Thor vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by h1a8
He has to think and then make his hammer whirl around. The process takes longer than 100 years in the mind of DD.

Buddy manhandled isn't even the word.
He pierce through Superman and Darkseid like tissue paper (and I am not exaggerating) plus his force is concentrated on a very small point (his bony protrusion). I don't see how it is arguable that it is impossible for DD to penetrate Thor's shield. I think with the evidence of all the impossible things DD has done it is more than feasible (and not outrageous as you are saying) that DD can do this. There is no proof showing that he can't. And there is evidence showing that he possibly can.

So if Thor thinks and whirls the hammer at light speed thats considered a hundred years to DD. 😕

So DD is more powerful than a 5th of the MU? 😕

In conclusion..... 😆

Originally posted by Accel
And an entire group of superheros having problems with someone Superman solos isn't taken into consideration?

It's ok I understand where your coming from. Actually when I think about it I think most of us do. 😱

Originally posted by Accel
And an entire group of superheros having problems with someone Superman solos isn't taken into consideration?

Galactus > than that entire team + THOR/SUPES/DOOMSDAY.

I'd say my example is much more believable than yours. Plus the fact that Superman didn't "solo" him. He got him at the end, and in the same circumstance...sure Thor could pull a victory as well.

1 on 1 is a different story.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Galactus > than that entire team + THOR/SUPES/DOOMSDAY.

I'd say my example is much more believable than yours. Plus the fact that Superman didn't "solo" him. He got him at the end, and in the same circumstance...sure Thor could pull a victory as well.

1 on 1 is a different story.

Overall, all Thor has to do is actually use his versatility, which really comes in handy against a brick. People keep forgeting he doesn't have to engage DD in a slugfest like Supes did.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Galactus > than that entire team + THOR/SUPES/DOOMSDAY.

I'd say my example is much more believable than yours. Plus the fact that Superman didn't "solo" him. He got him at the end, and in the same circumstance...sure Thor could pull a victory as well.

1 on 1 is a different story.

I wondering whats stopping Thor from just destroying the whole Planet itself? He could just absorb the kinetic energy from DD and then just destroy the Planet.

Originally posted by Accel
The logic is still the same- A beats B, B would beat C, therefore A would beat C.

Overall, all Thor has to do is actually use his versatility, which really comes in handy against a brick. People keep forgeting he doesn't have to engage DD in a slugfest like Supes did.

A, B, C logic is your Galactus example. I'm going by a team of varied members.

Thor likes Slugfests...remember Juggernaut? Slow, trash talker who whooped Thor with ease and needed to be BFR? DD is neither slow nor a trash talker.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I wondering whats stopping Thor from just destroying the whole Planet itself? He could just absorb the kinetic energy from DD and then just destroy the Planet.

Why would Thor destroy earth? Destroying a planet would do squat to DD and would hurt Thor a hell of a lot more...he's been hurt by far less.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A, B, C logic is your Galactus example. I'm going by a team of varied members.

Thor likes Slugfests...remember Juggernaut? Slow, trash talker who whooped Thor with ease and needed to be BFR? DD is neither slow nor a trash talker.

Thor's going to be fighting to the best of his abilities of these forums, meaning he's going to be trying out his cosmic blasts and such, not trying to see who is stronger between the two of them.

Thor survived a planetary explosion twice he is more durable enough to handle doomsday, if anything Thor is hell alot more versatile than superman. Thor can pull some much sh** out of his hat it wouldn't be funny, he called upon the purest lighting powerful enough to kill Thor and classic Mangog who was at the time a sky-father being. Thor will have a better chance against doomsday since he is more versatile and more craft with his powers.

Originally posted by Accel
ABC logic is your example as well. Y'know, the whole DD can beat this team, so he can beat Thor thing?😕
Why should DD soloing the JLA be accepted while Thor scaring Big G away be discarded?

Thor's going to be fighting to the best of his abilities of these forums, meaning he's going to be trying out his cosmic blasts and such, not trying to see who is stronger between the two of them.

Then DD who is much faster and stronger than Juggernaut and does not joke around while fighting so will beat Thor more often than not.

Anyway, I'm not in a mood for a back and forth all night so let's just agree to disagree on this one.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then DD who is much faster and stronger than Juggernaut and does not joke around while fighting so will beat Thor more often than not.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Anyway, I'm not in a mood for a back and forth all night so let's just agree to disagree on this one.

Thor can do too much stuff for DD to win.
I believe we are supposed to look at these characters at thier peak, with best case scenarios, utilizing the most potent of thier powers.
Correct?
In that case, DD does not have a chance. Thor can effect Time, Space, Mind, Soul and Evergy.
These things have been proven.
He Thor has been able to track, and move to deflect Laser attacks, as well as other energy attacks.
There is no denying his ability to observe, think and act in light/faster than light capacities.
So, that entire part of the argument should be thrown out.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Maxima, Green Lantern, Bloodwynd, Booster Gold, Ice, Fire, Blue Beetle, Supergirl.

All easily owned by Doomsday, most at the same time.

Thor would not get past all of these guys simultaneously. Maxima alone would give Thor a hell of a time. Maxima, Bloodwynd, AND GL together would beat Thor.

Even DOS DD wins 6/10.

Maxima wasn't there with the rest of the league.

She was handling business actually, then pulled the plug and let out that big bang.

Thor wouldn't beat a team of Bloodwynd and a dumb GL?? And Fire and Ice?? Really??

Let them do that full power energy blast combo on thor, and they get baked for trying.

What has Bloodwynd done of any great note??

A few charged shots from the hammer won't do the job?? Or even worse, a few charged tosses??

Thor has met and beaten Doomsdays better before.

I can't see how he won't beat Doomsday for a majority, since his stats weren't that crazy back then.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Maxima wasn't there with the rest of the league.

She was handling business actually, then pulled the plug and let out that big bang.

Thor wouldn't beat a team of Bloodwynd and a dumb GL?? And Fire and Ice?? Really??

Let them do that full power energy blast combo on thor, and they get baked for trying.

What has Bloodwynd done of any great note??

A few charged shots from the hammer won't do the job?? Or even worse, a few charged tosses??

Thor has met and beaten Doomsdays better before.

I can't see how he won't beat Doomsday for a majority, since his stats weren't that crazy back then.

Superman, Martian Manhunter, Guy Gardner dumped an entire ring charge at him, Fire, Ice, Booster Gold drained his batteries at him, etc.

And no maxima wasn't at the same time, but that's why he said MOST at the same time.

And Supes has accomplished most every feat Thor has[without nitpicking, like has Superman ever swung a hammer around and beat people with it speaking gibberish!?], beating people who appear above Doomsday, and beating Doomsday are vastly different things however.

Thor can beat Doomsday, but at the same time, anyone who can smack up Supes and the JLA can do the same to Thor.

I ken that Bloodwynd was MM, but he didn't know that at the time, iirc.

He didn't use any MM powers other than Flight, Superstrength.

Hell, he got knocked into a tank, got caught on fire and didn't wig out like Jonn would've at the time, so that should tell you he's not Jonn at heart.

Do you honestly believe that Thor couldn't handle that combined energy blast??
Or a gl who didn't do anything of note in that battle?

Or a guy who talked of spirits who failed to deliver?? He better learn from Ragman.....

Jun, do you really believe that Thor couldn't beat a Doomsday who was beaten by hit, hit more and hit harder??

For a majority??

With that big enchanted mallet that packs an uber punch when thrown hard?? Or has a variety of powers inside of it?

Originally posted by Juntai
Thor can beat Doomsday, but at the same time, anyone who can smack up Supes and the JLA can do the same to Thor.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
A, B, C logic is your Galactus example. I'm going by a team of varied members.

Thor likes Slugfests...remember Juggernaut? Slow, trash talker who whooped Thor with ease and needed to be BFR? DD is neither slow nor a trash talker.

Why would Thor destroy earth? Destroying a planet would do squat to DD and would hurt Thor a hell of a lot more...he's been hurt by far less.

Thor has survived a blast that was the equivalent to that of an exploding sun, so Thor destroying th earth or whatever planet they fight on is logical.

Whats stopping Thor from opening a portal to Hel and sending DD on a trip with Hela? Or for that matter just transmuting DD into a harmless teddy Bear? Thor could also just use anti gravity and pin DD to the sun or something to that effect. Oh yea and Thor could use an anti force blast down the gullet of DD, kind of like how he did Mangog. 😕

Thor is just too versatile and powerful for DD.

Originally posted by h1a8
People don't you know who DD is?
He eats class 100 guys for breakfast in less than seconds at the same time. Can Thor do this? Hell no!
DOS DD only went down because superman was able to last due to his durability and of the mountainous punches he was giving DD. Even if Thor can hit as hard as a non holding back Superman, I doubt he can withstand his assault for even a minute. Those bony protrusions is going to go right through him.

😆 Gold!

Originally posted by Juntai
BLoodwynd was actually Martian Manhunter, might as well just replace the name.

Would it make a difference? While he was MM he was acting at the time like he was Bloodwynd persona.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So if Thor thinks and whirls the hammer at light speed thats considered a hundred years to DD. 😕

So DD is more powerful than a 5th of the MU? 😕

In conclusion..... 😆

Show me that Thor put up a shield against a bomb that would destroy a fifth of the MU. The reason I responded to you before like that before is because I didn't catch the Universe part in MU. I was merely thinking one fifth of the characters of the MU and not one fifth of the entire universe.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has survived a blast that was the equivalent to that of an exploding sun, so Thor destroying th earth or whatever planet they fight on is logical.

Whats stopping Thor from opening a portal to Hel and sending DD on a trip with Hela? Or for that matter just transmuting DD into a harmless teddy Bear? Thor could also just use anti gravity and pin DD to the sun or something to that effect. Oh yea and Thor could use an anti force blast down the gullet of DD, kind of like how he did Mangog. 😕

Thor is just too versatile and powerful for DD.

Are you implying that DD won't go through Thor's body like tissue paper as he went through Superman's and Darkseid's?

If yes then understand this:
First, Thor is hella tough to energy. That is why he is the god of thunder. As he has shown this.
But Thor is nowhere near as durable as Superman physically. That means taking physical blows and such.

Thor simply takes too long to do anything exotic (Even though some of these feats are PIS).
DD's speed and relentlessness will keep Thor from doing anything. In one or two punches DD's fist will be stuck in Thor's head. Opening a portal and sending DD through it is unrealistic (in the comic sense). DD cannot be transmuted. To say that he can requires proof (since he has shown to be resistant to magic as well as energy). DD attacks fast and hard. Thor wouldn't see the light of day. Fight ends in 3 sec tops. Many characters that are on par in reflexes with Thor couldn't even react to DD (WW, flash, Superman, etc).
Plus Thor has been hit by super slow moving foes a billion times.

Thor has survived a blast that was the equivalent to that of an exploding sun, so Thor destroying th earth or whatever planet they fight on is logical.

Whats stopping Thor from opening a portal to Hel and sending DD on a trip with Hela? Or for that matter just transmuting DD into a harmless teddy Bear? Thor could also just use anti gravity and pin DD to the sun or something to that effect. Oh yea and Thor could use an anti force blast down the gullet of DD, kind of like how he did Mangog. 😕

Thor is just too versatile and powerful for DD.

Generally speaking, I agree: Thor is very versatile. But DD appears to have equal versatility in response to prior defeats. I noticed that in the Doomsday vs Mangog thread, DD was assigned one life only. Why? To even the playing field.

My understanding is this: DC has defined DD--over the long haul--to be undefeatable by conventional means (energy blasts, slugfest, whatever), BFR being the only real option (or the psych approach, which Supes used...but now that option's been exhausted). Like it or not (and personally, I'm Not crazy about the idea), Doomsday is Plot Device Incarnate. Thor can do a lot of things to DD...But. He. Will. Come. Back.

Although...now that I think about, here is another option that Thor, Surfer or anyone with time travel ability could use: go back in time and prevent the scientists from creating DD in the first place. He may be "beyond Death," but is Doomsday beyond Never Existing In The First Place? If so, how?