Originally posted by CradoFunny how he was remembering what Palpatine said, even though he never said it.
Anakin showed no reaction the the 'telepathy', none. If Palpatine really had been communicating with him, Anakin would have acknowledged him. It's pretty clear that he was just remembering what Palpatine had been saying.
Originally posted by Crado
Anakin showed no reaction the the 'telepathy', none. If Palpatine really had been communicating with him, Anakin would have acknowledged him. It's pretty clear that he was just remembering what Palpatine had been saying.
It's not a fricken' phone system, Crado. Seems to me he was a bit too busy wrestling with extreme emotions to respond or even acknowledge anything.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou got alot of things flawed still. Firstly the exile had a defence to nihilus force drain, that is being a wound in the force. This has been stated many times. Any other person would die fighting him unless they are luke skywalker who knows how to remove himself from the force. Any other sith or jedi, including sidious,revan,exar kun all will die from his drain, You didnt look at any of the factors why he was killed easily. You forgot that a wound in the force blocks the force drain and the exile is a wound.His power was also his weakness and was slowly killing him. When he faced Jedi Exile who survived his massive force drain attack, then he was not much of challenge in an actual one-on-one fight and was killed easily. We should look at all factors when ranking an individual.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIn terms of range of powers yes.Sidious is more powerful and I ranked him appropriately.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDActually your wrong. Just to let you know freedon nadd conquered onderon by himself using the dark side of the force, the entire planet trembled when he became king. Even 400 years later the people on onderon still feared freedon nadd. That can show how evil he once worse. And remember he could attack you from halfway across the galaxy, He did it to vodo. And as a spirit he could trigger an avalanche to crush exar kun and force him to turn to the dark sideRevan was very powerful. Malak's betrayal actually led to his downfall or else he was un-stoppable. And you are forgetting that Revan was leader of a huge Sith Empire and also controlled an ancient super-weapon called "Star Forge", which could make him invincible.
I missed Freedon Nadd in my list but I will still rank him below Revan. Because being "Far Worse" has nothing to do with "being more powerful".
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd that was nadds "weak" spirit whom already can do things alot of other sith spirits can never do. If he was in his original body he would surpass all other sith lordsAnd Exar Kun actually destroyed Nadd's spirit on Yavin 4.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYes, but sidious is the dark side of the force himself, stated by many sources, And she feared nihilus, she herself is as close to revan and she got wtf pwned by a force push from nihilus
Kriea was Revan's master. She knew him well enough to make such a statement.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDShes a historian and she knows well about the ancient sith so id say shes right
And Tulak Horde might be incredibly good in Saber Dueling. We don't know much about him unfortunately.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDActually that is ambigious. There are so many candidates
DE Sidious was perhaps most powerful. Exar Kun was very close to him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt said most powerful OF the most powerful, That means every sith lord in star wars
Marka Ragnos is stated to be among most powerful but not the most. He has never faced a noteworthy rival accept Naga Sadow who was not as powerful as Exar, Revan, Bane and Sidious.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAgree
Exar Kun is already above Revan in my list. But Revan will give him a fight of his life if they ever met.
Actually your wrong. Just to let you know freedon nadd conquered onderon by himself using the dark side of the force, the entire planet trembled when he became king. Even 400 years later the people on onderon still feared freedon nadd. That can show how evil he once worse. And remember he could attack you from halfway across the galaxy, He did it to vodo. And as a spirit he could trigger an avalanche to crush exar kun and force him to turn to the dark side
That hardly ranks him above Revan. So what he conquered a planet of primitive people using the force. Revan conquered the entire outer rim. Being evil =/= Power. As a spirit not bound to any one place he used the force to attack Vodo, whew! He must be teh bestest evar! And he didn't force Exar to do shit, it was Exar's choice to go to Korriban, it was Exar's choice to think he was hot shit and could as a padawan survive on the planet un aided. Naad just set up a way for him to turn. So far you've given TWO feats that Revan has already trumped and thats supposed to make him better then Revan? Please.
And that was nadds "weak" spirit whom already can do things alot of other sith spirits can never do. If he was in his original body he would surpass all other sith lords
Proof? We've seen what the Sith spirits 5 times in all of Star Wars. Qurdrois(sp) was able to crash Bane's ship, Exar was able to do far more then Naad as a spirit, Marka was able to posses people, and Ajunta was too able to physically attack Revan. Stop the bullshit.
Shes a historian and she knows well about the ancient sith so id say shes right
So. Was she there? No. Therefor could she be reading exaggerated Sith legends? Yes. That hype up a Sith Lord in the time when everyone was using swords.
Actually that is ambigious. There are so many candidates
It said most powerful OF the most powerful, That means every sith lord in star wars
Not quite. It means he was the strongest of the Ancients, if that was the truth then Sidious wouldn't be the strongest.
Originally posted by Kadesh
You got alot of things flawed still. Firstly the exile had a defence to nihilus force drain, that is being a wound in the force. This has been stated many times. Any other person would die fighting him unless they are luke skywalker who knows how to remove himself from the force. Any other sith or jedi, including sidious,revan,exar kun all will die from his drain, You didnt look at any of the factors why he was killed easily. You forgot that a wound in the force blocks the force drain and the exile is a wound.
Thus, some credit also goes to Traya for this success.
Originally posted by Kadesh
In terms of range of powers yes.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Actually your wrong. Just to let you know freedon nadd conquered onderon by himself using the dark side of the force, the entire planet trembled when he became king. Even 400 years later the people on onderon still feared freedon nadd. That can show how evil he once worse. And remember he could attack you from halfway across the galaxy, He did it to vodo. And as a spirit he could trigger an avalanche to crush exar kun and force him to turn to the dark side
And that was nadds "weak" spirit whom already can do things alot of other sith spirits can never do. If he was in his original body he would surpass all other sith lords
[B]xxXAcStylesXxx has given a nice explanation.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes, but sidious is the dark side of the force himself, stated by many sources, And she feared nihilus, she herself is as close to revan and she got wtf pwned by a force push from nihilus
I made some errors in my last point in above post and editing time has ran out so I will rectify my errors here.
Yes, but sidious is the dark side of the force himself, stated by many sources, And she feared nihilus, she herself is as close to revan and she got wtf pwned by a force push from nihilus
Also, Traya was ambushed by both Sion and Nihilus before she was stripped from power and she was caught off-guard in that fight so she lost easily.
And Revan is more powerful then Traya actually.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDExploited? how? Even malak has his variation of force drain. Like i said. unless your luke or the fallanasi. You will die fighting nihilus. And kreia was ambushed yes, but was wtf pwned by a simple force pushed. That shows the mastery of nihilus powers and for his drain being able to shake down and entire planet, destroying billions of lives and completey shaking down every single building to dust is pretty amazing.
I made some errors in my last point in above post and editing time has ran out so I will rectify my errors here.Many others feared Nihilus but his power could be exploited and was exploited by Exile, and this plan was masterminded by Traya actually so she got her revenge.
Also, Traya was ambushed by both Sion and Nihilus before she was stripped from power and she was caught off-guard in that fight so she lost easily.
And Revan is more powerful then Traya actually.
Kreia knew nihilus was going to strike. remember her saying "He came to master the very greatest of the sith teachings"? And she knew that nihilus was going to feed on the entire galaxy at one point if he was not stopped, And she knew the only way was to use the exile because she is a wound, Had she sent revan, revan would have died. Had she gone herself,she too would have died.
Like i say, unless your luke, fallanasi,wound in the force or a yuuzhan vong, this guy will kill you. And his telekenesis is amazing, being able to use the force to pull the ravager whom is bigger than a imperial star destroyer out of the gravity wells of malachor, And a gravity well is wtf very deep in malachor. Remember the ebon hawk? it fell into the wells
Yes revan is stronger than kreia, she herself can wtf pwn revan with her force drain
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So, we agree. Remember that good Ranking should be based on range of powers and achievements. So Revan, Exar Kun, Bane and Sidious are above Nihilus..
very true which i agree, but also remember Nihilus hsa mastered certein abilities better than any of these sith lords, like his drain and push
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Much of that information is hyperbowl.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD[/QUOTE] Its his strength which is his weakness, im sure you know that
Many others feared Nihilus but his power could be exploited as she was not as powerful as Revan was.
Kreia knew nihilus was going to strike. remember her saying "He came to master the very greatest of the sith teachings"? And she knew that nihilus was going to feed on the entire galaxy at one point if he was not stopped, And she knew the only way was to use the exile because she is a wound, Had she sent revan, revan would have died. Had she gone herself,she too would have died.
Or had she taken a ship and blasted him him he would have died, or had someone did a force attack on him while at a distance he would have died. Had Revan been in the galaxy at the time Nihlius or any of the other Lords wouldn't have risen to such power.
Like i say, unless your luke, fallanasi,wound in the force or a yuuzhan vong, this guy will kill you. And his telekenesis is amazing, being able to use the force to pull the ravager whom is bigger than a imperial star destroyer out of the gravity wells of malachor, And a gravity well is wtf very deep in malachor. Remember the ebon hawk? it fell into the wellsYes revan is stronger than kreia, she herself can wtf pwn revan with her force drain
The Ebon Hawk fell because a clif broke and it well fell, if the gravity as you put it "WTF deep" nothing would be able to survive or walk on the planet if it can force a 1,000+ pound machine to the ground.
What makes you seem to think that:
A. The Ancients would create a power so strong that it could destroy the galaxy and there would be no defense against it. Why in the fyck would someone do that? Why would you make a power with no defense?
B. Why would you assume Revan who originally found Malachor and raided its cities, sapping info would have a lesser knowledge of the powers then Kreia and Nihlius.
C. Its VERY plausible to assume Revan could defend against it since he faces Malak who has pretty much the EXACT same power as Kreia, now we can assume one of two things, Malak didn't use the power because he knew it wouldn't work on such a powerful force user as Revan and thus it was pointless, or we can assume Revan simply blocked it or withstood it making the drain NOT absolute.
No it wasnt, Nadd demonstrated this in TOTJ
They were demonstrated but there not impressive compared to Revan thats the fact.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxO? it has been proven only luke could defend against this variation of the force drain, "Remove yourself from the force" And sadly revan has never met the fallanasi to learn this defence
Or had she taken a ship and blasted him him he would have died, or had someone did a force attack on him while at a distance he would have died. Had Revan been in the galaxy at the time Nihlius or any of the other Lords wouldn't have risen to such power.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxBecause kreia stated at that time there were no defence? If it so simply could be defended then none of the jedi should have died on katarr
A. The Ancients would create a power so strong that it could destroy the galaxy and there would be no defense against it. Why in the fyck would someone do that? Why would you make a power with no defense?
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxDoesnt change the fact that revan has no defence to nihilus force drain
B. Why would you assume Revan who originally found Malachor and raided its cities, sapping info would have a lesser knowledge of the powers then Kreia and Nihlius.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxMalaks force drain is not as powerful as kreia, If malak was that poweful, 1) he would have used the force to destroy the jedi(force drain) 2) he would be invincible. And knew it wouldnt work against revan? Well nihilus could use it to drain billions of life forms and hundreds of jedi on katarr, all Whom if teamed up can kill revan. Prove to me revan can defend against this force drain.
C. Its VERY plausible to assume Revan could defend against it since he faces Malak who has pretty much the EXACT same power as Kreia, now we can assume one of two things, Malak didn't use the power because he knew it wouldn't work on such a powerful force user as Revan and thus it was pointless, or we can assume Revan simply blocked it or withstood it making the drain NOT absolute.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxNot impressive? i think doing that and conquereing a planet with the dark side alone is pretty amazing
They were demonstrated but there not impressive compared to Revan thats the fact.
Originally posted by Kadesh
O? it has been proven only luke could defend against this variation of the force drain, "Remove yourself from the force" And sadly revan has never met the fallanasi to learn this defence
Until then, we only have assumed this from a game.
Originally posted by KadeshKriea mentioned this with respect to Jedi. Remember that she was a Sith in-disguise, and Sith usually hide their unique secrets from others.
Because kreia stated at that time there were no defence? If it so simply could be defended then none of the jedi should have died on katarr
And all those Jedi on Katarr never studied "Ancient Sith Powers" to discover a secret to counter "Force Drain". And they never knew that their gathering on Katarr would bring attention of an another dangerous Sith Lord (Darth Nihilus). So, they were also caught off-guard.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Doesnt change the fact that revan has no defence to nihilus force drain
Originally posted by Kadesh
Malaks force drain is not as powerful as kreia, If malak was that poweful, 1) he would have used the force to destroy the jedi(force drain) 2) he would be invincible. And knew it wouldnt work against revan? Well nihilus could use it to drain billions of life forms and hundreds of jedi on katarr, all Whom if teamed up can kill revan. Prove to me revan can defend against this force drain.
Revan countered this technique when it was used on him by Malak. We already have told you that he countered Malak's Force Drain attack on him, so their is no need for further proof.
Nihilus's Force Drain power is no-doubt much more dangerous. But Revan does not have to go to face Nihilus directly in a fight. He could slaughter him by his massive "Force Lightning Storm" attack from a large distance. Or he knows many other deadly Force Powers that can give him the advantage he needs in the fight against Nihilus or any other opponent. Remember that Revan was very smart.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Not impressive? i think doing that and conquereing a planet with the dark side alone is pretty amazing
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDUm, it has been argued time and again that his massive drain cannot be countered so easily and he destroyed billions of life forms so quickly.
Kadesh, I will believe this story when Nihilus's information will be added in [B]Star Wars Databank and these lines will be mentioned in it that his "Force Drain" could only be countered by the "removing yourself from force" technique.Until then, we only have assumed this from a game.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kriea mentioned this with respect to Jedi. Remember that she was a Sith in-disguise, and Sith usually hide their unique secrets from others.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDid you even play kotor 2 and read about nihilus? Firstly malak never used his drain on revan, malak used them on the frozen jedi, why? Becuase simply his drain isnt powerful enough to kill a normal jedi who is in combat mode And nihilus drain is so powerful it could destroy buildings.
Revan knew some sort of defence against "Force Drain". He faced Malak who used "Force Drain" power extensively to gain advantage over Revan in their fight but still failed. Their is no fact in your statement.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou seem to forget that those jedi were in a state near death and they were weakened. Nihilus was able to drain fully powered jedi on katarr. And apparantly they knew at the last minute nihilus was there on orbit.
Malak used his Force Drain to destroy a Jedi each time he required his life to sustain his energy. And even with all Jedi leeched by him, you could still defeat him so your "invincibility" arguement is false.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo, malak never used drain on revan, see the above
Revan countered this technique when it was used on him by Malak. We already have told you that he countered Malak's Force Drain attack on him, so their is no need for further proof.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDVery funny, firstly, Nihilus force drain is instant, while revans force lightning takes a while to generate. Secondly it has been proven that the force drain is indeed instant, Kreia proved this to use and note that Her and nihilus force drain will instantly kill its victims.
Nihilus's Force Drain power is no-doubt much more dangerous. But Revan does not have to go to face Nihilus directly in a fight. He could slaughter him by his massive "Force Lightning Storm" attack from a large distance. Or he knows many other deadly Force Powers that can give him the advantage he needs in the fight against Nihilus or any other opponent. Remember that Revan was very smart.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMore dangerous? Nadd prehaps could kill some one from halfway across the galaxy and yet he can singlehandedly conquer onderons military and become king. And when we talk about the whole planets army, we are talking about hundreds and thousands of people, Dont forget that nadd put exar kun on his ass and slaughtered naga sadow with ease
Freedon Nadd was perhaps more dangerous but not as powerful as Revan was.