Originally posted by thetruepower
You're not on my level Illustrious. All you do is ignore what I say so there is no reason for me to take you seriously.
That's funny, that's what's everyone been saying about you. But if it helps you sleep at night, yes, I'm not on your level, I'm several hundred rungs higher than you.
And yes, please do claim that Vodo could've beaten Kun with a lightsaber, and please do keep claiming the PT era was the greatest without any proof. It's very funny.
Originally posted by Illustrious
That's funny, that's what's everyone been saying about you. But if it helps you sleep at night, yes, I'm not on your level, I'm several hundred rungs higher than you.And yes, please do claim that Vodo could've beaten Kun with a lightsaber, and please do keep claiming the PT era was the greatest without any proof. It's very funny.
Be careful when your so high, its a long drop if you fall.
Originally posted by thetruepower
That's right Illustrious, keep on misquoting me and talking general bullshit you immature prick.
Misquoting you, I quoted your entire damn post. It was hardly worth my time.
So, in between your 10 year old bursts of anger, tell me what you've said that's worth even bothering with? All you've done is fling around speculation, and prove time and time again you don't understand basic concepts such as logic or physics.
Wow. She had access to knowledge and apparently never used that access. Then "more valuable knowledge" ? You have data from the age of the start of the Jedi Order on in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and the Jedi Archieves also basically remained intact from that time on. So where was the "more valueable knowledge" lost ? Ossus ? You want to tell me that virtually every knowledge stored on Ossus was lost by destroying Ossus - then nobody did ever learned that knowledge or passed it on ? Argumentum ad absurdum.
Oh, she never used that knowledge? That's why she was hanging out with Odan-Urr, the oldest Jedi Master we can name, during the Sith War, right? That's why he taught her the useful technique of blinding someone to the Force, right?
Yes, you can have "data" from the start of the Jedi Order on Coruscant. So what comprises this mysterious "data," Nai? May I ask how that data remained "intact" during the first rule of the Sith, a thousand years before the PT?
Oh, wait. I guess it couldn't.
Maybe you should read the comics next time. Narration and dialogue indicate that the best efforts of the Jedi to rescue the knowledge stored before the supernovae impact weren't enough.
"A thousand years of Jedi history must be packed and rescued in only a few hours. They have no time to sort or sift out the most precious items. They must take everything, and hurry... and hope." - Narrator
"The hopeless preparations have a devastating effect on those Jedi who must witness the evacuation." - Narrator
"The emergency efforts of all the Jedi can barely scratch the surface of the knowledge entombed on Ossus." -Narrator
"Not enough. Given an entire year we could not have salvaged enough. The rest will be lost forever." - Tott Doneeta
I hope I've made it glaringly obvious even to you, Nai. Most if not all of the valuable knowledge stored on Ossus was destroyed in the shockwave of the ten supernovae that consumed the planet.
Q. E. D.
Ah...that's why the Brotherhood of Darkness was founded by a Rogue Jedi that stole "one of the Sith holocrons" from the Jedi temple. Because they did only have one ?
Reading comprehension is your friend. I like how you can quote my post but not read it.
Oh, and the PT Jedi only had one Sith holocron, which they couldn't even access.
Pre-BOD Jedi are not the PT Jedi.
QED.
Yes. And this is an assumption which can only be based on the assumptions that:
Wrong, you're making a strawman argument again. It is an assumption based on Kun's known capabilities at that point in time and has little to nothing to do with Vodo.
And what "martial time" are you talking about ? The only "Sith" that has shown up in 1000 years before TOTJ was Nadd. And the only conflict we see is a six months war with some few battles. Sorry...but virtually every "major" PT Jedi has more combat and lightsaber vs lightsaber experience than the people appearing in TOTJ.
Not a martial time, huh? I guess that's why I have these:
Not a martial time, huh? I guess the Battle of Basilisk referenced here by the omniscient narrator never happened.
Not a martial time, huh? Why, then, is Qrrrl Toq a "fearless warrior?" Why does he construct Jedi armor if it's not a martial time?
Not a martial time, huh? I guess then that the Vultar Cataclysm and Gank Massacres referenced here didn't happen either!
Not a martial time, huh? I guess the Great Droid Revolution referenced here didn't happen either!
This isn't Star Wars According to Nai. You have been proven wrong. Sit down.
QED.
Nice bunch of wrong premises in your first post (see above). Boring. Next.
It's not my fault that your attention span is apparently deficient and it doesn't allow you to read the relevant sections of a relatively short thread. Vodo can beat Yoda, we have established it in said thread.
Yes. He was a master swordsmen - even before starting his Jedi training. What makes you think he's essentially much weaker as a duellist because he didn't have his force connection any longer ? There are some people who are able to give Jedi trouble in melee combat without being force users (e.g. Echani and Mandalorians). Being able to defeat a Jedi (with unknown duelling skill) in a lightsaber duel who doesn't use his force powers against you doesn't make you the lightsaber god.
By this logic, everyone and their grandmother could use lightsabers against Jedi with great effect.
So, all of a sudden because Nai says so, there's no benefit to having the Force in a lightsaber fight? I guess that precognition wasn't worth much anyway, right? How about that increased speed and strength that one can only achieve by using the Force? Didn't help much?
Pfft. Nice assertion. Groundless, and absurd in the context of the Star Wars mythos, but nice.
He doesn't ? What do you call throwing a lightsaber through a clones chest, knocking Sidious guards off, force push Sidious across the room, throw a pod at him, redirect Dooku's force lightning at Dooku then ? No attacks ? Please...
By this logic, he must have been able to conjure his own lightning and he must have been Force gripping people left and right while off-camera.
The point remains: he doesn't use offensive Force powers against his opponents. He's not going to pull a lightning bolt out of his ass and chuck it at Ulic.
Oh yes. The badass Jedi tapping into the Dark Side who obviously wasn't intelligent enough to crush Ulic with the force (since he couldn't defend against it) but instead went to challenge one of the top duellists of the era with a lightsaber. Very impressive.
Sylvar was tapping into the Dark Side inasmuch as she flew into a rage and assaulted him with her lightsaber. Your point that she "wasn't intelligent enough" to attack him with the Force is moot and irrelevant. The question is Ulic's skills with a lightsaber, which are proven out to be incredible given how he handled Sylvar.
So you again have a situation in which both opponents can gain an advantage via lightsaber combat but one (Yoda) is the superior force user. Who will win ? And if you advice people to read your posts properly please do the same. I did write "a group of Wookies with one of them carrying Yoda on his back" and not "Yoda will pwn Aleema and Ulic alone".
Yoda is the superior Force user? Based on what evidence? His Force push? His ability to hop around? I'd like you to actually establish your points with reasoning rather than just asserting them on the basis of nothing whatsoever.
The Wookies are going to be crippled by Aleema's illusions, given how prone to superstition they are. Ulic's tactical skills are nothing to sneeze at, either. The Krath win more often than not.
I thought we agreed that the personal level was a relative nonfactor compared to the tactical angle of the match, which has been on hold for what? Two days? I'm tempted to not bother with this thread anymore because of lack of focused participation.
Though I do appreciate the QED post. That was nifty.
The illusions WILL be able to take advantage of the supersticious Wookies... but shouldn't the likes of Yoda and maybe some of the "wiser" Wookies be able to see through this and warn the others?
But yeah, if the Krath get an ample opportunity to ambush the Wookies with Krath + illusions and cause a mass state of panic in one battle, I believe they can secure a win. It'd still be hard though.
I'm going to look more into this, keep me down for Yoda at this point but I might chance my mind.
Well, it depends... It's possible that Yoda can detect the nature of the illusions; of course, it's always possible he can't. It's difficult to contrast his attunement of the force with Nomi's. Also, keep in mind that similar illusions by Sadow fooled groups of jedi with relative ease. Perhaps if he's not looking for it, he won't be able to detect it.
Hm, one thing I would have to consider in favor of the Krath; since they don't benefit from the foliage cover like the Wookiees might, why not just start a total war tactic? Scortch and burn. This will drive wookiees either out into the open where illusions can be mixed in a full scale melee and tips the balance, or perhaps drive them into fixed locations for bombardment.
