Top 10 force users ( Excludes the Ancienth Sith )

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um, it has been argued time and again that his massive drain cannot be countered so easily and he destroyed billions of life forms so quickly.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes but she herself stated that his drain had no defence. Not until the fallanasi came about

Originally posted by Kadesh
Did you even play kotor 2 and read about nihilus? Firstly malak never used his drain on revan, malak used them on the frozen jedi, why? Becuase simply his drain isnt powerful enough to kill a normal jedi who is in combat mode And nihilus drain is so powerful it could destroy buildings.

Man! you need to replay the game.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You seem to forget that those jedi were in a state near death and they were weakened. Nihilus was able to drain fully powered jedi on katarr. And apparantly they knew at the last minute nihilus was there on orbit.

Malak and Bandon both had capability to Drain a fully powered Jedi in fight. But if you are using "Force Immunity" then "Force Drain" does not effects you enough.

I have played KOTOR many times and I know this.

Originally posted by Kadesh
No, malak never used drain on revan, see the above

Originally posted by Kadesh
Very funny, firstly, Nihilus force drain is instant, while revans force lightning takes a while to generate. Secondly it has been proven that the force drain is indeed instant, Kreia proved this to use and note that Her and nihilus force drain will instantly kill its victims.

You can surprise Nihilus first with one of your deadly force powers and then he won't get a chance to Drain you. Remember that "Game Mechanics" of KOTOR II does not allow you to launch a surprise attack on Nihilus but that does not means that it is not possible in real-time fight or actual fight.

A rule of "Surprise and hit first" applies here.

Originally posted by Kadesh
More dangerous? Nadd prehaps could kill some one from halfway across the galaxy and yet he can singlehandedly conquer onderons military and become king. And when we talk about the whole planets army, we are talking about hundreds and thousands of people, Dont forget that nadd put exar kun on his ass and slaughtered naga sadow with ease

Exar Kun managed to kill Nadd's spirit despite any difficulty involved. So he proved to be a better fighter.

About Revan: "Bane" mentioned (in POD) about Revan's mastery in the Dark Side. Revan possessed more knowledge of the Dark Side powers then the combined knowledge of Sith powers found in Academies and Tombs in entire Korriban planet. His powers were described as having awesome potential and very dangerous. A person who knows "Though Bomb", can also know many other dangerous powers as well.

You should accept the fact that both Revan and Exar Kun are more powerful then Nadd.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Exar Kun managed to kill Nadd's spirit despite any difficulty involved. So he proved to be a better fighter.

Are you just trying to be ridiculous? Or do you genuinely believe this twisted logic you type?

Exar was able to exterminate Freedon's spirit with the ease at which he did it for a reason not inclusive of being a "better fighter". If you recall, Nadd had been apparently awestruck that he could come back to power in a newborn body with the help of Exar Kun. Exar gives a little spiel, in which Nadd brushes off saying "Nonsense! Let's get to work.", and immediately after - without any hesitation or forewarning - Exar sticks his hand through Nadd, which destroys his spirit:

How was Nadd expected to defend against something he didn't see coming? The only thing that gave notion that Kun would do that is "I've had enough of you guiding me, testing me", which is hardly indication that someone is about to destroy you. Plus, Kun was in very close distance to Nadd anyways, which even furthers the fact that it'd be unexpected.

So, as for the better question: how does this prove Exar to be more capable warrior? Oh? What's that? It doesn't.

But do note that I'd wager Exar Kun is more powerful than Freedon Nadd anyways (and quite possibly by some decent margin), but the logic you used to attempt to prove that is heavily flawed, and quite frankly ridiculous. So, if you plan on making a rebuttal (for which reason I'd be at a loss to surmise, as you were plainly wrong in your statement), keep in mind that I'm not debating Nadd > Kun, because as I've already said it's actually Kun > Nadd, but that I'm debating the logic you have used.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

We will know the actual truth when Nihilus's information will be up on "Star Wars Databank".

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Malak uses his Force Drain on Revan unless you use "Force Immunity".

Wow using gameplay mechanics?
Firstly there is no such thing as "force immunity" Canonically revan doesnt have that. If you are gonna use gamplay mechanics then exile should > revan because she has all the god like powers

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Those Jedi were in perfect shape and Malak drained their power to sustain his own life in-case he needed it. How can you say that he will keep heavily wounded Jedi in Captivity?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Malak and Bandon both had capability to Drain a fully powered Jedi in fight. But if you are using "Force Immunity" then "Force Drain" does not effects you enough.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have played KOTOR many times and I know this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Your assumptions are never-ending. He uses that power on Revan unless Revan uses "Force Immunity". Dammit, even my Revan knew "Force Drain" and I used it on Malak but it could not effect him much because he was using "Force Immunity" too.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

A lot of force powers can be instantly generated, provided that you use them as soon as you see your opponents.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You can surprise Nihilus first with one of your deadly force powers and then he won't get a chance to Drain you. Remember that "Game Mechanics" of KOTOR II does not allow you to launch a surprise attack on Nihilus but that does not means that it is not possible in real-time fight or actual fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Naga Sadow was a joke in actual fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Exar Kun managed to kill Nadd's spirit despite any difficulty involved. So he proved to be a better fighter.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[B]About Revan: "Bane" mentioned (in POD) about Revan's mastery in the Dark Side. Revan possessed more knowledge of the Dark Side powers then the combined knowledge of Sith powers found in Academies and Tombs in entire Korriban planet. His powers were described as having awesome potential and very dangerous. A person who knows "Though Bomb", can also know many other dangerous powers as well.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You should accept the fact that both Revan and Exar Kun are more powerful then Nadd.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Firstly even revans data isnt complete in the data banks

Nihilus's information isn't even up yet.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Wow using gameplay mechanics?
Firstly there is no such thing as "force immunity" Canonically revan doesnt have that. If you are gonna use gamplay mechanics then exile should > revan because she has all the god like powers

Remember that even "Darth Bandon" repeatedly used "Force Drain" attacks on Revan and his companions. If Revan had not known how to counter that power, then Revan would have been killed in that fight.

Exile vs Revan arguement is useless here. I have not mentioned anything regarding "Level-Ups" in KOTOR Games.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Perfect shape? Malak admitted to weaken them by bombarding dantooine and they were weakened, also note that they were frozen and in a state close to death.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Prove that. Firstly game mechanics arent canon, if so, then vader could use lightning which is utter bullshit. See the above

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yea, you know well about game mechanics, but your forgot that they arent canon, want me to call escape81 and advent for this matter?

"Force Immunity" is a form of defence and it is present in "Force Powers" section of KOTOR games, which is the same section in which "Force Drain" and all other Force Powers are also included. So by your logic, all those Force Powers are actually part of "Game-Mechanics" and have nothing to do with Canon material.

Use some common-sense, Kadesh!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Utter garbage(no offense). You are using game mechanics again. "Your revan" refers to gameplay revan which isnt canon. Then should i add cut content to nihilus? him being able to wtf pwn sion and him suspending the whole party and force pushing visas across the ravager deck hundreds of yards?

And Sion made a huge blunder by rushing towards Nihilus with just his Light Saber. So, Nihilus had ample time to use his Force Drain power to over-power him.

Nihilus would be good at "Force Push" but you can't compare Visas to Revan. Revan was far more powerful then Visas. Now, don't tell me that Revan could not block "Force Push".

Originally posted by Kadesh
True, but not super scale powers. Canonically revans force storm is the one in POD which took time to generate, Palpatines force storm took a few seconds, and even nihilus force drain on super scales took a few seconds, In a 1v1 battle his drain is quick as proven by kreia

Originally posted by Kadesh
You cant use game mechanics because they are not canon

He is smart enough to not jump on Nihilus like Sion did.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Haha yea right. Firstly a sith swod is really really heavy and he was able to swing it around like a lightsaber, that proves how strong his physical strength is, Try giving yoda a sith sword and see if he has any difficulty handling one, Lets not forget naga sadow was shown blowing up a star with his amulet in TOTJ. He required an amulet though

And Naga Sadow has not encountered a rival as powerful as Revan and Exar Kun to show his superior fighting potential.

Originally posted by Kadesh
"Suprise" attack applies here

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um, its safe to say that Nadd possesed more powers and had more knowledge in sith alchemy and he knew techniques to corrupt an ENTIRE planet and yet conquer them with the power of the dark side of the force alone. Revan needed the SF and an army to do this, to conquere worlds, Nadd did this singlehandedly, slaying through an army and even his legacy lived for hundreds of years

Originally posted by Kadesh
Exar kun may be more powerul, but lets not forget nadd put exar on his ass as a spirit, And that nadd could have possibly killed some one by not even being there. And remember that sith spirits weaken as time passes? That is a glimpse of how powerful nadd is in his original form

Same is the case with Nadd's spirit.

Damm you still defy canon

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But some information about him is mentiond in different sections of Star Wars Databank.

Nihilus's information isn't even up yet.
What difference does it make?

[QUOTE=7808955]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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I won't argue upon "Force Immunity" being canon or not but note that your assumption that "Force Drain" power cannot be countered is baseless. Defence against a Force Power attack can be in any form but in the game they introduced the concept of "Force Immunity" to represent a defensive mechanism in a Jedi. The actual point was to show that a some sort of defence existed against even against a "Force Drain" power attack.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[B]Remember that even "Darth Bandon" repeatedly used "Force Drain" attacks on Revan and his companions. If Revan had not known how to counter that power, then Revan would have been killed in that fight.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Exile vs Revan arguement is useless here. I have not mentioned anything regarding "Level-Ups" in KOTOR Games.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Those Jedi were in "[B]stasis" inside those protective tanks, but they were in good shape and were not close to death. That is why Malak kept them in his main chamber to feed on their power, if necessary.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

"Vader using Force Lightning" arguement is also irrelevant here. And check my Darth Bandon related example above.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Advent is already reading our posts. Escape81 does not argues with me much until it is very necessary.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

"Force Immunity" is a form of defence and it is present in "Force Powers" section of KOTOR games, which is the same section in which "Force Drain" and all other Force Powers are also included. So by your logic, all those Force Powers are actually part of "Game-Mechanics" and have nothing to do with Canon material.

Use some common-sense, Kadesh!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

My purpose was to inform you that some sort of defence existed against Force Drain power attack.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Sion made a huge blunder by rushing towards Nihilus with just his Light Saber. So, Nihilus had ample time to use his Force Drain power to over-power him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Nihilus would be good at "Force Push" but you can't compare Visas to Revan. Revan was far more powerful then Visas. Now, don't tell me that Revan could not block "Force Push".

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

"Force Wave" is even quicker.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You did not get my point. Any opponent can be surprised. Revan can use "Surprise" tactics to over-power Nihilus and his "Pre-cognition" is excellent and thus he can accurately judge actions of opponents before they make a move.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Light Saber is far more deadly weapon then any sword. It eliminates the extensive use of "Strength Factor" for a good reason.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Naga Sadow has not encountered a rival as powerful as Revan and Exar Kun to show his superior fighting potential.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Bane was an idiot and entire knowledge of Sith powers in Korriban planet was a joke compared to Freedon Nadd's knowledge. A good logic you have pulled off here.

Yes, a good logic to prove that nadd Knew just as much and used it to conquer a planet alone fighting throug millions of people and slaughtering the entire army and did things revan couldnt do
[QUOTE=7808955]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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Ajunta Pall's spirit was also powerful enough to kill an enemy but that does not means that Ajunta Pall was more powerful then any opponent.

Secondly nadd was powerful enough to attempt to KILL some one HALFWAY across the galaxy, do you know how much power it shows about nadd? Ajunta may have been powerful in his original form but we have no idea how. But we have a brief idea of how powerful nadd is

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Same is the case with Nadd's spirit.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um you forget a simple small version of force drain can be resisted easily, There is a difference between bandons and malaks drain compered to the drains of nihilus and kreia. 1) nihilus drain is far more powerful and can instantly kill its victims 2) Kreia demonstrated this and stated nihilus mastery of drain greatly surpasses her. The only defence to this mega drain is like i said, fallanasi looping

First, you were telling me that "Force Drain" power can't be defended against and now suddenly you agree that normal "Force Drain" power can be defended against. I told you before that Malak and Bandon could use "Force Drain" power on any opponent but you asked me to prove it. Then I gave you an example and now you have suddenly changed your position. Kadesh! learn to debate properly before jumping in it.

Nihilus's Force Drain is no-doubt far more powerful and it would be a possibility that it cannot be defended against until an opponent knows how to remove himself/herself from the force. But I have told you that I will wait for Nihilus's profile in "Star Wars Databank" for final verification on this point, so their is no need to tell me again and again about how powerful Nihilus's Drain is. I already know about it.

Originally posted by Kadesh
What ever happens in gameplay is not canon. Darth bandon can be scrathching his head and you can run around in circles but does that actually happen? No, By the way like i said, A simple drain can be resisted, jaden korr and kyle have proved this

Kadesh, stop making lame arguements in a debate. I gave you an example that show us that a normal "Force Drain" attack can be defended against. Now, how Revan defends against it? we are not sure but he faced opponents that knew this power and he managed to kill those opponents because he knew how to defend against such an attack. This logic is not difficult to understand.

That fight between Bandon and Revan took place and it is canon. And Bandon knew "Force Drain" and he used it in the fight but he lost. Their is a valid reason behind this and I have explained it already.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Exactly because those powers you get are not canon thus you cant use that as an argument

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes they were, malak said so him self "a state near death" or "remember the jedi i bombed on dantooine" Obviously they were injured and near death

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes but you use game mechanics

Originally posted by Kadesh
I doubt escape81 is reading our posts atm. ill pm him to argue with you
Wow still want to argue with canon material? Firstly its been proven time andagain, GAME MECHANICS are not canon. And did you read the damm comic? it showed how devastating his force drain was. Trust me read that and it does far more damagae then even revans force storm in POD

And it does not matters that how powerful Nihilus's Drain is, because Revan's Storm can also kill large number of opponents in a single blow and Nihilus will be killed, if he gets struck by it.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Force immunity is only a resistance get it? It does not completely defend against a force drain, Not to a scale of nihilus

Originally posted by Kadesh
He only had ample time to strike. And its far faster than any other power other than force lightning.

he had got sufficient time to use his Drain to over-power Sion, given Sion's stupidity. Many "Force Powers" can strike with similar speeds.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Ir has been argued several times that yoda is on par with revan and if yoda can be sent flying, i dont see why revan cant, O and btw, revan could just use TK and lift revan and start bashing him on the floor, certeinly no "resistance"

And I did not understand your second comment.

Originally posted by Kadesh
You are such a n00b(no offence) Firstly you keep using gameplay mechanics as a source which arent canon. The only sith who has proven to have used force wave is Vader himself. And no, drain is even quicker, as proven by kreia

I have not used any Game Mechanics in my arguements. And you can't say that only Vader knows "Force Wave". This is pure ignorance.

"Force Wave" does its job within blink of an eye, which you seem to forget.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um firstly you cant sense nihilus when he is coming, none of the hundreds of jedis could all whom combined can wtf over power revan . And going near nihilus is a death trap, especially when he hungers

Those hundreds of Jedi were inside a planet and Nihilus was looming far above them in outer-space, so it was obvious that they could not sense his presence.

Originally posted by Kadesh
No it doesnt,What if naga used asaber instead? it would be alot faster am i correct? He would over power revan in a strength to strength match

Originally posted by Kadesh
No but he blew up a star with his amulet alone. And he can wipe out revan with amulet blasts

Originally posted by Kadesh
Are you blind or anything? Firstly ajunta as a spirit has never been able to kill anybody nor even get out of his tomb

Originally posted by Kadesh
Secondly nadd was powerful enough to attempt to KILL some one HALFWAY across the galaxy, do you know how much power it shows about nadd? Ajunta may have been powerful in his original form but we have no idea how. But we have a brief idea of how powerful nadd is

And by you loigc, he could wipe his Jedi and Sith opponents in half-way accross the galaxy with ease, which would make him the most powerful Sith Lord in the Star Wars Saga, which is not true.

Firstly stop acting like a good debator when you defy canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Now, you have changed your position.

First, you were telling me that "Force Drain" power can't be defended against and now suddenly you agree that normal "Force Drain" power can be defended against. I told you before that Malak and Bandon could use "Force Drain" power on any opponent but you asked me to prove it. Then I gave you an example and now you have suddenly changed your position. Kadesh! learn to debate properly before jumping in it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Nihilus's Force Drain is no-doubt far more powerful and it would be a possibility that it cannot be defended against until an opponent knows how to remove himself/herself from the force. But I have told you that I will wait for Nihilus's profile in "Star Wars Databank" for final verification on this point, so their is no need to tell me again and again about how powerful Nihilus's Drain is. I already know about it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So in this case, what ever happens in KOTOR II is also non-canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Kadesh, stop making lame arguements in a debate. I gave you an example that show us that a normal "Force Drain" attack can be defended against. Now, how Revan defends against it? we are not sure but he faced opponents that knew this power and he managed to kill those opponents because he knew how to defend against such an attack. This logic is not difficult to understand.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That fight between Bandon and Revan took place and it is canon. And Bandon knew "Force Drain" and he used it in the fight but he lost. Their is a valid reason behind this and I have explained it already.
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[QUOTE=7812444]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Some powers shown in the games are already canon and have already been demonstrated by Jedi of PT Era. A few examples are: Force Push, Light Saber Throw and Force Lightning. So, stop making BS arguements.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Malak had those Jedi captured and kept them in "Stasis" for a reason that I have described before. If those Jedi were in such a bad shape, then Malak would not be able to benefit from their energy after Draining them.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

What the hell does Darth Bandon's fight has to do with "Game Mechanics"? Can you give me some good explanation?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That shows your weakness. Calling others to your aid won't solve any issues. I am not using any Game Mechanics to aid my arguements but I am trying to explain my points by using some logic that you fail to understand..

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And it does not matters that how powerful Nihilus's Drain is, because Revan's Storm can also kill large number of opponents in a single blow and Nihilus will be killed, if he gets struck by it.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have told you before that "Force Immunity" is a logical representation of counter-measures of a Jedi in the games. We don't know that how powerful those counter-measures can be.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

he had got sufficient time to use his Drain to over-power Sion, given Sion's stupidity. Many "Force Powers" can strike with similar speeds.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Yoda used his "Force Push" to counter Sidious's Lightning attack but it back-fired on both and they both went flying. It has nothing to do with Revan's counter against Nihilus's Force Push.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Your pathetic level of understanding a logic is showing that you are much bigger noob then me.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have not used any Game Mechanics in my arguements. And you can't say that only Vader knows "Force Wave". This is pure ignorance.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

"Force Wave" does its job within blink of an eye, which you seem to forget.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

This is another BS logic from you. What makes you think that you can't sense Nihilus if you are in the same area, where Nihilus is also present?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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And by you loigc, he could wipe his Jedi and Sith opponents in half-way accross the galaxy with ease, which would make him the most powerful Sith Lord in the Star Wars Saga, which is not true.

Kadesh, why would a force shield have the ability to defend against Malak's drain, but not have the ability to defend against Nihilus'?

Because the mastery of nihilus drain is extraoridinary and it is just not like any other force drain. Remember that his drain is draining the force it self and the life of the victim. Malaks drain is only draining the victims life. Proof that he consumes the force itself? Kreia and visas, Both stated he consumed the force. And what does it take to create a shield? The force does right?

Malaks drain should be referred to life drain.

People get confused between life drain and force drain, Technically its the same. But some differences i think(i might be wrong) Force drain drains both life and the force while life drain just sucks life.

Where the **** is your evidence for this crap? As far as we know,
Malak and Nihilus' force drain are exactly the same by nature, that is draining the force out of a sentient being, the only difference is that Nihilus' raw power is much greater from what we know, however this would only make it harder to defend against, not requiring a different kind of defence.

And what the feck is this about a force shield not working against a force drain because it is made of the force, and so a force drain would be able to drain it? By this logic, a force crush wouldn't be defended against by a force shield either, because force crush 'crushes' the force, and therefor the shield will just be crushed. Or force push will just 'push' the shield out the way.

Seriously, no. That's not how these things work, force drain can't just drain anything made up of the force, by this logic, he would be able to drain any solid piece of matter, as everything in the SW Galaxy is made up of the force. We've only ever seen it be displayed on sentient beings.

FTR, I think Nihilus may just be the 2nd most powerful sith there is, but I am seriously not agreeing with your logic about the force drain, it seems you might have just become a Nihilus fanboy Kadesh.

Firstly learn how to debate, Secondly go play kotor2 because what you are giving is bull shit

Originally posted by Crado
Where the **** is your evidence for this crap? As far as we know,
Malak and Nihilus' force drain are exactly the same by nature, that is draining the force out of a sentient being, the only difference is that Nihilus' raw power is much greater from what we know, however this would only make it harder to defend against, not requiring a different kind of defence.

Originally posted by Crado

And what the feck is this about a force shield not working against a force drain because it is made of the force, and so a force drain would be able to drain it? By this logic, a force crush wouldn't be defended against by a force shield either, because force crush 'crushes' the force, and therefor the shield will just be crushed. Or force push will just 'push' the shield out the way.

Originally posted by Crado

Seriously, no. That's not how these things work, force drain can't just drain anything made up of the force, by this logic, he would be able to drain any solid piece of matter, as everything in the SW Galaxy is made up of the force. We've only ever seen it be displayed on sentient beings.

Originally posted by Crado

FTR, I think Nihilus may just be the 2nd most powerful sith there is, but I am seriously not agreeing with your logic about the force drain, it seems you might have just become a Nihilus fanboy Kadesh.

And by the way, are you a sock?

i reconmend you read this
Darth Nihilus, a living vacuum, consumed the Force from Force-sensitives in order to stay alive. He even consumed entire Force-sensitive planets. Besides his terrible hunger, Nihilus wielded a lightsaber, and fought in an aggressive one-handed style.

and this

Although Nihilus was a slave to his hunger, he showed more power in the force than any other Force-sensitive being. A measure of this power would be the fact that he used the Force to lift his flagship from its orbit around the planet of Malachor V, and kept it together even though it was not space-worthy.

Firstly learn how to debate,

Kadesh, you are somewhat unanimously the worst debater in the SW section, so please don't **** around about debating with me.

Secondly go play kotor2 because what you are giving is bull shit. What you have just said is a total truck load of shit, Did you even listen to what kreia said in kotor2?

I don't need to play KotOR 2, I have already done so twice, and I (unlike you) fully understood everything about it. Your posts are displaying a clear misunderstanding of the obvious, and it leads me to actually believe that you are younger than 13 years of age (that's being generous, I'd honestly say that you must be around 10 with the lack of intelligence you have been displaying), and therefor should be banned from this forum.

That he CONSUMES THE FORCE through his techniques? Nihilus consumes the force

Go read wookie to confirm it yourself.

Wookie ain't confirming shit, jackass! Also, it's nice to see that you're using wookie as a source, that must explain your lack of understanding.

Did you hear the word properly? I said that he DRAINS THE FORCE from force sensitives.

Now here's where you're not making sense. Wasn't your whole argument that Nihilus drains the force, period? Make up your mind, jackass!

And no crush cant "crush" the force and yes a shield can block force crush and push. Do you know what does consume the force mean? And do you know how to do it?

I'm going to be blunt with you Kadesh. What's happening here is that you're using your inept understanding of the English language, and incorrectly applying it. You seriously don't know wtf you're talking about, I can't say it simpler.

In fact, my earlier analogy was spot on. If a force shield would be useless against a force drain because it is made up of the force, and therefor the force drain just drains the force out of the shield thereby nullifying it, a force shield would also be useless against a force crush, because the shield is made out of the force, and the crush just crushes it.
^See how silly your logic is?

You drain the force. Why do you think kreia would say he mastered the greatest of the sith teachings if it is just a simple life drain

Perhaps she was wrong, perhaps she was exaggerating, perhaps she was indirectly referring to his raw command over it. And please, provide the exact quote!

where every body knows it?

Everybody knows it? Name 10 people, Kadesh!

Because his drain is very similar to marka ragnos scepter where it Drains the force.

Have you even played Jedi Academy? Do you know anything about Ragnos' sceptor? You're arguing out of ignorance, Kadesh!

So what i have said is right

You seriously need to familiarise yourself with the TAK. Seriously...

Do you know what draining the force from a person mean? it means that he drains the force around the person and his life as well.

Key word = from, not around. It drains the force from inside of the person, by definition.

And dont get shit wrong, He drains the force from living things, not solid non living beings

You do realise that you keep on contradicting yourself, right? First you say that he can drain the force, period. Now you're saying from just sentient beings. Make up your ****ing mind!

And these strawmans that don't make sense are really starting to get annoying, quit it!

Anyways, you clearly missed my whole point. By your logic (original logic, anyways lol), if Nihilus can drain the force from a shield, he can also drain it from solid matter, aswell. No!

Fanboy? No im argueing with some one whos argueing against whats canon. So just because i argue about nihilus means im a fanboy?

No, it's because you're showing extreme bias towards him. And please don't say that I'm arguing against canon, Advent already made you look silly when you said the same thing about Boba Fett, if I were you, I would simply not use big words like canon until you properly learn how to use them, K?

How bout i call you a hard core fanboy of crado just because he is your kmc name?

I am, I think Crado's a sexy beast, and that he could pwn anyone in the SW universe. However, that's not an issue because I have never argued for Crado, so I'm sorry, but you lose.

And by the way, are you a sock?

WTF is a sock!? And please, stay on topic.

i reconmend you read this
Darth Nihilus, a living vacuum, consumed the Force from Force-sensitives in order to stay alive. He even consumed entire Force-sensitive planets. Besides his terrible hunger, Nihilus wielded a lightsaber, and fought in an aggressive one-handed style.

And this is why you shouldn't use wiki as a source, you dumbass!

Although Nihilus was a slave to his hunger, he showed more power in the force than any other Force-sensitive being. A measure of this power would be the fact that he used the Force to lift his flagship from its orbit around the planet of Malachor V, and kept it together even though it was not space-worthy.

I agree that NMan is powerful (though I don't agree with your use of wiki), but did you not ****ING read my earlier post? I was arguing against your logic, and NMAN's drain, not how powerful he is!

Originally posted by Crado
Kadesh, you are somewhat unanimously the worst debater in the SW section, so please don't **** around about debating with me.

Originally posted by Crado

I don't need to play KotOR 2, I have already done so twice, and I (unlike you) fully understood everything about it. Your posts are displaying a clear misunderstanding of the obvious, and it leads me to actually believe that you are younger than 13 years of age (that's being generous, I'd honestly say that you must be around 10 with the lack of intelligence you have been displaying), and therefor should be banned from this forum.

Originally posted by Crado

Consume? Drain? Same difference. However she is clearly referring to the ability of force drain, that is the ability to drain the force out of a sentient being. The exact same description can be applied to Malak's force drain. Nihilus has never shown the ability to drain the force that is not inside a sentient being, to argue that it is different in nature to Malak's force drain is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Crado

Wookie ain't confirming shit, jackass! Also, it's nice to see that you're using wookie as a source, that must explain your lack of understanding.
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Originally posted by Crado

Now here's where you're not making sense. Wasn't your whole argument that Nihilus drains the force, period? Make up your mind, jackass!.

Originally posted by Crado

In fact, my earlier analogy was spot on. If a force shield would be useless against a force drain because it is made up of the force, and therefor the force drain just drains the force out of the shield thereby nullifying it, a force shield would also be useless against a force crush, because the shield is made out of the force, and the crush just crushes it.
^See how silly your logic is?
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Originally posted by Crado

Perhaps she was wrong, perhaps she was exaggerating, perhaps she was indirectly referring to his raw command over it. And please, provide the exact quote!.

Originally posted by Crado

Have you even played Jedi Academy? Do you know anything about Ragnos' sceptor? You're arguing out of ignorance, Kadesh!

Originally posted by Crado

You do realise that you keep on contradicting yourself, right? First you say that he can drain the force, period. Now you're saying from just sentient beings. Make up your ****ing mind!

Originally posted by Crado

Anyways, you clearly missed my whole point. By your logic (original logic, anyways lol), if Nihilus can drain the force from a shield, he can also drain it from solid matter, aswell. No!

Originally posted by Crado

I am, I think Crado's a sexy beast, and that he could pwn anyone in the SW universe. However, that's not an issue because I have never argued for Crado, so I'm sorry, but you lose.

Originally posted by Crado

And this is why you shouldn't use wiki as a source, you [b]dumbass![/B]

Originally posted by Crado

I agree that NMan is powerful (though I don't agree with your use of wiki), but did you not ****ING read my earlier post? I was arguing against your logic, and NMAN's drain, not how powerful he is!

By the way, reported for trolling

Lastly you better think before you say something stupid.

You completely dont know what does "Drain the force" mean and you want to argue against something which is canon?

"Crush" is targeting towards the victime, Drain the force means draining the force FROM FORCE SENSITIVES, [HINT] (the force)
And crush is to KILL the oponent NOT "CRUSH" the force,

Get that in your thick skull and accept it

And you think that wiki is lieing about his TK? Then play the game again, It stated he PULLED the ship from orbit, And that visas and tobin stated he HELD the ship together with his will.

My advise is just to ignore Crado, Kadesh. He's a sock and going to be banned anyways, as soon as I can get a global's attention.

Who wants to explain the term "sock" to me?? Anyone?

Like a sock puppet, a fake character. They make a new account, like if they've been banned they make another account though they are not allowed.

At least, that's the way I see it.

Originally posted by Captain REX
My advise is just to ignore Crado, Kadesh. He's a sock and going to be banned anyways, as soon as I can get a global's attention.

K... by reading your messages... I have came to this conclusion...
1. Revan( Knew everything of the Dark Side, more powerful even then Ragnos)
2. Luke
3. Malak( powered by the Star Forge)/Bane
4. Exar Kun
5. Sidious
6. Yoda
7. Vader
8. Obi-Wan/Mace Windu
9. Ki'Adi
10. Exile

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
K... by reading your messages... I have came to this conclusion...
1. Revan( Knew everything of the Dark Side, more powerful even then Ragnos)
2. Luke
3. Malak( powered by the Star Forge)/Bane
4. Exar Kun
5. Sidious
6. Yoda
7. Vader
8. Obi-Wan/Mace Windu
9. Ki'Adi
10. Exile

Originally posted by kamikz
Like a sock puppet, a fake character. They make a new account, like if they've been banned they make another account though they are not allowed.

At least, that's the way I see it.

Thanks 😄