Originally posted by Accel
Buddy, Thor using a Godblast or the ability to negate powers is not SMvFL. Where you got that idea, I'll never know.
No one argued that Thor using a Godblast is SvFL (since he used this consistently in his career). Where do you get your understanding from? And who even said anything about negating powers in this argument (DD vs. Thor)? Please read my quote on the forum rules about SvFL.
DD isn't immune to energy.
He was hurt by it later in DOS, and again in Hunter/Prey.
DD wasn't that fast.
When people are watching the fight as it happens, then it takes away from one characters mistaken view on the fight.
He's not speedblitzing Thor.
And if Thor isn't torn to shred by the destroyer, or Kurse, though he is beaten, why would DD automatically shred him??
Cuz he cut Superman??
And the Superman of back then, wasn't exactly more durable than Thor. Thats definitely not the case.
Maybe current Superman, but 13 years ago?? Only person who'd say that is someone who never bothered to read Thor.
DOS DD wasn't stronger than Hulk.
He was infact, a brown hulk with bones that doubled as weapons. He's not more powerful than either hulk or Marko.
Juggernaut would've walked through the JLA as well.
Thor can easily take a majority from DOS DD.
To say otherwise, screams of the ignorance you have of Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Yes really. DOS DD is way more powerful with added speed and protrusions(to help increase the power and damage).
Originally posted by h1a8
2. Thor did go down (he didn't completely stay down though). DOS DD is far more powerful than these two (especially Juggernaut). And if Thor had the miracle of having time to use his other powers, it would do him no good.
AS for his other powers, seeing as how they’ve harmed Sky-Fathers, they would completely waste DD like nothing.
Originally posted by h1a8
3. This is not faulty logic but forum rules. Did you see my quote in bold?
I quoted from the forum rules.
The same applies to Thor’s hammer, one of the biggest plot devices in comics. Good lord, if we went by your logic, Green Lanterns and the Silver Surfer couldn’t do half the things they’ve done in their careers.
Originally posted by h1a8
4. Your right it isn't PIS but SvFL. And DD has shown this power consistently through his career so it isn't SvFL.
Originally posted by h1a8
5. Cough Cough Bullsh#t. Thor has taken far worse only in energy. Not physical blows of DD's power and damage ability. DOS DD has punctured Superman's body. This my friend is a physical power feat that proves he can do worst to Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
6. Of couse he will sit there. Why? Because DD will be on him before he has time to react. Unless Thor has prep of course (in which he needs).
And you keep confusing physical force with energy force. DD is immune to the latter so Thor's only chance is to beat him physically (Which isn't going to happen since he will be going down in a few seconds).
Thor can fire cosmic blasts, Godblast, reverse DD’s powers, or whatever. DD will be as vulnerable as any body else the first time he experiences these.
Originally posted by h1a8
No one argued that Thor using a Godblast is SvFL (since he used this consistently in his career). Where do you get your understanding from? And who even said anything about negating powers in this argument (DD vs. Thor)? Please read my quote on the forum rules about SvFL.
And as I said, Thor has demonstrated the power to negate others' powers. It was shown on panel and is officially part of his power-set. No one is going to discredit it because he's only used it once. Get over it.
Originally posted by UniOmni
DD isn't immune to energy.He was hurt by it later in DOS, and again in Hunter/Prey.
DD wasn't that fast.
When people are watching the fight as it happens, then it takes away from one characters mistaken view on the fight.
He's not speedblitzing Thor.And if Thor isn't torn to shred by the destroyer, or Kurse, though he is beaten, why would DD automatically shred him??
Cuz he cut Superman??
And the Superman of back then, wasn't exactly more durable than Thor. Thats definitely not the case.
Maybe current Superman, but 13 years ago?? Only person who'd say that is someone who never bothered to read Thor.
DOS DD wasn't stronger than Hulk.
He was infact, a brown hulk with bones that doubled as weapons. He's not more powerful than either hulk or Marko.
Juggernaut would've walked through the JLA as well.
Thor can easily take a majority from DOS DD.
To say otherwise, screams of the ignorance you have of Thor.
My friend it has been quoted many times on DD's speed in comparison to flash. He has also hit character's (such as flash,ww, and superman) whose reflexes is in comparison to Thor's even before they can react. So DD isn't that fast is utter nonsense.
Yes DOS DD is stronger than Hulk. Superman is stronger than Hulk and DOS DD is stronger than Superman. Otherwise Superman wouldn't have died would he. But anyway an official D.C. site says that DOS DD is about 1.1 times stronger than superman.
Thus DD>>>>>any of those beings in shear power. Plus added the fact that he has piercing power (bony protrusions). This is like giving Asteroid busting Hulk adamantium claws with flashlike speed. There is simply no comparison here. And stop comparing Thor's energy projection durability to his physical durability. Thor is the god of thunder and thus have hella energy resistance. Superman's physical durability>>>>>>>Thor's physical durability
And cutting Superman shows how much worse he will do to Thor.
And what do Juggernaut running through JLA have anything to do with DD not winning this fight? DD did it in minutes with one hand tied behind his back. And Juggernaut would have got his a"ss kicked if he messed with the JLA. Superman alone would have KOed him easily (Since Juggs can be jarred and dazed-says Marvel) or took him to space.
Thor taking a majority from DOS DD screams ignorance you have of DD and his bony protrusions.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD is immune to all energy. Did you read Hunter/Prey? They explain this clearly. This is why the omega beams didn't kill him. Yet DOS DD took the supreme HV of superman and the JLA without a scratch. Just because you think he was hurt doesn't mean that he was hurt or even not immune. Obviously, Superman's HV was applying a force to DD. But no damage whatsoever. (The utter definition of immunity)
Originally posted by h1a8
My friend it has been quoted many times on DD's speed in comparison to flash. He has also hit character's (such as flash,ww, and superman) whose reflexes is in comparison to Thor's even before they can react. So DD isn't that fast is utter nonsense.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes DOS DD is stronger than Hulk. Superman is stronger than Hulk and DOS DD is stronger than Superman. Otherwise Superman wouldn't have died would he. But anyway an official D.C. site says that DOS DD is about 1.1 times stronger than superman.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thus DD>>>>>any of those beings in shear power. Plus added the fact that he has piercing power (bony protrusions). This is like giving Asteroid busting Hulk adamantium claws with flashlike speed. There is simply no comparison here. And stop comparing Thor's energy projection durability to his physical durability. Thor is the god of thunder and thus have hella energy resistance. Superman's physical durability>>>>>>>Thor's physical durability
And cutting Superman shows how much worse he will do to Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
And what do Juggernaut running through JLA have anything to do with DD not winning this fight? DD did it in minutes with one hand tied behind his back. And Juggernaut would have got his a"ss kicked if he messed with the JLA. Superman alone would have KOed him easily (Since Juggs can be jarred and dazed-says Marvel) or took him to space.
Only twice does anyone remark on his speed.
Guy, and then Superman.
And then he isn't that fast, since REPORTERS WERE COMMENTATING ON THE FIGHT AS IT OCCURRED!! HUMAN REPORTERS AT THAT.
Do you know why, DOS is often regarded as a crappy comic??
Because it neutered the JLA, and Superman in an effort to dramatize the fight.
Superman used no speed.
GL used no speed.
Nobody used any speed.
What speed trails did you see??
Cuz i got the book right here.
You actually had the gall to compare DD to flash in regards to speed??
And DD is immune to energy blasts??
H/P, his stronger form, had him showing pain when Superman decided to use his brain and fight from the air with hv...
Where was this immunity you speak of then??
Superman is stronger than a calm hulk.
When Hulk is enraged, he's easily on the level and on his way to eclipsing Superman.
And H/P is a bad example to use.
He's supposedly immune to energy attacks, but is hurt by the OE, and hurt by hv??
Great way to undercut your own case.
And again, Superman from 13 years ago is more durable than Thor??
You maintain that stance??
And i repeat, Thor fighting Kurse and the Destroyer, but not being cut to ribbons negates your DD guts Thor stance, since both are much stronger than DD.
Originally posted by Accel
1. DOS DD’s strength is around their level, and Thor’s taken punishment form them without going down. DD’s also not nearly as powerful as the likes of Surtur, the Destroyer, or Ego, all of which Thor has done relatively well against.2. Right, he was knocked down but got right back up, thus, not going down.
AS for his other powers, seeing as how they’ve harmed Sky-Fathers, they would completely waste DD like nothing.
3.Buddy, SMvFL doesn’t pertain to one-time powers. It’s referring to certain [b]feats
It means if a character does something he shouldn’t be able to do (such as, oh I don’t now) Spider-Man beating Firelord, then it is SMvFL. If Superman uses Soul Vision once and never uses it again, it’s not SMvFL, because it’s just shown to be another power in Supes’s arsenal.The same applies to Thor’s hammer, one of the biggest plot devices in comics. Good lord, if we went by your logic, Green Lanterns and the Silver Surfer couldn’t do half the things they’ve done in their careers.
If you read the response above, I hope you learned that Thor’s one-time powers are neither.
4.Energy? Have you ever read any thing with Thor? He takes physical punishment all the time and gets right back up. And puncturing Thor isn’t a victory. You act like one wound and Thor will be crying. Wonder Woman, who is more vulnerable to sharp things than Thor, has taken blows from DD just fine.
DD’s not immune to all energies, especially not Thor’s sine THEY’VE NEVER FOUGHT.
Thor can fire cosmic blasts, Godblast, reverse DD’s powers, or whatever. DD will be as vulnerable as any body else the first time he experiences these.
5.The Godblast was just an example, since your claiming almost every one of his powers to be PIS or SMvFl. 🙄
6.And as I said, Thor has demonstrated the power to negate others' powers. It was shown on panel and is officially part of his power-set. No one is going to discredit it because he's only used it once. Get over it. [/B]
1. False. Superman is stronger than both Hulk and Juggernaut and DOS DD is stronger than him. And what does the strength of surtur, destroyer. etc. have to do with this? These are totally different fights. Strength alone doesn't win anything. That is why DD has unreactible speed, super durability, and tremendous piercing power.
2. Buddy he was nearly half dead (or one more hit from being unconscience). And harming skyfathers has nothing to do with DD since they are not immune to all energy projection.
3. Is there something wrong with your english comprehension?
SvFL is a feat that is "is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers. "
4. Puncturing thor in the brains is a victory. And WW was merely skimmed by DD's bony protrusion. Even though this cut her badly.
Plus DD has gone through superman's shoulder like it was paper with his claw send. Even before superman can react. How much more will he go through Thor's brain.
And DD is immune to all energy projection. Please read hunter prey to learn why. This is why waverider (a timeless being) stated that the only thing that could destroy DD was the end of time. And it was the reason why DD could take a full blast of the omega effect unharmed.
A godblast or any other type of energy wouldn't put a scratch on DD.
5. Are you silly or something or just delusional. I never ever ever claimed that Thor's Godblast is PIS or SvFL. Please read my posts carefully.
6. What does negating powers have to do with DD. Are you implying that he will negate his powers?
Originally posted by UniOmni
Only twice does anyone remark on his speed.Guy, and then Superman.
And then he isn't that fast, since REPORTERS WERE COMMENTATING ON THE FIGHT AS IT OCCURRED!! HUMAN REPORTERS AT THAT.
Do you know why, DOS is often regarded as a crappy comic??
Because it neutered the JLA, and Superman in an effort to dramatize the fight.
Superman used no speed.GL used no speed.
Nobody used any speed.
What speed trails did you see??
Cuz i got the book right here.
You actually had the gall to compare DD to flash in regards to speed??
And DD is immune to energy blasts??
H/P, his stronger form, had him showing pain when Superman decided to use his brain and fight from the air with hv...
Where was this immunity you speak of then??
Superman is stronger than a calm hulk.
When Hulk is enraged, he's easily on the level and on his way to eclipsing Superman.
And H/P is a bad example to use.
He's supposedly immune to energy attacks, but is hurt by the OE, and hurt by hv??
Great way to undercut your own case.
And again, Superman from 13 years ago is more durable than Thor??
You maintain that stance??
And i repeat, Thor fighting Kurse and the Destroyer, but not being cut to ribbons negates your DD guts Thor stance, since both are much stronger than DD.
actually at least four times. Please read again
Writers are not scientists. Superman can move faster than a human can preceive yet humans seen him too. Superman has caught bullets with ease (yet humans can't see them) and many times couldn't react to the speed of DD. Comics have scientific flaws all the time. Also If you read Doomsday wars look at what DD does to flash and then get back with me.
Pain and damage are too different things. DD will not occur any damage to energy projection. The same happened with the omega effect. Plus he took the supreme HV of superman with the entire JLA without a scratch or pain. I told you comics are not always scientific. That is why we use the best of someones abilities.
13 years ago Superman is physically more durable the Thor. This is true.
Not in energy wise though.
How could fist punches actually shred someone without sharp claws?
DD will kill kurse and the destroyer at the same time.
And that's no joke
Hia18, when you say Superman is stronger than Hulk, you do realize that as hulk gets angrier, he grows more powerful right?
Superman only starts off stronger.
Within a few seconds, Hulk is clearly on the level of Superman and still rising.
And Thor has taken beatings from the destroyer and Kurse, and neither gutted him, and both have sharp protrusions and are much stronger than DD.
Thats why we don't buy your theory of DD tossing one punch and shredding Thor.
Thor's history contradicts it.
And in H/P, Superman's hv and the OE clearly hurt DD.
For you to say otherwise, is to lie outright.
Thats why we don't buy your "DD is immune to energy attacks!" speal.
Showings in the book contradict your words.
And Superman from 13 years ago wasn't more durable than Thor or stronger.
He is now, but not a decade+ ago.
You lost all credibility when you said DD would beat Kurse and The Destroyer at the same time.
I'm done debating with you.
From what I am seeing, people are not acquainted with the entire spectrum of Thor's powers.
They are treating his character like he is a "Strong Guy".
In reality, Thor is basicallt a combination of Superman, Doctor Strange and a Big Magic Hammer!
I dare anybody in this forum to create a comparison list of character powers. Thor has so much mre of a potential arsenal, it isn't even funny.
And, Thor's books show that DD offers nothing that Thor has not dealt with in the past.
Supes amps as the fight goes on as well. It's one of his abilities.
Hulk hasn't been impressive for quite some time now. The last handful years it seems every scrub can beat his ass. Not the same can be said for Superman, who's barely had a challenge in the same timeframe.
As for DD's speed, as opposed to what you were saying a minute ago, it's documented in nearly every issue. We've went through the speed thing earlier in the thread, but I do agree the context of him and Supes being watched at the end by reporters is off, when they were supposed to pushing their max speed. At one point in regards to his speed, it was said 50 miles is only like 50 paces to him. Supes said he was maxing his speed. Booster said he was as fast as Flash. Guy Gardner said he was faster than he could think. Characters like Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Supergirl were pretty much completely unable to react to him or keep pace with him. His speed is pretty evident in the story, reporters aside. Seems kind of like a dragonball thing now that I think of it.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. False. Superman is stronger than both Hulk and Juggernaut and DOS DD is stronger than him.
Guess what, Thor stood up to both of them just fine, even holding his own against Juggernaut when he was sick.
Originally posted by h1a8
And what does the strength of surtur, destroyer. etc. have to do with this? These are totally different fights.
Originally posted by h1a8
Strength alone doesn't win anything.
Thor has tons more going form him than Doomsday does.
Originally posted by h1a8
That is why DD has unreactible speed, super durability, and tremendous piercing power.
Originally posted by h1a8
2. Buddy he was nearly half dead (or one more hit from being unconscience). And harming skyfathers has nothing to do with DD since they are not immune to all energy projection.
Originally posted by h1a8
3. Is there something wrong with your english comprehension?
Originally posted by h1a8
SvFL is a feat that is "[B]is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers. "[/B]
Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by h1a8
4. Puncturing thor in the brains is a victory. And WW was merely skimmed by DD's bony protrusion. Even though this cut her badly.
He may not be quite as durable as Superman, but he’s not too far behind. Not to mention he can just take to the skies and not have to worry about that in the first place.
Originally posted by h1a8
And DD is immune to all energy projection. Please read hunter prey to learn why. This is why waverider (a timeless being) stated that the only thing that could destroy DD was the end of time. And it was the reason why DD could take a full blast of the omega effect unharmed.
A godblast or any other type of energy wouldn't put a scratch on DD.
He is in no way , shape, or form immune to the Godblast. H/P may not even be immune to it since it’s magical in origin.
Originally posted by h1a8
5. Are you silly or something or just delusional. I never ever ever claimed that Thor's Godblast is PIS or SvFL. Please read my posts carefully.
Instead, you’re using a stupid argument that any power Thor uses only once is SMvFL, because you don’t even know what SMvFL means. 😕
Originally posted by h1a8
6. What does negating powers have to do with DD. Are you implying that he will negate his powers?
Originally posted by Juntai
Supes amps as the fight goes on as well. It's one of his abilities.
Hulk hasn't been impressive for quite some time now. The last handful years it seems every scrub can beat his ass. Not the same can be said for Superman, who's barely had a challenge in the same timeframe.
Hulk currently is nowhere where he used to be, but back in the day, he was. And at that time Thor took his assaults just fine.
Jonn was Bloodwynd, and he didn't know it, so its not like it was MM at the fight.
Maxima did keep pace with him, until she set off that big bang at Citgo.
And i still don't see the speed thats supposedly leaping off the page.
No speed trails, or people unable to react.
Except for when he first rushed the League + superman.
And iirc, Superman didn't have that amp as he gets more stressed thing going for him back then, or did he jun?
And i will agree, that for the past decade or so, Hulk hasn't been the beast he once was.
The only time he gets brutal, is when he fights Abom.
Personally,I think Hulk shouldn't even be part of the discussion. These guys are in a different class.
They have more available to them than just strength and healing factor.
We should be doing comparisons to characters like Kurse, Gladiator, Juggs, Count Nefarious and Perrikus.
Those are the kind of dynamic, multi-dimensional characters that could be compared to DD.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Hia18, when you say Superman is stronger than Hulk, you do realize that as hulk gets angrier, he grows more powerful right?Superman only starts off stronger.
Within a few seconds, Hulk is clearly on the level of Superman and still rising.
And Thor has taken beatings from the destroyer and Kurse, and neither gutted him, and both have sharp protrusions and are much stronger than DD.
Thats why we don't buy your theory of DD tossing one punch and shredding Thor.
Thor's history contradicts it.
And in H/P, Superman's hv and the OE clearly hurt DD.
For you to say otherwise, is to lie outright.
Thats why we don't buy your "DD is immune to energy attacks!" speal.
Showings in the book contradict your words.
And Superman from 13 years ago wasn't more durable than Thor or stronger.
He is now, but not a decade+ ago.
You lost all credibility when you said DD would beat Kurse and The Destroyer at the same time.
I'm done debating with you.
Why is Destroyer and Kurse much stronger than DD?
That statement demands proof?
How do you know how strong DD is?
Do you know his limit in strength?
Hell no! So why are you limiting his strength?
Does Thor have more physical durability than Supes?
Hell no! He will gut Thor just like he did Superman (but worse).
What does hurt have to do with being immune. DD might have been hurt (arguable) but he wasn't damaged in any way. You don't win a fight by hurting someone. You win by sufficient damage. Also, in Death of Superman, Superman poured his extreme HV with the extreme of JLA and not only was DD not hurt but he didn't get a scratch. This is a contradiction in the comic. It happens. Even Thor has contradictions. But I see people using only the best of Thor's abilities and showings (forum rules). Why can't I use the best of DD's showings as well?
And I'm sorry I made the comment that DOS DD would beat both Destroyer and Kurse at the same time. He would lose due to severe beating. I meant Hunter/Prey DD could beat them both.
This is because he is now immune to all things (except the End of Time and the Anti DDVirus). He also evolves in battle (in which he gains more strength, powers, etc.) He grew strong enough to penetrate all the way through superman's shoulder like tissue paper before superman can react. A God feat that is.
Originally posted by Accel
They are far more powerful than Doomsday. Are you still on the notion that Thor can do much more than punching, or do you still believe every power he uses is SMvFL?Exactly, and compared to someone as versatile as Thor, DD is basically a brick.
Thor has tons more going form him than Doomsday does.
His speed is far from unreactible. Booster Gold managed to react to it. Thor will do the same.
It has every thing to with DD, since he’s nowhere near that powerful, nor is he immune to Mjolnir’s magical properties.
You still don’t get it. Thor using a one-time power isn’t the same as Spider-Man beating Firelord. Even if, say, Martian Aquaman showed Ice Vision once and never used it again, it wouldn’t be SMvFL. It would then become another viable power in his powerset that could be used on the forums. The same applies to Thor.
Shame that’s not going to happen, since Thor is far too durable for him to merely puncture his head. You are severely underestimating Thor’s durability.
He may not be quite as durable as Superman, but he’s not too far behind. Not to mention he can just take to the skies and not have to worry about that in the first place.
Guess what? This is DOS DD, not H/P DD.
He is in no way , shape, or form immune to the Godblast. H/P may not even be immune to it since it’s magical in origin.
I know. It. Was. An. Ex. Ample.
Instead, you’re using a stupid argument that any power Thor uses only once is SMvFL, because you don’t even know what SMvFL means. 😕
It’s a big possibility, yes. Possibly eliminate his power to grow stronger and such or cuase him to grow weaker instead of grow stronger.
You lose good respect when you say that Hulk and Juggernaut is more powerful than DD. Many things you said is debatable and makes some kind of sense. Except that.
One can have all the powers in the universe but yet still lose. This is because they wouldn't have time to do squat. And why use Booster Gold example? Doesn't that contradict DD's other showings? Remember we are to use the best of each character's abilities. And not their low showings as examples.
That means I choose the DD that was fast enough to make no one able to react (even flash and ww).
True Mjolnir can damage DOS DD. I'm not arguing that. Nor I am arguing that Thor himself can hurt DOS DD physically. This is a given since superman has damage DOS DD. But my argument is that:
before Thor can land suffient enough blows (as many as superman did)
DD would have killed him. I doubt that Thor would be able to get in one move.
And I am not underestimating Thor's physical durability but only comparing it to Superman's.
If DOS DD gutted Supes then he will gut Thor too (only worse). Pure D logic.
I guess you failed to either read or comprehend forum rules. It clearly says that a feat that has been shown once or rarely is SvFL. The feat is an outlier of a character's career. SvFL is not accepted as proof on this forum. I didn't write the rules. I just try to follow them (when I know them of course). Why are you trying to reinvent your own definition of SvFL. Shame on you. SvFL has nothing to do with Spiderman. It was just named after that battle.
Originally posted by UniOmniJonn was Bloodwynd, but it was pretty much Martian Manhunter, he just had different names for powers and ways of summoning them up. All the same powers though.
Jonn was Bloodwynd, and he didn't know it, so its not like it was MM at the fight.Maxima did keep pace with him, until she set off that big bang at Citgo.
And i still don't see the speed thats supposedly leaping off the page.
No speed trails, or people unable to react.
Except for when he first rushed the League + superman.
And iirc, Superman didn't have that amp as he gets more stressed thing going for him back then, or did he jun?
And i will agree, that for the past decade or so, Hulk hasn't been the beast he once was.
The only time he gets brutal, is when he fights Abom.
Speed trails is a visual effect not every artist encompasses.
Lots of people were unable to react really. Look at how he beasted the JLA. Guy Gardner didn't even get to react. "So fast I couldn't think."
And the Supes amps as he stresses thing wasn't mentioned until recently by Dr Hamilton, the worlds' expert on Superman and Superman's DNA. But the idea is that it has been going on forever, imo. Being why Supes has always been able to league up like he does.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Personally,I think Hulk shouldn't even be part of the discussion. These guys are in a different class.
They have more available to them than just strength and healing factor.
We should be doing comparisons to characters like Kurse, Gladiator, Juggs, Count Nefarious and Perrikus.
Those are the kind of dynamic, multi-dimensional characters that could be compared to DD.
Wait, Juggernaut is now a multi-dimensional character? 😆
Originally posted by h1a8
You lose good respect when you say that Hulk and Juggernaut is more powerful than DD. Many things you said is debatable and makes some kind of sense. Except that.
Originally posted by h1a8
One can have all the powers in the universe but yet still lose. This is because they wouldn't have time to do squat. And why use Booster Gold example? Doesn't that contradict DD's other showings? Remember we are to use the best of each character's abilities. And not their low showings as examples.
That means I choose the DD that was fast enough to make no one able to react (even flash and ww).
Originally posted by h1a8
True Mjolnir can damage DOS DD. I'm not arguing that. Nor I am arguing that Thor himself can hurt DOS DD physically. This is a given since superman has damage DOS DD. But my argument is that:before Thor can land suffient enough blows (as many as superman did)
DD would have killed him. I doubt that Thor would be able to get in one move.
Originally posted by h1a8
And I am not underestimating Thor's physical durability but only comparing it to Superman's.
If DOS DD gutted Supes then he will gut Thor too (only worse). Pure D logic.
Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you failed to either read or comprehend forum rules. It clearly says that a feat that has been shown once or rarely is SvFL. The feat is an outlier of a character's career. SvFL is not accepted as proof on this forum. I didn't write the rules. I just try to follow them (when I know them of course). Why are you trying to reinvent your own definition of SvFL. Shame on you. SvFL has nothing to do with Spiderman. It was just named after that battle.
That rule is referring to feats, not powers! If Daredevil lifts an entire battle cruiser over his head, that feat would be disregarded as SMvFL, since we know DD is no where near that strong. If the Sentry were to shoot heat beams from his eyes and never again, that wouldn’t be SMvFl, but rather would tell us that it was one of his powers.
Guess what? Thor using random powers once and only once isn’t SMvFL. You can ask any one and they will tell you the same. Your whole basis for thinking otherwise is that you think for some strange reason that Thor can’t do these things, even though he has.
Here’s an example from the rules to help you understand better:
BloodlustIt is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.