religion bashing

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Its not the result of oing to one person repeadetly sometimes. it's just random people. Even if you've never even seen them before.

Originally posted by Punker69
"We did nothing.." According to the Bible and laws Jesus has set out for his people, most of us sin everyday. By God standards that "Most of us will do nothing wrong in our life" got void around age 3 when you started first dissobeying your parents. We are born into sin because of Adam and Eve and we will sin until the day that we die. Its apart of our humanity and who we are.

Originally posted by Punker69
God was not talking about the snakes as in creatures. He was talking about Satan. It was not God's intention for snakes to be viewed so poorly. As least I dont think it was.

The Lord God said to the serpant "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock, and above all beasts in the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enemity between you and the women and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel"

Sounds very much like snakes in general, doesn't it? Nothing there that even symbolically indicates he wasn't cursing snake kind for all eternity.

"We did nothing.." According to the Bible and laws Jesus has set out for his people, most of us sin everyday. By God standards that "Most of us will do nothing wrong in our life" got void around age 3 when you started first dissobeying your parents. We are born into sin because of Adam and Eve and we will sin until the day that we die. Its apart of our humanity and who we are.

But are we not born into sin? If it still goes back to Adam and Eve it still means we are being punished for the sins of the father (well, great great great etc father.) For their sin. We carry it with us, and apparently that sin makes us sin more. The original sin.

And newborns in the OT were ok for god to have killed then?

Apparently, all those sons of Egypt. The flood. The people the Israelites massacred when the came to the promised land...

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Sounds very much like snakes in general, doesn't it? Nothing there that even symbolically indicates he wasn't cursing snake kind for all eternity.

It wasn't about the creature. God was speaking to the Devil behind the creature.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Maybe it's because you go door to door maybe??? ❌
And newborns in the OT were ok for god to have killed then?

God does what he wants. It may not always seem fair we may not always be able to understand it but Job said it best "The Lord giveth and the lord hath taken away, BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD". We as sinful human beings have no right to judge a God who created us and who died for us and who's offers an eternity of paradise with him if we will only stay faithful. I look at it on a timescale of eternity. It may seem hard for awhile but not one promise in the Bible goes overlooked. When God says he will give you peace he means it. It may not come the second you ask but it will come. And if I can just stay faithful for the few years I have on earth God will reward me.

Originally posted by Punker69
It wasn't about the creature. God was speaking to the Devil behind the creature.

How so? He refers specifically to all the animals in the animal world - Satan to my knowledge isn't any form of livestock or beast. He refers specifically to the characteristics of a snake. He says the offspring of women and snake will hate each other - how many children has Satan had? How many off them are "bruise the heels" of men while they "bruise the head" the head of the snakes.

I know the OT is full of symbolism, but I don't see how this can be construed as Satan and not snakes in general.

Scripture says that the woman will be afraid of snakes.......But I'm not....I know I'm a women too, so what's with that? A lie?

And if I can just stay faithful for the few years I have on earth God will reward me.

Great points, Adam and Imperial. As usual, the religious counter arguments are just playing semantics and worming around the main points.

As I've said in another topic, the Bible and other Holy Books weren't entirely literal. This is probably the point the religion bashers don't get and that's why they bash.
"I don't like religions because they tell me Jesus can take a sword out of his mouth."
😂

hey, have any of you read the Left Behind series?

Yes some of the first book and some of the second.,...........all the thoughts of iTim Lahey guy...................not a historian.............

"There will always be religion. To blame everything on religion is bogus. We are to blame. "

But we created religion. Now while you aer correct in saying you can't blame everything on religion, it is safe to say that religion is responsible for the majority of the wars fought throughout history.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
"There will always be religion. To blame everything on religion is bogus. We are to blame. "

But we created religion. Now while you aer correct in saying you can't blame everything on religion, it is safe to say that religion is responsible for the majority of the wars fought throughout history.

That is like saying that food is the cause of war. Although food has been the cause of strife, it's really power, not religion or food that has been cause for war. 😆

Originally posted by debbiejo
Scripture says that the woman will be afraid of snakes.......But I'm not....I know I'm a women too, so what's with that? A lie?

Why would god need to give out rewards like a good parent to a little child. God would be above bribery.....because that's what it is you know....It's a bribe...A real god would be above this.

Its not Bribery. Thats not why I choose to serve him. I serve him because I love him. I love what he did for me at Calvary and I love him being in my life. And I also love the fact that any suffering I go threw isn't going to be overlooked but will be rewarded because thats just how good God is.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is like saying that food is the cause of war. Although food has been the cause of strife, it's really power, not religion or food that has been cause for war. 😆

I don't get the connection. No one has ever tried to exterminate someone because of the food they eat, or tried to force them to eat their type of food. No one has enslaved a group of people because of the food they eat. However, people have been esterminated because of religion.People have been enslaved because of religion, and people have been torture and persecuted for having a religion different from those who form the majority. So no, it is not like saying food caused war because A) food hasn't caused war while religion has. B) Religion isn't an essential element of life while food is. C) Food doesn't cause descrimination. D) Food doesn't manipulate people's thoughts telling them what's righteous and what's evil and sending them on a holy war to kill themselves some heathens.

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Its not the result of oing to one person repeadetly sometimes. it's just random people. Even if you've never even seen them before.

Maybe because people don't like it when you try to force your beliefs on them.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by Punker69
Its not Bribery. Thats not why I choose to serve him. I serve him because I love him. I love what he did for me at Calvary and I love him being in my life. And I also love the fact that any suffering I go threw isn't going to be overlooked but will be rewarded because thats just how good God is.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
I don't get the connection. No one has ever tried to exterminate someone because of the food they eat, or tried to force them to eat their type of food. No one has enslaved a group of people because of the food they eat. However, people have been esterminated because of religion.People have been enslaved because of religion, and people have been torture and persecuted for having a religion different from those who form the majority. So no, it is not like saying food caused war because A) food hasn't caused war while religion has. B) Religion isn't an essential element of life while food is. C) Food doesn't cause descrimination. D) Food doesn't manipulate people's thoughts telling them what's righteous and what's evil and sending them on a holy war to kill themselves some heathens.

If you look at the root cause of war, it is more often cultural differences and power struggles. I use food as a way of abstracting the point. Take the American war of independence; they throw tea in the Boston harbor. That war was about unfair taxation on commerce, but it was really about control. Who was in control over the colonies? Religion can be an excuse for war, but it is usually the quest for power that is the driving force.

What about the crusade's? I know people always bash religion for that and I don't want to beat a dead horse but that was totally motivated by religion. But also more recentlythere have been wars in which religion was a major motivation. The Holocaust for example christian Germans tried to exterminate european jews which resulted in WWII.The Allies then resorted to propoganda to gain the support of their public. How did they do this? They hid the fact that the Nazis were christian and made them out to be atheists to get the american or british people to hate them more. This fear of atheists was a major part of why we reliious capitalists hated communists so much. They had no god. This in turn resulted in the vie nam war and korean war. As for the Americain revolution, it didn't start over food. The british weren't pissed off about loosing all that tea, they pissed off about loosing the control of colonies due to political beliefs. Now bear in mind that religion is a major factor in determining someone's political beliefs as well as moral. Also, rmember that most of the colonists were English (it ws an English colony after all) and had originally left to gain religious freedom. Also, those who immigrated form other countries also had different religious belifs from England which resulted in a nation with completely different religious views from its colonies. Look at the war we are in now. Most will say that this is a political war. But George Bush has even called it a crusade, and Islamic terrorists have called i8t a Djihad, so what could the motivation of this war be if both sides believe it is religiously motivated. Some will say that the motivation for this war was September 11 but now we know (actually we always have) that there was no connection between those attacks and the Iraqi government. Others will say it was to find weapons of mass destruction, but none were found and our president has even made jokes about there being none. The most convincing excuse is that the Iraqi government harbored and funded terrorists. This is true but many western nations have funded terrorists and have comitted terrorst acts including the U.S. why haven't we attacked france or why hasn't Britain attacked us? Because we are united thrugh religion. The middle east however is not part of our religion so lets bomb the mother-f***ers. This hostility between Christianity and Islam has been going on since the crusades and is the driving force between all international violence today.

Very interesting history.

Christianity and Islam has been going on since the crusades and is the driving force between all international violence today.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
What about the crusade's? I know people always bash religion for that and I don't want to beat a dead horse but that was totally motivated by religion. But also more recentlythere have been wars in which religion was a major motivation. The Holocaust for example christian Germans tried to exterminate european jews which resulted in WWII.The Allies then resorted to propoganda to gain the support of their public. How did they do this? They hid the fact that the Nazis were christian and made them out to be atheists to get the american or british people to hate them more. This fear of atheists was a major part of why we reliious capitalists hated communists so much. They had no god. This in turn resulted in the vie nam war and korean war. As for the Americain revolution, it didn't start over food. The british weren't pissed off about loosing all that tea, they pissed off about loosing the control of colonies due to political beliefs. Now bear in mind that religion is a major factor in determining someone's political beliefs as well as moral. Also, rmember that most of the colonists were English (it ws an English colony after all) and had originally left to gain religious freedom. Also, those who immigrated form other countries also had different religious belifs from England which resulted in a nation with completely different religious views from its colonies. Look at the war we are in now. Most will say that this is a political war. But George Bush has even called it a crusade, and Islamic terrorists have called i8t a Djihad, so what could the motivation of this war be if both sides believe it is religiously motivated. Some will say that the motivation for this war was September 11 but now we know (actually we always have) that there was no connection between those attacks and the Iraqi government. Others will say it was to find weapons of mass destruction, but none were found and our president has even made jokes about there being none. The most convincing excuse is that the Iraqi government harbored and funded terrorists. This is true but many western nations have funded terrorists and have comitted terrorst acts including the U.S. why haven't we attacked france or why hasn't Britain attacked us? Because we are united thrugh religion. The middle east however is not part of our religion so lets bomb the mother-f***ers. This hostility between Christianity and Islam has been going on since the crusades and is the driving force between all international violence today.

I'm not saying that religion is innocent, but what is religion? All I’m saying is if you blame religion you maybe escape-goating. Religion is a reflection of us, all of us. Sure we need to control the extremists in our society, but we should never forget that we are to blame for allowing the extremists to exist in the first place.

Yes that is true, but isn't blaming religion and blaming ourselves the same thing since we created and abide by our religion.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
Yes that is true, but isn't blaming religion and blaming ourselves the same thing since we created and abide by our religion.

To the more enlightened one, yes. But most people don't want to blame themselves and would rather find the blame else where.