dude me and GS already told everyone how much of a punk the LT is he cant do nothing to the PF he dont even know if he can beat the IG, he's a total loser he's the living jobber the greatest jobber of all perhaps even greater then darkseid although darkseid had feats to back up his coolness while the LT has no feats to back up his so called omnipatence he's a chicken trust me he cant even beat korvac who was stronger then eternity he tried and failed then said something about i got other things to do and ran away like a chump and let everyone die dont believe me read what if korvac made avengers his pawn or something like that and yes its canon any appereance of the LT is canon since there is only ONE LT and no others like other eternities there are more then one eternities and galactusi, and even more infinities, and more IG's maybe but there is only ONE LT which is sad since he's nothing special spectre would womp his butt badly hell even mister Myx might beat him depending on his full power Myx i mean.
Mider:
1) Whose Mr. Myx ? I keep trying to look him up, but i can never find enough info on him
2) Hey bro, don't get all worked up. I don't care about LT either...i mean he seems like a pretty cool character to me, but I'm not crazy about him, He's a FLAT character in my opinion, and a pretty cheesy 1 at times.
The whole Korvac story seemed to useless and almost verged on humor ....a spoiled brat with long hair gets enough power to challenge LT,,wow....it was so pointless, and then in that same issue they had LT banish current Beyonder to a secluded universe....
meanwhile, Classic Beyonder would have kicked LT's ass over and over.
If i knew enough about Spectre' , I would probably agree he'd beat Lt.
But the thing is we don't konow Lt's true power, and its not his fault. It's the writers who choose to do what with him.
For example, i really do like Darkseid, not as much as Thanos, but DS is a really interesting character, but the writers SUBMIT to Superman fanboys and make DS lose all the time to him, which is sooo cheesy and such a rip off
LT may be victim of the same PIS
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Mider:1) Whose Mr. Myx ? I keep trying to look him up, but i can never find enough info on him
2) Hey bro, don't get all worked up. I don't care about LT either...i mean he seems like a pretty cool character to me, but I'm not crazy about him, He's a FLAT character in my opinion, and a pretty cheesy 1 at times.
The whole Korvac story seemed to useless and almost verged on humor ....a spoiled brat with long hair gets enough power to challenge LT,,wow....it was so pointless, and then in that same issue they had LT banish current Beyonder to a secluded universe....
meanwhile, Classic Beyonder would have kicked LT's ass over and over.
If i knew enough about Spectre' , I would probably agree he'd beat Lt.
But the thing is we don't konow Lt's true power, and its not his fault. It's the writers who choose to do what with him.
For example, i really do like Darkseid, not as much as Thanos, but DS is a really interesting character, but the writers SUBMIT to Superman fanboys and make DS lose all the time to him, which is sooo cheesy and such a rip off
LT may be victim of the same PIS
Mr. Mxyzptlk as in the fifth dimensional imp. He has godly magical powers and is really above anything in our 4th dimensional world. He sets rules for himself in the 4d world and such. He can't come in his true form cause it's too overwhelming for mere mortals to see or some bs like that. 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
By canon she can make herself beyond physical harm and as stated is ultimately totally indestructible. By canon she had work to do and when Xorn destroyed her physical body she didnt keep herself alive as is within her ability to do so she allowed herself to die and then re-manifested a few weeks later because the Shiar awakened her early. 😄If Jean doesnt want to die then she will not die. As shown on panel she can alter her durability, as stated on panel and in bios she is ultimately completely indestructible in essence. Destroying her physical body would just release the Phoenix consciousness, its the equivalent of stripping away her outer shell. Jean is Phoenix she cant die. Your point is redundant.
I still love ya Ill. 😱
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616 Jean is simply an M-Body for Phoenix. There are other Jean's with no Phoenix connection whatsoever in the Multiverse (example: AoA Jean). 👇
Look up the abstract "Anamoly" GS. What Phoenix can do with the Jean M-Body is nothing special, or unique, to her.
And also quit deluding Mider.
edit:
For your arguement that it's stated in her bio that she can render herself invulnerable/invincible is immaterial, she's died. The same was said of Apocalypse and we see where that always leads.
Originally posted by illadelph12
👇616 Jean is simply an M-Body for Phoenix. There are other Jean's with no Phoenix connection whatsoever in the Multiverse (example: AoA Jean). 👇
Redundant point. AOA Jean DOES have a Phoenix connection as you would have found out if you'd bothered to pick up the AOA revisit released this time last year. 😉
Originally posted by illadelph12
Look up the abstract "Anamoly" GS. What Phoenix can do with the Jean M-Body is nothing special, or unique, to her.
Oooooo someones branching out in an attempt to take me down. 🙂
Not gonna happen. 😱
Anomaly is an abstract entity, it embodies a universal concept and as such its existence is dependent on the existence of the universe its connected with. Phoenix is the force that brings reality into existence big difference.
Originally posted by illadelph12
And also quit deluding Mider.
If Mider chooses to agree with my posts then thats his choice to do so all power to him.
Originally posted by illadelph12
For your arguement that it's stated in her bio that she can render herself invulnerable/invincible is immaterial, she's [b]died. The same was said of Apocalypse and we see where that always leads. [/B]
Another lame point. Its stated in her bio she can do so and her "death" never contradicted this, her "death" occurred despite the fact that she can do so, she opted not to do so. With that in mind the point still stands. Its an ability thats employable by her so it can very much be used in a versus match. The Phoenix Force cannot die, it is totally indestructible in essence and can render its physical body to be so as well. The destruction of its physical body does not equate to a death if the Phoenix is still around and can carry on the fight. As aforementioned its like stripping away an outer shell. The same may have been said of Apocalypse but such claims have not been supported on panel in any of his appearances, therefore they can be dismissed as hyperbole. Similarly his bio does NOT reflect such comments you claim to have seen. Sorry son. 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Another lame point. Its stated in her bio she can do so and her "death" never contradicted this, her "death" occurred despite the fact that she can do so, she opted not to do so. With that in mind the point still stands. Its an ability thats employable by her so it can very much be used in a versus match. The Phoenix Force cannot die, it is totally indestructible in essence and can render its physical body to be so as well. The destruction of its physical body does not equate to a death if the Phoenix is still around and can carry on the fight. As aforementioned its like stripping away an outer shell. The same may have been said of Apocalypse but such claims have not been supported on panel in any of his appearances, therefore they can be dismissed as hyperbole. Similarly his bio does NOT reflect such comments you claim to have seen. Sorry son. 🙁
You just proved my point GS.
She died, and it's canon. No bio disuades that fact. She can be defeated on this forum because she has died per canon material, regardless of whether or not the death is/was permanent, she can and has been killed, which means she can be defeated. These aren't marathons, they are 1 on 1 battles. Once Jean falls, there's no ressurecting and continuing the fight (same goes for Doomsday and Apocalypse).
She wears a glass crown, and she's not infallable. Her own continuity proves this fact.
She's dead, and she was murdered. 👇
She (The M-Body Jean Grey) has never been displayed as invincible or indestructible per canon materials, so your argument for her bio stating that fact is immaterial and baseless. The Phoenix Force is eternal, the Jean M-Body manifestation is not. The Phoenix could choose not to take physical form in the 616 plane and there'd be no Jean. 👇
And you also need to do your homework on Anamoly. It's not simply universal. It can manifest in any plane. It embodies the opposite of all that is.
Originally posted by illadelph12
You just proved my point GS.She [b]died
, and it's canon. No bio disuades that fact. She can be defeated on this forum because she has died per canon material, regardless of whether or not the death is/was permanent, she can and has been killed, which means she can be defeated. These aren't marathons, they are 1 on 1 battles. Once Jean falls, there's no ressurecting and continuing the fight (same goes for Doomsday and Apocalypse).She wears a glass crown, and she's not infallable. Her own continuity proves this fact.
She's dead, and she was murdered. 👇
She (The M-Body Jean Grey) has never been displayed as invincible or indestructible per canon materials, so your argument for her bio stating that fact is immaterial and baseless. The Phoenix Force is eternal, the Jean M-Body manifestation is not. The Phoenix could choose not to take physical form in the 616 plane and there'd be no Jean. 👇 [/B]
Good try, but still no good. 😉
Jean can and has bolstered her durability on panel to survive assaults far more potent than the one your argument centres on, therefore your argument is as ever redundant. Jean is Phoenix, they are the same thing, as per canon it cannot die. It can render its physical body indestructible, however if it doesnt and its body is destroyed then no matter, Phoenix is still around in its totally indestructible essence. Stripping away its outer shell does not equate to a death, let alone a win. Hulk and the heroes destroying Onslaughts physical body did NOT result in the death of Onslaught it resulted in his transition to another state. He never went anywhere, he was still there to fight on.
When Phoenix destroyed her own body at the end of the DP Saga as stated and depicted in Classic X-men 43 she was still there on the moon in her energy form and she watched Scott mourn knowing it was for the best. If you would like scans then you know i would be more than happy to provide. 😄
Originally posted by illadelph12
And you also need to do your homework on Anamoly. It's not simply universal. It can manifest in any plane. It embodies the opposite of all that is.
Nope Anomaly is a universal abstract that embodies the opposite of all that is within 616. Manifesting on any plane does NOT equate to multiversal. On top of that how do you know the bio you've read wasnt referring to different planes of existence within 616? Please read some Quasar and stop relying on website summaries. You'll only come away with a most sparse understanding. Its cool tho. U got any questions dont hesitate to ask. Until then back to the drawing board.
Thats all. 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Good try, but still no good. 😉Jean can and has bolstered her durability on panel to survive assaults far more potent than the one your argument centres on, therefore your argument is as ever redundant. Jean is Phoenix, they are the same thing, as per canon it cannot die. It can render its physical body indestructible, however if it doesnt and its body is destroyed then no matter, Phoenix is still around in its totally indestructible essence. Stripping away its outer shell does not equate to a death, let alone a win. Hulk and the heroes destroying Onslaughts physical body did NOT result in the death of Onslaught it resulted in his transition to another state. He never went anywhere, he was still there to fight on.
When Phoenix destroyed her own body at the end of the DP Saga as stated and depicted in Classic X-men 43 she was still there on the moon in her energy form and she watched Scott mourn knowing it was for the best. If you would like scans then you know i would be more than happy to provide. 😄
Nope Anomaly is a universal abstract that embodies the opposite of all that is within 616. Manifesting on any plane does NOT equate to multiversal. On top of that how do you know the bio you've read wasnt referring to different planes of existence within 616? Please read some Quasar and stop relying on website summaries. You'll only come away with a most sparse understanding. Its cool tho. U got any questions dont hesitate to ask. Until then back to the drawing board.
Thats all. 😱
Wrong. 👇
The premise of my argument is that Jean, the M-Body, has been killed and is vulnerable, which has been conclusively proven on panel in canon material.
All your essays are meaningless GS. They can not dispell this fact.
Given that the possibility already exists for the Phoenix's M-Body to die, and the Jean manifestation has been proven to be fallable on numerous occasions, a fight against a being like Mad Jim Jaspers or Scarlet Witch, each of which can effect the probability of Jean enacting one of her well documented brain farts that result in her premature return to the Phoenix egg, results in Jean losing.
Nothing you say changes the fact that it's already been proven, by canon continuity, to be a possible outcome.
Until you can show that Jean has never been rendered deceased and needed to resurrect herself, your argument is meaningless here on these boards.
In the comics, where plots are the norm, Jean's resurrection abilities hold more weight.
Here, one kill equals a win, and it's been proven she can be killed, she simply can come back.
Glass crown. 👇
And your "canon evidence" argument has now opened up a new hole in the propaganda you've been spewing forth these last few months. Per canon, Jean is vulnerable, you just have to have the right tools.
You never should have let Whirly and the others get to you.
Sad. 🙁
Originally posted by illadelph12
Wrong. 👇The premise of my argument is that Jean, the M-Body, has been killed and is vulnerable, [b]which has been conclusively proven on panel in canon material
.All your essays are meaningless GS. They can not dispell this fact.
Given that the possibility already exists for the Phoenix's M-Body to die, and the Jean manifestation has been proven to be fallable on numerous occasions, a fight against a being like Mad Jim Jaspers or Scarlet Witch, each of which can effect the probability of Jean enacting one of her well documented brain farts that result in her premature return to the Phoenix egg, results in Jean losing.
Nothing you say changes the fact that it's already been proven, by canon continuity, to be a possible outcome.
Until you can show that Jean has never been rendered deceased and needed to resurrect herself, your argument is meaningless here on these boards.
In the comics, where plots are the norm, Jean's resurrection abilities hold more weight.
Here, one kill equals a win, and it's been proven she can be killed, she simply can come back.
Glass crown. 👇
And your "canon evidence" argument has now opened up a new hole in the propaganda you've been spewing forth these last few months. Per canon, Jean is vulnerable, you just have to have the right tools.
You never should have let Whirly and the others get to you.
Sad. 🙁 [/B]
As ever a most redundant post. None of your points conclusively dismiss any of my argument. Again and again you just restate your opinion which is very much unsupported on panel. You keep trying to convince yourself and any readers you pray will read your contributions that you actually have a point whilst failing to actually present a vaild and supported one. 🙁
You say the premise of the argument is that Jean has been killed and is vulnerable based on the fact that her physical body was destroyed by by Xorn and she was manipulated by Mastermind. Given that its been shown on panel that Jean can take far more damage than that which Xorneto inflicted on her that instance is irrelevant. Given that its stated on panel that Jean depowered herself after saving existence from the crystal , therefore making herself vulnerable to the subsequent manipulation (as stated on panel and in the bio) that Mastermind instance is also irrelevant.
When u take into consideration its within Phoenixes abilities (as supported on panel) to alter her durability to any level she desires and that as stated the Phoenix Force is ultimately completely indestructible your argument is unfortunately for you completely without merit im sorry to say. 🙁
The Phoenix essence is Jean. Phoenix derives from beyond reality as per the comics and bios. Son its official!! 😱 It isnt something a reality warper power has any jurisdiction over. As stated and shown on panel the destruction of Jeans physical body doesnt result in the death of Jean/Phoenix. Therefore it wouldnt equate to a win. When Phoenix destroyed her physical body in the DP Saga she was there on the moon watching Cyclops mourn before flying to the White Hot Room as stated in Classic X-men 43 Story 2. As such your whole argument is in tatters. Jean/Phoenix doesnt die, she cannot die. If she chooses not to render her body indestructible, (which she can do as supported by her appearances and stated in her bio) her body can be destroyed however she will still be there to fight in energy form. Illogical and most faulty argument. Try again when its refurbished. 😮
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As ever a most redundant post. None of your points conclusively dismiss any of my argument. Again and again you just restate your opinion which is very much unsupported on panel. You keep trying to convince yourself and any readers you pray will read your contributions that you actually have a point whilst failing to actually present a vaild and supported one. 🙁You say the premise of the argument is that Jean has been killed and is vulnerable based on the fact that her physical body was destroyed by by Xorn and she was manipulated by Mastermind. Given that its been shown on panel that Jean can take far more damage than that which Xorneto inflicted on her that instance is irrelevant. Given that its stated on panel that Jean depowered herself after saving existence from the crystal , therefore making herself vulnerable to the subsequent manipulation (as stated on panel and in the bio) that Mastermind instance is also irrelevant.
When u take into consideration its within Phoenixes abilities (as supported on panel) to alter her durability to any level she desires and that as stated the Phoenix Force is ultimately completely indestructible your argument is unfortunately for you completely without merit im sorry to say. 🙁
The Phoenix essence is Jean. Phoenix derives from beyond reality as per the comics and bios. Son its official!! 😱 It isnt something a reality warper power has any jurisdiction over. As stated and shown on panel the destruction of Jeans physical body doesnt result in the death of Jean/Phoenix. Therefore it wouldnt equate to a win. When Phoenix destroyed her physical body in the DP Saga she was there on the moon watching Cyclops mourn before flying to the White Hot Room as stated in Classic X-men 43 Story 2. As such your whole argument is in tatters. Jean/Phoenix doesnt die, she cannot die. If she chooses not to render her body indestructible, (which she can do as supported by her appearances and stated in her bio) her body can be destroyed however she will still be there to fight in energy form. Illogical and most faulty argument. Try again when its refurbished. 😮
GS, answer me this.
No essays.
No double talk.
No unnecessary verbose.
A simple yes or no answer.
Has Jean, per canon, died, in Marvel continuity?
Has Jean, per canon, been manipulated psionically in Marvel continuity?
We both know the answer is yes, therefore my argument is not only sound, but makes all your numerous essays and, for lack of a better term, sermons, on the Phoenix/Jean connection, pointless.
You allowed whirly to talk you into a tactical bind.
All of your "on panel, canon evidence" and quotes from bios doesn't change the fact that Phoenix has been killed, and has been manipulated.
The Phoenix Force even had a portion of it's power stolen by a sorceror long before Jean was even conceived.
I grant you that the Phoenix Force is the sum and substance of the Marvel Multiverse. I've argued that point along side you in other threads.
What you fail to acknowledge is that Jean, the Phoenix M-Body, can, and has, been killed.
You can't deny that fact.
The reason it seems redundant is because I'm trying to beat into your brain, my friend, that there is a glaring hole in your argument of unabashed Jean/Phoenix superiority.
Unlike many other posters on this board, your grandiose essays and "Shock and Awe" scan attacks won't pummel me into submission.
By your own reasoning of on panel, canon occurances being paramount, Jean Grey, the M-Body of the Phoenix Force, can die. 👇
Stop being a hypocrite, GS.
You're better than that.
You even stooped so low as to pull the "PIS" card.
Per canon, Jean can die. 👇
[And luckily I think so highly of myself that your 'unintended' patronizing tone doesn't work. I'm still my brotha's keeper.] 😄
Oh, and just so there's clarity (in case someone's actually following this):
My argument is that since per canon continuity Jean has been shown to be both fallable and capable of being killed, a character that can manipulate causality, probability, and possibility (i.e. Mad Jim Jaspers, Scarlet Witch, Jamie Braddock, etc.) could defeat her because it's already an established canon fact that Jean can be killed and manipulated, thereby giving evidence of her being susceptible to possibility, probability, and causality.
It's a possibility, and they manipulate and control probability, therefore making Jean's already occuring death a a possible recurring outcome.
Once something has been proven to be possible, it can re-occur given the proper variables and resources.
Perfectly logical argument.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenNot only that, but Mxy is actually stronger than the beings we've seen from even higher dimensions than him as well[In a JLA issue, they had to battle a 6th dimension being], and also, he seems more powerful than all the other imps and genies from the 5th dimension as well.
[B]Mr. Mxyzptlk as in the fifth dimensional imp. He has godly magical powers and is really above anything in our 4th dimensional world. He sets rules for himself in the 4d world and such. He can't come in his true form cause it's too overwhelming for mere mortals to see or some bs like that.😄 😄 😄 [/B]