are not enough to make her reach TOP 5 spots. Kyp Durron also is in this spot.
- Darth Malak: Malak was the 2nd best after Revan in KOTOR and also became a Dark Lord of the Sith. He demonstrated powerful "Force Lightening" like that of Sidious, and "Saber Throw" like that of Darth Vader. He knew "Force Drain" and many other force powers as well. So in-short words, he was a very fine force adept.
- Count Dooku has also demonstrated great mastery in force. He could rip heavy objects from their foundations and throw them on helpless victims to crush them. He was also good at "Force Lightning" and his "Force Grip" was strong as well.
- Darth Nihilus has reached TOP 10 spot here because of his immensly powerful Force Drain technique. But he was not that powerful in actual fight. [/B]
You got alot of things mixed up, First LOTF luke > dn luke for sure
secondly Nihilus should be 2nd and on par with sidious, why? Because if you read unseen unheard, his force drain is so powerful it could destroy the entire landscape and turn the whole planet to rubble and his drain being so powerful it killed billions of life forms on katarr. Sidious is just as powerful with his wide range of force powers
Id put exar on par with sidious as well as nihilus
But above all the sith i will put freedon nadd, as a spirit he could harm people and he was able to push vodo from millions of lightyears away and trigger an avalanche on exar kun, Yet he himself in his real body could singlehandedly conquer onderon and yes, id still put him above revan because of zukas statements "he was far worse than revan and malak ever were" and how are you going to be a tyrant if your not as powerful as you are suppose to be? Even nadd was able to kill naga sadow
Revan being the heart of the force? a quote from an in universe perspective? Then i must say if so then tulak hord > all other sith lightsaber duelists.
If you want to use quotes as reference then sidious should be king of the universe being declared the most powerful or marka ragnos the most powerful of the most powerful and exar kun whom people claim his presence was so disturbing that the ground "trembled".
If you use inuniverse points of view then exar kun should be above revan, why? many kotor characters declare exar kun the strongest sith lord in history