Top 10 force users ( Excludes the Ancienth Sith )

Started by Darth_Frost29 pages
Originally posted by Kadesh
Utter crap, who ever said revan knew everything, by right its nihilus, sidious, exar all > revan, By the way, ragnos > revan

You are mad... Exile owned Nihlus... And ragnos couldn't possibly own revan...btw revan owns Exile 🙁

Nihilus couldn't beat the Exile because he had lost his connection to the force and Nihilus couldn't drain from him and when he tried it only made him weaker. Definately, Revan does own Exile.

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
You are mad... Exile owned Nihlus... And ragnos couldn't possibly own revan...btw revan owns Exile 🙁
HOho yea how many times do i need to say that Exile is a wound in the force which gave the exile TOTAL immunity to nihilus force drain. So by right its nihilus > Revan because revan does not have a defence!

And quit being a revan fanboy. Ragnos owns revan, Accept it

you have problems... ragnos couldnt possibly beat revan...
1. We don't have much info on rag
2. Revan knew the secreats of the Sith, The Jedi and who knows what more...
3.why do you always have to say to opposite of what i say ;P

the next info is about the midichlorian count in the blood...

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
Yoda = 17,700
Luke Skywalker = 14,500
Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
Shintor Beerus (ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
Ce Ce Denowai (the most powerful female Jedi) = 13,700
Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
Anakin Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 13,700
Darth Plagueis (Darth Sidious' master) = 13,600
Count Dooku/Tyranus = 13,500
Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
Kaja Sinis (the first Jedi) = 13,250
Kyle Katarn = 12,200
Mace Windu = 12,000
Darth Maul = 12,000
General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
Kit Fisto = 11,800
Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
Yaddle = 11,300
Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
Plo Koon = 11,100
Mara Jade = 11,000
Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars novels) = 10,700
Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
Darth Bane = 10,500
Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
Darth Imperius = 10,300
Shaak Ti = 10,300
Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
Aalya Secura = 10,000
Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
Average Jedi = 10,000
Assajj Ventress = 9,600
Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
Jacen Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
Xio Jade = 7,400
Chewbacca = 7,200
Tylus Liv = 7,100
Aurra Sing = 7,000
Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
Padme Amidala = 4,700
Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
Beru Lars = 3,700
Shmi = 3,300
Lando Calrissian = 3,300
Boba Fett= 1,500
Han Solo = 1,500
Jango Fett = 1,500
Owen Lars = 1,500

SuperShadow ^. SS = Crap

O? it has been proven only luke could defend against this variation of the force drain, "Remove yourself from the force" And sadly revan has never met the fallanasi to learn this defence

Whats the point of this response? My point was Nihlius is not as OMFG WTF INVINCIBLE111!!!1111 as your pitifully making him out to be. A force attack from a distance like the force storm would destroy Nihlius since he himself doesn't even willfully recognize individuals unless they are sitting in his face. Revan from a distance uses the Force Storm, game over.

Because kreia stated at that time there were no defence? If it so simply could be defended then none of the jedi should have died on katarr

She was NOT referring to any one power. She said this line when she was force pushed, not when she was talking about Nihlius or when she did her drain to the masters. This line could simply mean, Nihlius was so strong he owned my force shield. YOUR reading into it, if there was NO defence then Sion and The Exile should be dead and affected regardless of there special circumstances.

Doesn't change the fact that revan has no defence to nihilus force drain

Can you prove that?

Malaks force drain is not as powerful as kreia, If malak was that powerful, 1) he would have used the force to destroy the jedi(force drain) 2) he would be invincible. And knew it wouldn't work against revan? Well nihilus could use it to drain billions of life forms and hundreds of jedi on katarr, all Whom if teamed up can kill revan. Prove to me revan can defend against this force drain.

I already did, and he doesn't have to as I've pointed out by KOTOR 2 Nihlius wouldn't even recognize Revan unless he was 5 feet in front of him. Who's to say Malak could only use this power while being infused with the SF, since it did grant him great powers. And stop exaggerating numbers to make Nihlius sound impressive, There were NOT hundreds of Jedi on Katarr, the MASTERS gathered on Katarr not Knights and Padawans, unless you wanna prove that there were hundreds of masters left AFTER the Jedi Civil War then be my guest.

Not impressive? i think doing that and conquering a planet with the dark side alone is pretty amazing

No, no its not. Especially when all he did was pick a side and the USE the dark side to kill and drive back the beast riders, no its not impressive, again your pumping up his feats. And let alone the fact that the Onderon people were primitive back water planet with ONE walled city to keep out their criminals, yes REAL impressive.

Again, prove Ragnos > Revan.

Haha yea right. Firstly a sith swod is really really heavy and he was able to swing it around like a lightsaber, that proves how strong his physical strength is, Try giving yoda a sith sword and see if he has any difficulty handling one, Lets not forget naga sadow was shown blowing up a star with his amulet in TOTJ. He required an amulet though
"Suprise" attack applies here

Big whoop he was physically strong! There is something called the "FORCE" which moots any points on physical power, since the same can be attained with the aid of it.

Exactly he needed the amulet. Sadow had to put his anrgy face on to lob a brick at Kresh who couldn't even defend against it.

Um, its safe to say that Nadd possesed more powers and had more knowledge in sith alchemy and he knew techniques to corrupt an ENTIRE planet and yet conquer them with the power of the dark side of the force alone. Revan needed the SF and an army to do this, to conquere worlds, Nadd did this singlehandedly, slaying through an army and even his legacy lived for hundreds of years

Naad had what a holocron and Naga Sadows musings, Revan had what, Korriban, Lehon, An entire planet sized store house of Sith Knowledge AKA Malachor. Revan wins that.

Argh get off this "He corrupted an entire planet! He took ova bah himself!" Jeez why don't get on your knees and service him while your at it. Naad didn't slay the army he allied himself with the people of Iziz on Onderon and drove back the Beast Riders, then imposed himself on the ONE walled city one the planet again NOT impressive

Exar kun may be more powerul, but lets not forget nadd put exar on his ass as a spirit, And that nadd could have possibly killed some one by not even being there. And remember that sith spirits weaken as time passes? That is a glimpse of how powerful nadd is in his original form

You do understand that his spirit was not bound to any one place.

Good points! xxXAcStylesXxx! 😉

Kadesh actually heavily underestimates Revan's power and over-estimates Nihilus's power. This is my mini-conclusion about him.

And Ragnos is also over-hyped.

Utter crap, who ever said revan knew everything, by right its nihilus, sidious, exar all > revan, By the way, ragnos > revan

Do you even know something about Revan or not?

Revan is easily on par with Exar Kun and very close to Sidious in power. We already know from "POD Novel" that how immense Revan's knowledge of Sith Powers was.

And Ragnos has never faced any Sith Lord that was as powerful as Revan, Sidious, Exar and Bane were. He is only noted for defeating "Simus" and thats it. His Rivals: Naga Sadow and Kresh were not very powerful either.

Ragnos was in-fact lucky.

And according to you any powerful Sith Lord is more powerful then Revan, so you stop telling people that who is more powerful and who is not.

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
you have problems... ragnos couldnt possibly beat revan...
1. We don't have much info on rag
2. Revan knew the secreats of the Sith, The Jedi and who knows what more...
3.why do you always have to say to opposite of what i say ;P
Yes ithink i overhyped ragnos, But firstly its best not to use ragnos at all since we know nothing about him,

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Whats the point of this response? My point was Nihlius is not as OMFG WTF INVINCIBLE111!!!1111 as your pitifully making him out to be. A force attack from a distance like the force storm would destroy Nihlius since he himself doesn't even willfully recognize individuals unless they are sitting in his face. Revan from a distance uses the Force Storm, game over.
First. Why not prove that revan can even unleash a force storm at nihilus from a distance? Because why? Revan 1) cant sense nihilus 2) it takes time for his storm to build up 3) nihilus is a corward i admit that he strikes from the distance with his force drain.

By the way, do you know how high is it from the ground to right at the tip of the atmoshpere? i think it can be thousands of miles(i may be wrong) But nihilus was able to drain the entire planet while he is in space in orbit.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

She was NOT referring to any one power. She said this line when she was force pushed, not when she was talking about Nihlius or when she did her drain to the masters. This line could simply mean, Nihlius was so strong he owned my force shield. YOUR reading into it, if there was NO defence then Sion and The Exile should be dead and affected regardless of there special circumstances. .
But she was wrong? am i correct, she didnt know that being a wound in the force serves as a defence against nihilus consuming force power. And by the way, do not use cut content about sion getting his ass kicked by nihilus.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

Can you prove that?
Sure, have you heard of the fallanasi looping technique? 1) They teach you how to remove yourself from the force completely.
2) Only luke has learned this ability from the fallanasi, there may be others
3) Sadly revan has never met the fallanasi

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

I already did, and he doesn't have to as I've pointed out by KOTOR 2 Nihlius wouldn't even recognize Revan unless he was 5 feet in front of him. Who's to say Malak could only use this power while being infused with the SF, since it did grant him great powers. And stop exaggerating numbers to make Nihlius sound impressive, There were NOT hundreds of Jedi on Katarr, the MASTERS gathered on Katarr not Knights and Padawans, unless you wanna prove that there were hundreds of masters left AFTER the Jedi Civil War then be my guest.
I may be wrong about the one hundred jedi, But do you think nihilus cares if he doesnt know it is revan or not? First of all when he is consuming the galaxy, he does not care who he is going to consume. And i never said that malak can only use force drain on the SF.

By the way, do you know what is the difference between a normal force drain and nihilus force drain? 1) Nihilus force drain, drains the force remember? That kreia and visas STATED he consumes the force entirely and do you think a simple shield can defend against something which will consume it because it is part of the force?

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

No, no its not. Especially when all he did was pick a side and the USE the dark side to kill and drive back the beast riders, no its not impressive, again your pumping up his feats. And let alone the fact that the Onderon people were primitive back water planet with ONE walled city to keep out their criminals, yes REAL impressive.

Again, prove Ragnos > Revan.

Not impressive that he pushed vodo from halfway across the galaxy? Not impressed that AS a spirit he could trigger an avalanche to crush exar kun before he fell to the dark side?

And why not prove revan > ragnos when its said that ragnos is the most powerful of the ancient sith back at his time?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan is easily on par with Exar Kun and very close to Sidious in power. We already know from "POD Novel" that how immense Revan's knowledge of Sith Powers was.

Maybe so, but i do not believe that revan is even close to sidious when sidious mastered every single dark side technique in the force. Want to try to make a Sidious vs revan thread?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Ragnos has never faced any Sith Lord that was as powerful as Revan, Sidious, Exar and Bane were. He is only noted for defeating "Simus" and thats it. His Rivals: Naga Sadow and Kresh were not very powerful either.
Really? i find it impressive that naga could make an amulet which can cause a star to go super nova, think i spew bull shit? read TOTJ DLOTS

And acstyles.. yea i think i may have overrated nihilus a little bit but honestly revan does not have a defence to a technique wich can drain the force out of him, I am not making this up.

anyways im not going to argue on

Since when can Revan pull off a force storm?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes ithink i overhyped ragnos, But firstly its best not to use ragnos at all since we know nothing about him,

First. Why not prove that revan can even unleash a force storm at nihilus from a distance? Because why? Revan 1) cant sense nihilus 2) it takes time for his storm to build up 3) nihilus is a corward i admit that he strikes from the distance with his force drain.

By the way, do you know how high is it from the ground to right at the tip of the atmoshpere? i think it can be thousands of miles(i may be wrong) But nihilus was able to drain the entire planet while he is in space in orbit.

But she was wrong? am i correct, she didnt know that being a wound in the force serves as a defence against nihilus consuming force power. And by the way, do not use cut content about sion getting his ass kicked by nihilus.

Sure, have you heard of the fallanasi looping technique? 1) They teach you how to remove yourself from the force completely.
2) Only luke has learned this ability from the fallanasi, there may be others
3) Sadly revan has never met the fallanasi

I may be wrong about the one hundred jedi, But do you think nihilus cares if he doesnt know it is revan or not? First of all when he is consuming the galaxy, he does not care who he is going to consume. And i never said that malak can only use force drain on the SF.

By the way, do you know what is the difference between a normal force drain and nihilus force drain? 1) Nihilus force drain, drains the force remember? That kreia and visas STATED he consumes the force entirely and do you think a simple shield can defend against something which will consume it because it is part of the force?

Not impressive that he pushed vodo from halfway across the galaxy? Not impressed that AS a spirit he could trigger an avalanche to crush exar kun before he fell to the dark side?

And why not prove revan > ragnos when its said that ragnos is the most powerful of the ancient sith back at his time?

Maybe so, but i do not believe that revan is even close to sidious when sidious mastered every single dark side technique in the force. Want to try to make a Sidious vs revan thread?

Really? i find it impressive that naga could make an amulet which can cause a star to go super nova, think i spew bull shit? read TOTJ DLOTS

And acstyles.. yea i think i may have overrated nihilus a little bit but honestly revan does not have a defence to a technique wich can drain the force out of him, I am not making this up.

anyways im not going to argue on

Amulet? You mean space ship...........?

Originally posted by kamikz
Amulet? You mean space ship...........?

No, vodo siok bass holocron featured nagas amulet blowing up the stars in DLOTS

Originally posted by The Planet
Since when can Revan pull off a force storm?

They meant a force lightning storm, and i think it is ridiculous to say that revan can even be close to palpatine whose force storm is so powerful it can tear the fabrics of space itself

While the author said it was thanks to the ship!

Originally posted by kamikz
While the author said it was thanks to the ship!
Yes im aware that his ship is capable to blow up a star. But so? It was SHOWN that he did it with his amulet. And isnt the crystals on the amulet similar to that of his ship?

W/e im out guys, anyways i will not argue on since none of us agree to any of our arguements.

So yes xxAcstylesxx im not gonna go on . Pointless if none of us agree.
Lets make it this way.

1.Unkown(too many powerful sith lords)

But revan is sure in the top 10, Definately and who ever said i underestimated him?.

These are the things i know revan has
"Force storm lighting"
"Normal basic force powers (push pull etc)
"Normal lightning"
"Grip" since its a trade mark ability
alot more, just lazy to type.
Dissipate too

Meh, you can't post then quit...

First. Why not prove that revan can even unleash a force storm at nihilus from a distance? Because why? Revan 1) cant sense nihilus 2) it takes time for his storm to build up 3) nihilus is a corward i admit that he strikes from the distance with his force drain.

Well, lets see unless he let the Rataka scouts sit in his face and slash him, we can assume there was a reasonable distance, moreover why does it even matter. Revan can't sense Nihlius? Were did you get this bullshit from? Kreia could find him, Visas could find him, Atris could find him, again why does it matter in this hypothetical battle why does Revan need to sense him when he's standing 20 feet in front of him.

Nihlius CANNOT see beings so small unless they are right in front of him, so all Revan or anyone logically has to do is stand a reasonable distance away from him then unleash a force attack, ie the Force Storm. Unless you wanna try and argue that Revan has the force energy of an entire planet for Nihlius to recognize him.

By the way, do you know how high is it from the ground to right at the tip of the atmoshpere? i think it can be thousands of miles(i may be wrong) But nihilus was able to drain the entire planet while he is in space in orbit.

Thats because there was

A. Powerful Jedi gathered in one spot

B. An entire PLANET of force sensitives.

But she was wrong? am i correct, she didnt know that being a wound in the force serves as a defence against nihilus consuming force power. And by the way, do not use cut content about sion getting his ass kicked by nihilus.

Exactly my point she is a fallible source, and she obviously doesn't know EVERY means of defense from the power. Therefore its very arrogant of you to assume that there is no defense, especially when the power was created by power hungry Sith Lords who wished to one up each other and if oe attained this power then there would currently be no galaxy in SW. Absence of proof is not evidence of absence

Not impressive that he pushed vodo from halfway across the galaxy? Not impressed that AS a spirit he could trigger an avalanche to crush exar kun before he fell to the dark side?

No, they are not. As a spirit Naad was not bound to any one place in the galaxy, therefore he when he pushed Vodo it was as if he was right in front of him, had he been bound to Dxun or Yavin it would have been impressive, and no triggering an avalanche that couldn't even kill Kun is not impressive.

And why not prove revan > ragnos when its said that ragnos is the most powerful of the ancient sith back at his time?

You just said it yourself, ANCIENT SITH BACK IN HIS TIME. Revan is not apart of that time, Revan and company viewed them as Ancients.


Really? i find it impressive that naga could make an amulet which can cause a star to go super nova, think i spew bull shit? read TOTJ DLOTS

So being smart = WTF Pwnage Powah!!!!111!!? No.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Meh, you can't post then quit...
fine then

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

Well, lets see unless he let the Rataka scouts sit in his face and slash him, we can assume there was a reasonable distance, moreover why does it even matter. Revan can't sense Nihlius? Were did you get this bullshit from? Kreia could find him, Visas could find him, Atris could find him, again why does it matter in this hypothetical battle why does Revan need to sense him when he's standing 20 feet in front of him.
Lets not forget that nihilus force draining techniques are instant, and that revans storm takes a mere few seconds. See the difference? And nihilus can do the same thing from a far distance if he can execute his drain thousands of miles up in orbit, Do you think it matters if revan is 20feet away?

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

Nihlius CANNOT see beings so small unless they are right in front of him, so all Revan or anyone logically has to do is stand a reasonable distance away from him then unleash a force attack, ie the Force Storm. Unless you wanna try and argue that Revan has the force energy of an entire planet for Nihlius to recognize him.
Nihilus can do the same, point moot. And need i not say that his drain is alot faster than other techniques? That kreia have unleashed the same attack on the 3 jedi masters BEFORE they could even attack? That proves that is instant, And revans force storm lightning is a massive scale power, Massive scale power takes time to build am i correct?

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

Thats because there was

A. Powerful Jedi gathered in one spot

B. An entire PLANET of force sensitives.

Come on, a powerful jedi is enough to sense him where he is, Especially since its revan being very powerful

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

Exactly my point she is a fallible source, and she obviously doesn't know EVERY means of defense from the power. Therefore its very arrogant of you to assume that there is no defense, especially when the power was created by power hungry Sith Lords who wished to one up each other and if oe attained this power then there would currently be no galaxy in SW. Absence of proof is not evidence of absence
O then she could be a fallible source for revan ya know.
And i didnt assume there is no defence, Did you ever heard of the fallanasi people who could remove themselves from the force ?
Luke has met these people to learn this ability and sadly revan has NEVER met the fallanasi people. Do you want me to call advent on this one? Do you think a simple shield can block a technique which consumes the force itself? Obviously he cant drain a force attack but he can drain the force sensitive, Do you know the difference between a simple force drain that alot of sith lords know and the drain that nihilus has? You seem to forget this time and again.

1)nihilus drain, Consumes the force, it drains force energies as stated by visas and kreia and the ultimate visual guide

2) a simple force drain just drains the victims life and can be resisted

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

No, they are not. As a spirit Naad was not bound to any one place in the galaxy, therefore he when he pushed Vodo it was as if he was right in front of him, had he been bound to Dxun or Yavin it would have been impressive, and no triggering an avalanche that couldn't even kill Kun is not impressive.
Wrong, nadd was with exar kun at the time vodo meditated. if nadd had gone into vodos ship, Then the trio would know that nadd is in there am i correct? By the way, if spirits are not bound to one place, then why was exar kun trapped in his temple for 4000 years, Obviously he wasnt resting when he first got trapped because he was screaming for ulic. So your point compltely falls on this one.

Prove to me he was in vodos ship

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

You just said it yourself, ANCIENT SITH BACK IN HIS TIME. Revan is not apart of that time, Revan and company viewed them as Ancients.
And didnt kreia stated that the ancient sith masters were the true masters of dueling? "That if the great masters of our era (revan) were to come in combat with a sith lord, we would be as children playing with toys compared to the old masters" By the way. Kreia is a historian, so why lie and build up bull shit

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

So being smart = WTF Pwnage Powah!!!!111!!? No.
Nonetheless naga still used it to cause stars to go supernova, anyways naga is much of an unkown

here is a quote i forgot to add xxAcstylesxx, maybe its time you back down your arguements of claiming that nadd was at vodos ship and not being bound to a place

here goes

On Korriban, Nadd's spirit approached Exar and tricked him to trap himself. Nadd claimed to the injured Kun that only the dark side of the Force could save him. Refused to join the dark side, Exar's mind called for his Master. When Master Vodo received the call, the Jedi Master meditated with the light, trying to shield Exar from the dark side influence. Freedon Nadd detected Vodo's interference, and in a masterful display of his dark power, Nadd attacked Vodo from light years away.

And do you know where was nadd at the time of this? he was with exar, On korriban

Please dont tell me the crap that bull shit is being typed in wookiepedia, Since its maintained by people who respect canon policy
Some articles may not be true, and i highly reconmend you read DLOTS because i doubt you have, And stop underestimating Nadd

Lets not forget that nihilus force draining techniques are instant, and that revans storm takes a mere few seconds. See the difference? And nihilus can do the same thing from a far distance if he can execute his drain thousands of miles up in orbit, Do you think it matters if revan is 20feet away?

What don't you get? NIHLIUS CANNOT SEE Revan, Revan isn't on his scale of power. Visas mentions this, something along the lines of he only sees planets and celestial bodies as those are the only things that can sustain him. How can Nihlius defend against something he cannot see? He cannot prepare a defense since he has no idea Revan is even there. Unless as I said you wanna put Revans power along that of the lines of celestial bodies of energy.

Nihilus can do the same, point moot. And need i not say that his drain is alot faster than other techniques? That kreia have unleashed the same attack on the 3 jedi masters BEFORE they could even attack? That proves that is instant, And revans force storm lightning is a massive scale power, Massive scale power takes time to build am i correct?

3 things wrong with what you said, As I've pointed out Nihlius cannot see Revan, The masters simply DIDN'T attack Kreia, they had ample time to do so while she gave her little rant, and she had already attacked them, The time is regardless, anyways he still have no indication of how long it takes to shoot off the Force Storm.

Come on, a powerful jedi is enough to sense him where he is, Especially since its revan being very powerful

Oh really? Is that why he didn't even know his ship was boarded by the Exile, Visas, and multiple Mandalorians and for that matter didn't even care. Is that why he couldn't find Kreia or the Exile or Atris, hell he couldn't even find Vrook, Kavar, Zek, Kreia the Exile his entire party of Jedi all gathered at the SAME spot.

O then she could be a fallible source for revan ya know.
And i didnt assume there is no defence, Did you ever heard of the fallanasi people who could remove themselves from the force ?
Luke has met these people to learn this ability and sadly revan has NEVER met the fallanasi people. Do you want me to call advent on this one? Do you think a simple shield can block a technique which consumes the force itself? Obviously he cant drain a force attack but he can drain the force sensitive, Do you know the difference between a simple force drain that alot of sith lords know and the drain that nihilus has? You seem to forget this time and again.

She is NOT a fallible source for Revan because she PERSONALLY SAW AND TRAINED him therefore she has the right to speak on him. Logic.

The POINT was you trying to prove that there are ONLY two ways of defending. Which as logic heavily implies that there are more.

You seem to feel the need to reinforce a pointless argument, I NEVER said Revan has a defense I said it was IMPLIED, and he wouldn't need it.

1)nihilus drain, Consumes the force, it drains force energies as stated by visas and kreia and the ultimate visual guide

2) a simple force drain just drains the victims life and can be resisted

Um no, YOU are the one who doesn't get the force drain, there all the same damn thing its just one is of a MUCH higher magnitude then the other, simple as that, Life force = THE FORCE.

Wrong, nadd was with exar kun at the time vodo meditated. if nadd had gone into vodos ship, Then the trio would know that nadd is in there am i correct? By the way, if spirits are not bound to one place, then why was exar kun trapped in his temple for 4000 years, Obviously he wasnt resting when he first got trapped because he was screaming for ulic. So your point compltely falls on this one.

*Sigh* Its like talking to a brick wall, I'll space out my arguments since you seem to ignore and skim paragraphs.

Naad as a spirit was not bound to ANY one place in the galaxy thats why he could move from Yavin to Onderon, to being with Exar one second to being with Ulic and co. the next seconds, by moving through the force. Now, lets apply some logic, A force push on Vodo could be produced from anywhere in the galaxy as long as Vodo can still be felt in the force and as long as Naad is still tied to it.

I didn't say ALL spirits were unbound, I actually made the point that Naad was one of the exceptions. UNLIKE Exar Kun and many others.

Learn to read.

Prove to me he was in vodos ship

I don't have to.

And didnt kreia stated that the ancient sith masters were the true masters of dueling? "That if the great masters of our era (revan) were to come in combat with a sith lord, we would be as children playing with toys compared to the old masters" By the way. Kreia is a historian, so why lie and build up bull shit

Kreia in that sense is a fallible third party source relying on SITH legends HYPING themselves as "TEH GREATEST TANGS EVAR" was Kreia there to witness these "uber 1337 skillz"? No. Is she in a position to declare anything on that time period? No.

Nonetheless naga still used it to cause stars to go supernova, anyways naga is much of an unkown

And, its STILL not his power.

On Korriban, Nadd's spirit approached Exar and tricked him to trap himself. Nadd claimed to the injured Kun that only the dark side of the Force could save him. Refused to join the dark side, Exar's mind called for his Master. When Master Vodo received the call, the Jedi Master meditated with the light, trying to shield Exar from the dark side influence. Freedon Nadd detected Vodo's interference, and in a masterful display of his dark power, Nadd attacked Vodo from light years away.

And do you know where was nadd at the time of this? he was with exar, On korriban

So...whats your point? Its right to a degree, It just doesn't shed light on the fact that as spirit Nadd isn't bound to a single place therefore can move freely in the force as can logically his attacks if he chooses.

Please dont tell me the crap that bull shit is being typed in wookiepedia, Since its maintained by people who respect canon policy
Some articles may not be true, and i highly reconmend you read DLOTS because i doubt you have, And stop underestimating Nadd

I highly recommend YOU read them as its pretty obvious you haven't and are relying on Wookie as your source. I already have, I know what Im talking about, you don't. And did it ever occur to you that Wookie just as any other FAN SITE can be wrong and shouldn't be used with out their sources cited and picture's to back it up, and a basic level of comprehension(what you lacked in this case)