religion bashing

Originally posted by Rapscallion
What about the crusade's? I know people always bash religion for that and I don't want to beat a dead horse but that was totally motivated by religion. But also more recentlythere have been wars in which religion was a major motivation. The Holocaust for example christian Germans tried to exterminate european jews which resulted in WWII.The Allies then resorted to propoganda to gain the support of their public. How did they do this? They hid the fact that the Nazis were christian and made them out to be atheists to get the american or british people to hate them more. This fear of atheists was a major part of why we reliious capitalists hated communists so much. They had no god. This in turn resulted in the vie nam war and korean war. As for the Americain revolution, it didn't start over food. The british weren't pissed off about loosing all that tea, they pissed off about loosing the control of colonies due to political beliefs. Now bear in mind that religion is a major factor in determining someone's political beliefs as well as moral. Also, rmember that most of the colonists were English (it ws an English colony after all) and had originally left to gain religious freedom. Also, those who immigrated form other countries also had different religious belifs from England which resulted in a nation with completely different religious views from its colonies. Look at the war we are in now. Most will say that this is a political war. But George Bush has even called it a crusade, and Islamic terrorists have called i8t a Djihad, so what could the motivation of this war be if both sides believe it is religiously motivated. Some will say that the motivation for this war was September 11 but now we know (actually we always have) that there was no connection between those attacks and the Iraqi government. Others will say it was to find weapons of mass destruction, but none were found and our president has even made jokes about there being none. The most convincing excuse is that the Iraqi government harbored and funded terrorists. This is true but many western nations have funded terrorists and have comitted terrorst acts including the U.S. why haven't we attacked france or why hasn't Britain attacked us? Because we are united thrugh religion. The middle east however is not part of our religion so lets bomb the mother-f***ers. This hostility between Christianity and Islam has been going on since the crusades and is the driving force between all intenational violence today.

The word paragraphs comes to mind as I read.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Why do certian people bash on religion so much, what makes them feel that there beliefs are any better?

Because Passion of the Christ was pig shit.

If you look at the root cause of war, it is more often cultural differences and power struggles. I use food as a way of abstracting the point. Take the American war of independence; they throw tea in the Boston harbor. That war was about unfair taxation on commerce, but it was really about control. Who was in control over the colonies? Religion can be an excuse for war, but it is usually the quest for power that is the driving force.

ah but Shaky.........isnt' the sole purpose of most religions power?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
ah but Shaky.........isnt' the sole purpose of most religions power?

Yes I agree, but people who are not religious can be just as power hungry.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
The word paragraphs comes to mind as I read.

thanks for the contribution to the discussion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes I agree, but people who are not religious can be just as power hungry.

Atheists are not necessarily more rational than theists.

True of course.............Storm always does her research........... 😖mart:

Originally posted by Rapscallion
thanks for the contribution to the discussion.

Dude it is much easier to read if you space out large clumps of text in paragraphs.

sorry, I'm too lazy to actually organize my thoughts. Sorry about the snap.

Originally posted by Captain Falcon
true. But those people think more clearly and usually do it for good reasons. Then again, kings and emperors are religious, historical freaks are religious, George Bush is religious.

The fact that Bush is religious pretty much disproves God on its own.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
The fact that Bush is religious pretty much disproves God on its own.

He isn't, it's bullshit.

He 'became' a born-again Christian just before his election for Governor of Texas.

Weather or not Bush has anything to do with existance of God, I don't know.

But I think organized religion basically defeats the purpose of religion

Originally posted by dani_california
Weather or not Bush has anything to do with existance of God, I don't know.

But I think organized religion basically defeats the purpose of religion

You say that without know all of the organized religion in the world. Not all organized religions are evil and corrupt.

The sad thing is that i base a lot of what i believe on the movie Dogma

That sounds retarded but I actually do

Like one of the character says that God hates 'Beliefs' and would rather people had an Idea of God, not a Belief since Beliefs cause crap to happen like:
The Crusades
WW2 (Hitler said that Jesus told him to kill the Jews)
The whole thing with terrorists who think they'll go to heaven if they kill people

So religion has caused millions of deaths
That's why it defeats its own purpose

Another character in the movie says that it doesn't matter if the Bible is true as long as they got the message right, which is basically what i believe

Originally posted by dani_california
The sad thing is that i base a lot of what i believe on the movie Dogma

That sounds retarded but I actually do

Like one of the character says that God hates 'Beliefs' and would rather people had an Idea of God, not a Belief since Beliefs cause crap to happen like:
The Crusades
WW2 (Hitler said that Jesus told him to kill the Jews)
The whole thing with terrorists who think they'll go to heaven if they kill people

So religion has caused millions of deaths
That's why it defeats its own purpose

Another character in the movie says that it doesn't matter if the Bible is true as long as they got the message right, which is basically what i believe

I am a Buddhist, and my religion is nothing like what is in that movie. You should read up on it.

Originally posted by dani_california
The sad thing is that i base a lot of what i believe on the movie Dogma

That sounds retarded but I actually do

Like one of the character says that God hates 'Beliefs' and would rather people had an Idea of God, not a Belief since Beliefs cause crap to happen like:
The Crusades
WW2 (Hitler said that Jesus told him to kill the Jews)
The whole thing with terrorists who think they'll go to heaven if they kill people

So religion has caused millions of deaths
That's why it defeats its own purpose

Another character in the movie says that it doesn't matter if the Bible is true as long as they got the message right, which is basically what i believe

* terrorists think they'll go to heaven if they kill people... that's because they are stupid...

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill ; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:"
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment : and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
Matthew 5:21-22

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders , drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God ."
Galatians 5:19-21

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you ;"
Matthew 5:44

* these verses do not need further interpretations... if the stupid terrorists only read the Bible, they could not have been fooled by Hitler... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* terrorists think they'll go to heaven if they kill people... that's because they are stupid...

That doesnt seem like very logical reasoning to me. In fact, thier actions seem perfectly logical. Did I hear "crusades"? Did I hear "excessive religious tolerance on the part of the Muslims and Christians so bigoted that they would kill thousands of thier own kind in holy wars, not to mention people of any other religion." Christians, perhaps above all religions, have no historical right to claim that religion is nonviolent or does not involve murder.

I don't see you blessing the "stupid" terrorists.

And terrorism had nothing to do with Hitler. Thats fascism, and politically, it was brilliant.

Originally posted by Alliance
That doesnt seem like very logical reasoning to me. In fact, thier actions seem perfectly logical. Did I hear "crusades"? Did I hear "excessive religious tolerance on the part of the Muslims and Christians so bigoted that they would kill thousands of thier own kind in holy wars, not to mention people of any other religion." Christians, perhaps above all religions, have no historical right to claim that religion is nonviolent or does not involve murder.

I don't see you blessing the "stupid" terrorists.

And terrorism had nothing to do with Hitler. Thats fascism, and politically, it was brilliant.

What was brilliant. War is always a sign of failure.

* they were believing in a false religion... true religion promotes love and care for fellow humans...