Originally posted by Tshern
I meant that they would fight with negated speed difference so that Supes would go blow to blow with Hulk without dodging. And yeah, I know Supes would still win. I apologize the incoherency of my previous post.
Without the speed difference? Well, than it's more even. But it's silly to take away all of supermans powers in order to make the match "fair" if you ask me.
So, I think if superman decided to go mano a mano with Hulk without the speedd advantage the fight would probably be a stalematein my opinion. I'll tell you why. Their strength levels are roughly equal and that's being generous to Hulk. Superman and Hulk both have ridiculous feats to their credit. The Hulks regenerative properties give him something but I've never seen Supermans flesh charred anyway. I'd guess they are about equal in durability. Maybe Superman gets a very slight advantage. Fighting techniques between the two aren't exactly similiar. Superman is probably the better fighter of the two considering mindless or savage Hulk pretty huch only rely on throwing haymakers. So, although Superman seems to have more advantages I'll give the Hulk the benefit of the doubt and make it a stalemate.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Without the speed difference? Well, than it's more even. But it's silly to take away all of supermans powers in order to make the match "fair" if you ask me.So, I think if superman decided to go mano a mano with Hulk without the speedd advantage the fight would probably be a stalematein my opinion. I'll tell you why. Their strength levels are roughly equal and that's being generous to Hulk. Superman and Hulk both have ridiculous feats to their credit. The Hulks regenerative properties give him something but I've never seen Supermans flesh charred anyway. I'd guess they are about equal in durability. Maybe Superman gets a very slight advantage. Fighting techniques between the two aren't exactly similiar. Superman is probably the better fighter of the two considering mindless or savage Hulk pretty huch only rely on throwing haymakers. So, although Superman seems to have more advantages I'll give the Hulk the benefit of the doubt and make it a stalemate.
Hulk's strength IS greater than Supes. Superman has limit. Hulk doesn't.
Originally posted by samishe
Hulk's strength IS greater than Supes. Superman has limit. Hulk doesn't.
Hulk's strength is NOT greater than Supes .....what it has is the POTENTIAL to be greater than Superman, that is if the Hulk is given sufficient time to achieve that level in the first place.
There is a huge difference between being something and having the potential to be something.
For instance China has the potential to be a bigger world power than the United States.
However that is only potential (and many things could, and probably will, happen to derail such an eventuality .....particularly when it comes to socio-demographics).
China has the potential ....but that is all that it has: potential. The US is still the top-dog in the pound.
Originally posted by samishe
Hulk's strength IS greater than Supes. Superman has limit. Hulk doesn't.
Hulk's initial strength isn't greater than Superman's. Like I said before they both have great strength feats making them roughly equal in that category. Hulk has the Potential for unlimited strength but that also depends on how long the fight goes on for. My guess is that each have the ability to score a knockout but due to his physical durability and greater endurance I think Superman has a greater chance at doing it. But to give Hulk the benefit of the doubt I'll speculate and say he has greater strength, but not by much. And again I'll give Hulk the benefit of the doubt and say it's a stalemate.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hulk's strength is NOT greater than Supes .....what it has is the POTENTIAL to be greater than Superman, that is if the Hulk is given sufficient time to achieve that level in the first place.
There is a huge difference between being something and having the potential to be something.For instance China has the potential to be a bigger world power than the United States.
However that is only potential (and many things could, and probably will, happen to derail such an eventuality .....particularly when it comes to socio-demographics).
China has the potential ....but that is all that it has: potential. The US is still the top-dog in the pound.
You're comparing two different things.
You say that during the fight Hulk won't be able to reach that level of strength that's greater than Superman's. I'm saying that he could reach strength level greater than Supes in fact.
Why can't Hulk beat Superman ?
Ok let's start with the very basics of this question , the combatants.
Hulk- Dr. Robert Bruce Banner is a military scientist working on developing a new type of weapon called a "Gamma Bomb". As the bomb is being tested, however, Bruce notices that a teenager, Rick Jones, has driven his hot rod onto the test site. Banner leaves the safety of his bunker, grabs the young man, and throws him into a nearby ditch, but the bomb explodes before Bruce himself can get to safety. As a result, he absorbs an enormous dose of gamma radiation, and this is what causes him to transform into the rampaging Hulk
Superman- Rocketed away from his alien home world as a child the baby Kal-el was found by the loving kent's. Raised under their care he grew to become Superman , the purveyor of truth justice and the all American way !
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Now the powers
Hulk's Powers - Hulks initial (and most well known) power is the ability to get stronger (and usually grow slightly in size) when he gets angry. He usually starts off at around class 100 throughout most of his incarnations (upgrades withstanding ) and gets stronger as his rage increases . Of course this takes time which also depends upon his current rage level.
He also possess a regeneration factor which dwarfs most known to mankind , his feats including having immunity to AIDS and regrowing most of his muscle and skin from nothing. He can perceive ghosts and other magical objects that would usually be hidden from ordinary eyes .
Finally he can leap extraordinary distances , his leg muscles allowing him to leap miles in a single bound. His speed and reaction time is also particularly high in the 70-100mph range , but only in a full on sprint.
Superman’s powers - Superman's solar charged body endows him with a unknown amount of strength , their is no known current end to his strength ; although a rough estimate could be around 12,000,000,000,000 tons . Although this could be wrong , it can also be augmented by what is know as a 'sun dip' wherein superman flies close/into the sun . The solar rays increasing him to exponential strength levels for a temporary amount of time.
Through sheer force of will superman can cause himself to fly , his current top speed has been estimated at four times light speed , although ( again) he could go faster.
Superman’s land speed is currently unknown but he can keep up with speedster 'The flash' with ease before he (the flash) goes into overdrive.
Superman can blow out air with the force of a hurricane , tossing people around like rag-dolls . He can also compress his breath turning it into a icy torrent which freezes his enemies in a casing of solid ice.
Superman can also activate 'X-ray vision' , allowing him to see through any items (Excluding lead) , accompanying his 'X-ray vision' is his 'Heat Vision' which allows him to fire a compressed beam of heat at his enemies, this can be adjusted by superman himself to be thin enough to bypass a person itself or wide enough to encompass an entire planet , he can also vary the heat from a mild stinging sensation to the very core of a star itself.
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Ok so far it's
Superman -1
Hulk-0
In the power department.
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Fighting ability - Hulk
Hulk is not a particularly good fighter , usually using what could be considered a brawlers 'style' . Akin to a Child's tantrum it usually focuses more on blows with the fists and arms then any other body part.
Superman’s fighting ability - Superman has some knowledge of fighting skill , having been taught by batman (I'm not 100 % on this ) and has been trained by mongul. Although superman ( much like hulk) usually relies on his superior strength to win his battles.
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Intelligence :
Hulk- Hulks intelligence is usually average , his alter ego having most of the intelligence .
Superman - Superman’s intelligence is quite high , with him usually understanding a decent amount of alien technology and science. His memory and mind is also like a giant computer able to store vast amounts of information with relative ease.
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Superman : 2
Hulk : 0
It's not looking good for the green goliath
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Experience :
Hulk: Hulk has fought a myriad of creatures and begins ( usually from earth) most of them are irradiated in some form or another. They usually use other forms of attack since a 'head on' collision with hulk is never a good thing due to hulks overwhelming strength.
Superman : Superman has to deal with a near infinite villains list, with extra terrestrials and humans among them. Much like hulk his opponents usually go around him in a different manner , not attacking the man of steel directly.
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Now with all this overwhelming evidence i believe that it shows why superman can dominate hulk in a battle. Speedblitz or not.
Re: Why can't Hulk beat Superman ?
Originally posted by grey fox
Ok let's start with the very basics of this question , the combatants.Hulk- Dr. Robert Bruce Banner is a military scientist working on developing a new type of weapon called a "Gamma Bomb". As the bomb is being tested, however, Bruce notices that a teenager, Rick Jones, has driven his hot rod onto the test site. Banner leaves the safety of his bunker, grabs the young man, and throws him into a nearby ditch, but the bomb explodes before Bruce himself can get to safety. As a result, he absorbs an enormous dose of gamma radiation, and this is what causes him to transform into the rampaging Hulk
Superman- Rocketed away from his alien home world as a child the baby Kal-el was found by the loving kent's. Raised under their care he grew to become Superman , the purveyor of truth justice and the all American way !
___________________________
Now the powers
Hulk's Powers - Hulks initial (and most well known) power is the ability to get stronger (and usually grow slightly in size) when he gets angry. He usually starts off at around class 100 throughout most of his incarnations (upgrades withstanding ) and gets stronger as his rage increases . Of course this takes time which also depends upon his current rage level.
He also possess a regeneration factor which dwarfs most known to mankind , his feats including having immunity to AIDS and regrowing most of his muscle and skin from nothing. He can perceive ghosts and other magical objects that would usually be hidden from ordinary eyes .
Finally he can leap extraordinary distances , his leg muscles allowing him to leap miles in a single bound. His speed and reaction time is also particularly high in the 70-100mph range , but only in a full on sprint.
Superman’s powers - Superman's solar charged body endows him with a unknown amount of strength , their is no known current end to his strength ; although a rough estimate could be around 12,000,000,000,000 tons . Although this could be wrong , it can also be augmented by what is know as a 'sun dip' wherein superman flies close/into the sun . The solar rays increasing him to exponential strength levels for a temporary amount of time.
Through sheer force of will superman can cause himself to fly , his current top speed has been estimated at four times light speed , although ( again) he could go faster.
Superman’s land speed is currently unknown but he can keep up with speedster 'The flash' with ease before he (the flash) goes into overdrive.
Superman can blow out air with the force of a hurricane , tossing people around like rag-dolls . He can also compress his breath turning it into a icy torrent which freezes his enemies in a casing of solid ice.
Superman can also activate 'X-ray vision' , allowing him to see through any items (Excluding lead) , accompanying his 'X-ray vision' is his 'Heat Vision' which allows him to fire a compressed beam of heat at his enemies, this can be adjusted by superman himself to be thin enough to bypass a person itself or wide enough to encompass an entire planet , he can also vary the heat from a mild stinging sensation to the very core of a star itself.
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Ok so far it's
Superman -1
Hulk-0In the power department.
________________________________________
Fighting ability - Hulk
Hulk is not a particularly good fighter , usually using what could be considered a brawlers 'style' . Akin to a Child's tantrum it usually focuses more on blows with the fists and arms then any other body part.
Superman’s fighting ability - Superman has some knowledge of fighting skill , having been taught by batman (I'm not 100 % on this ) and has been trained by mongul. Although superman ( much like hulk) usually relies on his superior strength to win his battles.
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Intelligence :
Hulk- Hulks intelligence is usually average , his alter ego having most of the intelligence .
Superman - Superman’s intelligence is quite high , with him usually understanding a decent amount of alien technology and science. His memory and mind is also like a giant computer able to store vast amounts of information with relative ease.
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Superman : 2
Hulk : 0
It's not looking good for the green goliath
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Experience :
Hulk: Hulk has fought a myriad of creatures and begins ( usually from earth) most of them are irradiated in some form or another. They usually use other forms of attack since a 'head on' collision with hulk is never a good thing due to hulks overwhelming strength.
Superman : Superman has to deal with a near infinite villains list, with extra terrestrials and humans among them. Much like hulk his opponents usually go around him in a different manner , not attacking the man of steel directly.
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Now with all this overwhelming evidence i believe that it shows why superman can dominate hulk in a battle. Speedblitz or not.
12,000,000,000,000 tones?? Wikepedia says different.