Top 10 force users ( Excludes the Ancienth Sith )

It's Sion by the way.

For some reason I always spell it Scion . . . pardon the habit.

And being able to hold your body together and thus withstand any physical attack is far greater then anything Sidious can do imo

I agree that it takes intense will power. But you believe that that ability is superior to a person who can literally annihilate entire fleets with a single Force-attack?

I am sorry, but in terms of destruction or Force-usage, Sion (spelled it right! 😛) has not done anything on par with Sidious. Thus, it leads me to believe that Sion is no where near on Sidious's level in terms of Force attacks.

, and also limits the ways in which he can actually hurt and possibly kill Sion.

True. But if you can vaporize fleets, you can vaporize the atomic structure of a human.

And I know that palpatine could possibly do morichro pr a force drain or something

Which is the point. The Exile defeated Sion by manipulating him. Palpatine is probably the best manipulator that we have ever seen. He is, at least, on par with Kreia herself. Combine that with his phenomenal Force ability, and I don't see how Sion can withstand him.

, but the fact that Sion is able to hold his body together with his anger chanelled by the dark side of the force leads me to believe that his will is so strong that he would be able to resist pretty much anything that Sidious can throw at him.

He has intense will power and hatred, to be sure. But will power does not necessarily translate to Force power. Sion cannot handle a Force Storm.

You can also see how much of a badass he is in a couple of cutscenes, and his ferociousness, physical strength and agility was immense.

He certainly possesses superior physical strength to Sidious, but Sidious (by DE) was immensely agile and ferocious, being described as "moving faster than the eye can see".

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I am sorry, but in terms of destruction or Force-usage, Sion (spelled it right! 😛) has not done anything on par with Sidious. Thus, it leads me to believe that Sion is no where near on Sidious's level in terms of Force attacks.[/B][/QUOTE]

There is more to power and strength in the force then just raw power.

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True. But if you can vaporize fleets, you can vaporize the atomic structure of a human.[/B][/QUOTE]

The point is that Sion would be able to simply hold his body together and thus would not be affected. face it, that it the whole concept behind his technique.

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Which is the point. The Exile defeated Sion by manipulating him. Palpatine is probably the best manipulator that we have ever seen. He is, at least, on par with Kreia herself. Combine that with his phenomenal Force ability, and I don't see how Sion can withstand him.[/B][/QUOTE]

The Exile was only able to break his will because of Traya. Sion just couldn't live knowing that Traya loved The Exile more than anything in the world. Palpatine would not be able to break his will. And he's not even that great a manipulator. His attempt at turning Luke to the darkside in ROTJ was simply pathetic.

[/B][/QUOTE] He has intense will power and hatred, to be sure. But will power does not necessarily translate to Force power. Sion cannot handle a Force Storm.[/B][/QUOTE]

I've already explained how he can.

[/B][/QUOTE] He certainly possesses superior physical strength to Sidious, but Sidious (by DE) was immensely agile and ferocious, being described as "moving faster than the eye can see". [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm sure Sion was as deadly. The cutscene where he beats the crap out of Traya makes me believe this

I was also thinking, Sion probably had the ability to create force storms as powerful as Palpatine's because in The Book of Anger, Palpatine reveals that there are two essential requirements to produce a devastating force storm, willpower (need i say anything more?) and anger (channelled via the force), and it seems as if Sion possessed probably more anger then Sidious as he seemed to despise the jedi with frightening hate, even more so then sidious. He didn't even want power as most sith do, his only goal was to destroy the jedi. However palpatine could have possibly hid his anger and deep emotions well...
But hypothetically if sion had access to the same knowledge that Sidious had, there is no reason imo that he couldn't possibly replicate palpatine's feat, but even more frighteningly.

There is more to power and strength in the force then just raw power.

Sorry. Kotor II has not displayed Sion using anything on the level of a Force Storm. He has not displayed anything nearing Palpatine's level of power.

The point is that Sion would be able to simply hold his body together and thus would not be affected. face it, that it the whole concept behind his technique.

His body has never been destroyed down to sheer atoms now has it?

The Exile was only able to break his will because of Traya. Sion just couldn't live knowing that Traya loved The Exile more than anything in the world. Palpatine would not be able to break his will. And he's not even that great a manipulator. His attempt at turning Luke to the darkside in ROTJ was simply pathetic.

This is where I draw the line. You're saying the Sith Lord who managed to ascend to the highest authority in the galaxy, the man who manipulated the Clone Wars to exterminate the Jedi, the man who enacted the final revenge of the Sith, and the man who ultimately brought about the most powerful military regime in the galaxy's history is not that great of a manipulator?

This is pathetic.

I've lost all room for civilty with you. You're completely beyond reason.

I've already explained how he can.

No, you have not.

I'm sure Sion was as deadly. The cutscene where he beats the crap out of Traya makes me believe this.

I don't care what you're sure of. Without proof, you have nothing.

I was also thinking, Sion probably had the ability to create force storms as powerful as Palpatine's

You're now making baseless assumptions. Disgusting.

because in The Book of Anger, Palpatine reveals that there are two essential requirements to produce a devastating force storm, willpower (need i say anything more?) and anger (channelled via the force), and it seems as if Sion possessed probably more anger then Sidious as he seemed to despise the jedi with frightening hate, even more so then sidious.

Doesn't mean jack. He may have had the potential to do it, or even the capability, but - as we've seen with Anakin - potential doesn't mean anything in the current situation.

He didn't even want power as most sith do, his only goal was to destroy the jedi. However palpatine could have possibly hid his anger and deep emotions well...

Could have possibly . . . ? Well, duh! Considering how Palpatine, despite being a Sith Lord, managed to do all the crap he did in the PT had to be good at hiding his emotions.

But hypothetically if sion had access to the same knowledge that Sidious had, there is no reason imo that he couldn't possibly replicate palpatine's feat, but even more frighteningly.

Baseless assumptions, once again. You're assuming that Sion could make this ability, and now you're assuming that he did it on a level even greater than Sidious's own?

No. Sorry.

You see Escape, you are getting it all wrong. I don't know if you're tired or something or slightly dopey in any way but I was not arguing that Sion possibly produced a force storm sometime during KOTOR1 and 2. I was arguing that Sion possibly had the ability to do so. It was just speculation. I was just saying that seeing as Palpatine confirms that in his Book of Anger, the two things needed to produce devastating force storms is a strong willpower and deep anger channelled through the force, then it's possible that Sion had the ability to perform one (seeing as his willpower is arguably the strongest in the whole star wars saga and his hatred and anger seems to be far greater than Sidious'😉 but just lacked the knowledge into how to do so. Why is that such a crazy thing to believe?

'His body has never been destroyed down to sheer atoms now has it?'

You seem to be unable to comprehend the nature of his technique. He holds his body together via the force, he doesn't simply regenerate like someone like Durge. This means that his willpower is so great that no matter how great, painfull or whatever a physical attack can be, it will not be able to physically affect Sion's body. Sidious' best bet is to mentally attack him.

Speculation, indeed. Furthermore, if Sion possessed the ability to perform Force Storms, he would have done so during KotoR when he was hunting down the Jedi.

He doesn't. So stop trying to "speculate" that he had more power than what was shown.

You seriously do lack good reading comprehension my friend. I was speculating that with the right knowledge, Sion easily has the ability to produce force storms with more devastating power then Sidious. Why is that so hard to believe?He possesses the two requirements that sidious states in his 'Book of Anger' are needed to produce these force storms, but to a frightening degree. However, he seriously didn't have the right knowledge and never learnt the technique...

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
You seriously do lack good reading comprehension my friend. I was speculating that with the right knowledge, Sion easily has the ability to produce force storms with more devastating power then Sidious. Why is that so hard to believe?He possesses the two requirements that sidious states in his 'Book of Anger' are needed to produce these force storms, but to a frightening degree. However, he seriously didn't have the right knowledge and never learnt the technique...

You cannot change SW to what you think it should be, thats just ridiculous.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
You cannot change SW to what you think it should be, thats just ridiculous.

Not for him. You should see some of the things he says.

Tier One:

1. LOTF Luke Skywalker.
2. Darth Nihilus.
3. Darth Sion.

Tier Two:

4. Exar Kun.
5. DE Sidious.
6. Darth Bane.
7. Darth Traya.

Tier 3:

8. Darth Revan.
9. LOTF Kyp Durron.
10. Ulic Quel-Droma.

Obviously Luke is #1. Then either Kyp or Yoda..

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
Darth Nihilus
Luke Skywalker
Anakin Skywalker
Exile
Marka Ragnos
Exar Kun
Revan
Yoda
Kreia
Darth Sidious

Marka is an Ancient and he'd Be 2nd 😄

MyList:
1 NIHILUS
2 Luke
3 Exar
4 Yoda
5 Revan
6 Sidious
7 Traya
8 Vodo
9 Malak
10 Dooku

I'm sorry Switch Exar and Yoda:
1 NIHILUS
2 Luke
3 Yoda
4 Exar
5 Revan
6 Sidious
7 Traya
8 Vodo
9 Malak
10 Dooku

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Obviously Luke is #1. Then either Kyp or Yoda..

Weren't you just arguing that Exar>Yoda.

Hey Nebaris, read the topic bro.. And if you can't I'll tell you what it says. "Excludes Ancient Sith". Exar Kun was the last of the ancient sith, therefore he is excluded.

DN Luke is the best version of Luke.. I don't know wtf Legacy of the Force Luke is considering the first book just came out but I imagine they made him an even bigger force god. Exar Kun shouldn't be in it, and neither should Nihilus, since he only displays his force drain as anything impressive.. So top 5 would be um..

1. Luke
2. Sidious
3. Kyp
4. Yoda
5. Nomi? Who knows.

lmao, you dumbass, Exar kun wasn't an ancient sith. Please don't be dumb td.

Well technically he was. He was crowned as a sith by Marka Ragnos, who was called The Dark Lord of the Sith of the ancient sith, he was also the last sith before Bane's order was he not???