Originally posted by SoleranBy the way Cain has taken shots from Thor and they've been described as being as fast as the speed of light and they did nothing.
Cain has ZERO way to handle that much speed , show me a guy that has moved at roughly 183,000 miles per second and attacked Juggernaut, you cannot, its never happened. Juggernaut couldn't even blink before DD had him grabbed up in the air going for a ride.
Originally posted by newjak86so this doesn't get lost on the last page.
You dumbed him down really I believe you have given him great knowledge of everything.
Still with this whole 99% speed of light is that just another number your throwing out to sound impressive. Please DD can't pick jump throw him out into space he has never shown ability in order to even begin to start up something like that he would have to start spinning to gain momentum and guess what thats when Juggs will put up the shield.His evolution has always been based on being able evlove past people's attacks and even then just that form and only from dying from it.
Originally posted by newjak86
You dumbed him down really I believe you have given him great knowledge of everything.
Still with this whole 99% speed of light is that just another number your throwing out to sound impressive. Please DD can't pick jump throw him out into space he has never shown ability in order to even begin to start up something like that he would have to start spinning to gain momentum and guess what thats when Juggs will put up the shield.His evolution has always been based on being able evlove past people's attacks and even then just that form and only from dying from it.
Sometimes its just hard to put things in order for some people.
Supermans speed was at/around 99% of light speed....................he was struggling to keep up with DD..........................your straw grasping, Just like in the rules it says Flash doesn't just isntantly knock ppl out doesn't mean he cannot do it. Same with DD, bloodlusted and following the same rules he does this to Juggs.....................how do you know DD cannot do what I said its simple so simple even the Hulk got half of it right in his SLOW mode.
Learn the rules come back when you can show me Cain can handle someone as fast as DD ( we aren't even using the most evolved version.)
OK I was laid back during most of this thread, but this is just ridiculous.
First off the reason hulk was able to throw Juggernaut is because well he's Hulk. He has his own comic, and he's one of the faces at Marvel, thus people don't want to see Hulk get his neck snapped so he has to throw Juggernaut. Sure Juggernaut could just put his magic shield up, but if he did Hulk would have to die so Marvel writers allow Hulk to throw him.
Say a Marathon runner runs as fast as he can to a baby. He can probably run at about 27 mph, and the baby cant react. So he runs up picks up the baby and throws it, how fast and how far is the baby flying through the air? So because he can run up to 27 mph that doesn't mean that when he throws the baby the baby will fly through the air at 27 mph, and that doesn't mean that the baby will fly far. This means that even if DD does get there faster than the speed of light, that doesn't mean that he can make Cain fly through the air at the speed of light. Thus while flying through the air Cain can summon his shield.
You haven't proved anything, because the only way to defeat Juggernaut is by Tk, and it has been proved with scans that when determined enough he can even overcome TK.
Yes Juggernaut is slow, and thats why he has his Magic shield, to slow the inertia of things.
Originally posted by Soleran
Its TP and your associations are horrible, go work on them. They don't illustrate anything for your case with Cain.
I dont Know how else to get you to understand that just because Doomsday can move faster than the speed of light it doesn't mean that he can make Cain fly through the air at the speed of light.
Originally posted by SoleranListen your not this. Supes was fighting not flying big difference and infact when Supes met DD again he basically schooled DD in speed if I'm not mistaken. Cain has handeled people with Moderate Speed in Thor. Thor isn't really fast but slow he is not. By the way Thor isn't weak at all and the only way he could get rid of Cain was through BFR via teleportation not throwing he couldn't even budge Cain.
Sometimes its just hard to put things in order for some people.Supermans speed was at/around 99% of light speed....................he was struggling to keep up with DD..........................your straw grasping, Just like in the rules it says Flash doesn't just isntantly knock ppl out doesn't mean he cannot do it. Same with DD, bloodlusted and following the same rules he does this to Juggs.....................how do you know DD cannot do what I said its simple so simple even the Hulk got half of it right in his SLOW mode.
Learn the rules come back when you can show me Cain can handle someone as fast as DD ( we aren't even using the most evolved version.)
Its all a matter of perception if you felt you were treated like a child then well thats your thing...................................it certainly doesn't take away the fact Hulk has been able to do what I have described with far far less. As a matter of fact I have used details and avoided your sidetracking a number of times.
If you can show me where Cain has been able to handle a super speedster and strength guy like DD show me. Otherwise the details I have given as well as supported with my little picture of the Hulk toss justifies my position, where as yours is what if, that cannot happen, he wouldn't do that etc etc
I mean I am talking about a guy that took 10 years to dig out of rubble, gets caught in cement with spiderman, has xmen as main enemies, hulk tossing him as well as knocking him down as professor hulk.............................for a guy that just goes whereever there seems to be some exceptions to that rule.
What part of plot devices do you not understand? Someone already covered all those points you just brought up in the Juggernaut vs Champion thread, or did you forget?
When has Hulk ever made Juggernaut fly into the orbit? besides that when has Juggernaut ever used his shield when fighting an opponent? He doesn't because if he did he would never lose a fight. I also gave you a scan where Cannonball using super speed tried to hit Juggernaut and got knocked back from Juggernaut just standing there.
Show me a scan of a Doomsday fighting someone who really is an unstoppable unmovable being?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What part of plot devices do you not understand? Someone already covered all those points you just brought up in the Juggernaut vs Champion thread, or did you forget?When has Hulk ever made Juggernaut fly into the orbit? besides that when has Juggernaut ever used his shield when fighting an opponent? He doesn't because if he did he would never lose a fight. I also gave you a scan where Cannonball using super speed tried to hit Juggernaut and got knocked back from Juggernaut just standing there.
Show me a scan of a Doomsday fighting someone who really is an unstoppable unmovable being?
Wait show me a scan where Juggernaut had to fight someone who used their superspeed and super strength at the same time on juggernaut (I'll give you a hint cannonball isn't near a superspeedster.) I have asked for this several times now and I keep getting backlased and dodged, where is the proof?
sidestep'n isn't an answer.
Originally posted by SoleranYeah that is Juggernaut in a nut shell right.
Its all a matter of perception if you felt you were treated like a child then well thats your thing...................................it certainly doesn't take away the fact Hulk has been able to do what I have described with far far less. As a matter of fact I have used details and avoided your sidetracking a number of times.If you can show me where Cain has been able to handle a super speedster and strength guy like DD show me. Otherwise the details I have given as well as supported with my little picture of the Hulk toss justifies my position, where as yours is what if, that cannot happen, he wouldn't do that etc etc
I mean I am talking about a guy that took 10 years to dig out of rubble, gets caught in cement with spiderman, has xmen as main enemies, hulk tossing him as well as knocking him down as professor hulk.............................for a guy that just goes whereever there seems to be some exceptions to that rule.
So what your saying is that Hulk you is incredibly strong means that if he can't toss Juggs into space then DD can why becuase has speed please it still comes down to how much force your muscle can produce and speed only helps moderatly there. Punching with speed is more effective then throwing someone with speed hate to tell you that but you seem not to know this concept. So there it is if punches he has the speed but cain's body abosrb if he throws he can't get his speed behind as good both scenarios no BFR.
Cain has taken on Thor who isn't slow has gone against speedsters as well and is just strong as Supes and he couldn't do anthing to Cain like I told you before.
Yor also talking about a guy that manhandled Thor nearly beat the Hulk to Death on two occassions has been magically stripped of all his flesh and organs remaning only as bones but was still moving.
Oh yeah and who by the way when is moving can't be stopped unless that person as access to powers beyond Cyttorak of course which DD isn't even near the calibuur of a Cyttoark not even in the same concept of power.
Wait first off if I cannot clearly present my discussion the onus is on me. If you interpretted that differently then take some antisensitivty pills, seriously.
Secondly your going into detail that doesn't need to be touched. Your either doing it on purpose or you just don't understand what your doing there.
The end result of a hulk or Thor fight and juggs is moot in the conversation, it is. Secondly Juggernauts helmet came off and thats why Juggernaut flew away so who knows what would have happened and its clear Hulk isn't a speedster and he did the flinging and throwing without Juggs doing a thing. Thirdly Juggernaut doesn't have any ability to handle a powerset such as DD with his speed and strength. Hey you apparently don't understand the numbers and thats ok, just show me where Juggernaut has taken on someone as fast and strong as DD and spoke of it, because as of now I am the only guy to show you don't need to be superfast to throw juggs down, just strong and DD has both powers.
I JUST SAID THAT JUGGERNAUT TOOK A FULL POWERED SWING FROM THORS HAMMER. THIS MEANS THAT THE HAMMER IS MOVING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WITH HOUNDREDS OF TONS OF FORCE BEHIND IT. OK YOU SAID GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE AND I DID, IF YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT THAN THATS ON YOU. I DID MY PART NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO DO YOURS.
Again, I have already stated that in that comic it implies that Juggernauts durabulity derives from his shield. This however is only a one comic thing for in othet comics he has been able to take hits from Thor and many other characters without his shield.
These are all without his shield
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